What to do with people waiting to be carried in dungeons

mrtudi · July 2018

I have made 2 damage dealer characters in the past, since the mechanics attracted me very much, I've almost never had trouble in random dungeons with other people not doing their job or queuing with fake roles, so I decided "Hey, tanking looks fun, let's make a tank!" - worst decision of my life. It suddenly happens that about 95% of people never do what they are supposed to do. Especially DDs. Most people go afk at the entrance and DC after about 2-3 minutes. Damage dealers do at most just heavy attacks, if not just stand still during the fight casting invisibility over and over again, healers are usually fake healers, damage dealers with restoration staves doing light attacks. I installed combat metrics to see why dungeons went so slowly, apparently with Torug's pact and Shacklebreaker sets on heavy armor I get a stable 6k dps, out of the team damage that is usually 10k. So my question is, how can I solo carry random dungeons without fake queuing and changing my character to a damage dealer? 30 minutes for Spindleclutch 1 is getting frustrating VERY quickly.

sudaki_eso · July 2018

So my question is, how can I solo carry random dungeons without fake queuing and changing my character to a damage dealer? 30 minutes for Spindleclutch 1 is getting frustrating VERY quickly.

Run with a guild, dont pug.

YamiKuruku · July 2018

hmm personally i had the experience that vet dungeons are much more successful (or atleast i rarely stumble over bow light attack spammers and s&b dds) xD so i would say just try that but no idea how many CPs you have or how comfortable you are tanking vet stuff

If not, try to talk to the people.
Some players are really clueless and are happy for every help, if that does not work and people either ignore you or don't want to listen then try to vote kick them or leave yourself?
Nothing you can do if someone does not want to play in a team

mrtudi · July 2018

YamiKuruku wrote: »

If not, try to talk to the people.
Some players are really clueless and are happy for every help

So far only 1 person was happy to listen to how to run the dungeon.
My tank is only level 32 at the moment due to inhumanly slow dungeon running and questing, so veteran is sadly out the question.
Thank you very much for the advice though ^^.

SilverWF · July 2018

Kick or leave - what else you can do?
Teach? Talk? For free? Pfff

AcadianPaladin · July 2018

I've actually had reasonable luck/fun pugging normals. I run a CP750 templar healer who's a 'real' one but she does slot a touch more damage than pure heals for these. She actually finds it a hoot to try and keep younger/inexperienced players alive while doing a notable % of the damage herself. By slotting sweeps + channel focus, she can 'face tank' a boss all day long if she has to while still keeping up mutagen, springs, extended ritual, eledrain, shards, etc. I'm not trying to solo the dungeon; rather, trying to help my ragtagpug group survive and complete it.

That said, I don't pug normals that have mechanics that actually require coordinated mechanics to survive. That would be like herding cats - no thanks. Lol.

disintegr8 · July 2018

I assume you are talking vet dungeons, if so, don't pug.

My recent experiences are only in normals and revolve around fake tanks. Don't queue in dungeon finder as a tank if you come in with a 2 handed weapon, no taunt slotted and proceed to reverse slice/slash everything in sight.

Rehdaun · July 2018

I know it's already been said but don't run with randoms unless you have to. Run with friends and guildies. You get to complete more content at a quicker pace and have fun doing it since you all know each other.

Integral1900 · July 2018

Easy solution

Step 1: Run normals
Step 2: up your dps health to 25 to 30000 or so, easily done with heath or healing sets, even in medium armour
Step 3: slot a taunt to stop the boss wandering away
Step 4: kill stuff

Seriousely, at this point my solo builds regards pug groups as an affectionate form of hand luggage, if they ask for help or for me to slow down so they can get a quest stage then I will oblige no problem, even if they want to listen to all the dialogue, otherwise this freight train is heading for the end boss via as big a pile of dead trash mobs as possible... and no... we are not skipping any pulls

Soella · July 2018

Simple solution - but on ZOS side.

Undaunted introductory quest should be implemented as small instance. A player should dodge couple attacks, interrupt boss couple times and show DPS at least 5K - with some narrative explanations from NPC. Only after finishing such instance player can join random queues.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO · July 2018

Usually what you should do if is to leave after first boss if the group DPS is 10k. Talking to he people when they barely do 4k dps is not an option.

Don't worry there is a lot of need for tanks for vet dungeons and trials. So try to get into several dungeon&trial guilds and look for people there. They will be more than happy do dungeons with you and it will be a more pleasant experience.

As as DD there is also a similar problem where the other 3 people doing the random dungeon are fakes. It has become more and more common for lol level player to queue into a dungeon and just light attack adds so that they can get agro on them so that the experienced player can kill them and thus carry them for experience. In such cases what me and my friends do is we don't attack adds at all and just skip and focus on bosses.

Slurg · July 2018

Bring a DD friend along with you so the two of you can finish the dungeon in a timely manner regardless of what the randoms are doing? That’s what I try to do when I play a support role. Lots of people mark themselves as DD only because they’re not a tank or a healer. *

* Maybe they got yelled at too many times for queuing as a fake tank or a fake healer.

zaria · July 2018

mrtudi wrote: »

YamiKuruku wrote: »

If not, try to talk to the people.
Some players are really clueless and are happy for every help

So far only 1 person was happy to listen to how to run the dungeon.
My tank is only level 32 at the moment due to inhumanly slow dungeon running and questing, so veteran is sadly out the question.
Thank you very much for the advice though ^^.

You have been very unlucky, it tend to be so many alts and cp players doing them that they are mostly very easy.
Yes its exceptions, had one nBC2 failing on Indril as only my warden healer was doing AoE.

zaria · July 2018

Soella wrote: »

Simple solution - but on ZOS side.

Undaunted introductory quest should be implemented as small instance. A player should dodge couple attacks, interrupt boss couple times and show DPS at least 5K - with some narrative explanations from NPC. Only after finishing such instance player can join random queues.

Good idea, you have to fight some trash and an boss, perhaps have an tank and healer npc and a few scenarios.
Using AoE on lots of weak enemies, getting out of stupid, dodge and interrupt.
Could also be used for tank and healer qualification and training if it had an vet version.

Asardes · July 2018

I usually carry them if it's a normal one, or even an easier base game veteran ones (ex. CoA 1) unless they repeatedly mess up mechanics despite written and visual indication about them. If they keep messing up and dragging down the group I vote to kick and if that fails I leave the group. But even if I queue as tank I don't actually spec for it. Rather I run a full sustaining DD setup - the one I have on by default on every character and do vMA with - and slot Inner Rage. In most dungeons I even forego the latter since I can keep aggro on myself just doing damage, on average about 60% of group DPS even if I get assigned as tank, 30-35K ST in absolute terms.

As for leveling a tank I don't actually do it. Leveling as tank is painfully slow, be it random dungeons or straight grind, so it's inefficient. Rather I run a full DD setup wearing 5 light or medium and 1-2 heavy and fill my bar with 2-3 1H+S skills. This way I train HA & 1H+S skills without actually basing my build around it. Normally I do that after I hit 50 but it's doable at low levels too, provided you have unlocked a DPS skill line and a few skills. Ex. I go 2H/Bow 1/5/1, put Brawler & Rally on 2H bar and fill the rest with 1H+S and go trough the dolmen circuit in a fast area like Auridon or Deshaan. Since I do it post 50 it's usually the latter as PD & MS purples sell pretty well and the others can level jewelry crafting on other chars. Leveling 10-50 is standard DD setup in nMA - it gives tons of XP.

Sparr0w · July 2018

Asardes wrote: »

I usually carry them if it's a normal one, or even an easier base game veteran ones (ex. CoA 1) unless they repeatedly mess up mechanics despite written and visual indication about them. If they keep messing up and dragging down the group I vote to kick and if that fails I leave the group. But even if I queue as tank I don't actually spec for it. Rather I run a full sustaining DD setup - the one I have on by default on every character and do vMA with - and slot Inner Rage. In most dungeons I even forego the latter since I can keep aggro on myself just doing damage, on average about 60% of group DPS even if I get assigned as tank, 30-35K ST in absolute terms.

As for leveling a tank I don't actually do it. Leveling as tank is painfully slow, be it random dungeons or straight grind, so it's inefficient. Rather I run a full DD setup wearing 5 light or medium and 1-2 heavy and fill my bar with 2-3 1H+S skills. This way I train HA & 1H+S skills without actually basing my build around it. Normally I do that after I hit 50 but it's doable at low levels too, provided you have unlocked a DPS skill line and a few skills. Ex. I go 2H/Bow 1/5/1, put Brawler & Rally on 2H bar and fill the rest with 1H+S and go trough the dolmen circuit in a fast area like Auridon or Deshaan. Since I do it post 50 it's usually the latter as PD & MS purples sell pretty well and the others can level jewelry crafting on other chars. Leveling 10-50 is standard DD setup in nMA - it gives tons of XP.

Then just use the free respec scrolls you get from level rewards. ez pz