Zenimax, are you okay with PvP in this state?

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

https://youtu.be/9O5PPh8oYaU

Does this seem fair or healthy to you? Proc sets, undodgeable attacks, no-counterplay CCs, etc.

Is this the PvP you imagined?

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Lord-Otto · July 2018

Not only is Strider surviving several ults, some that are even a supposed counter to dodge builds, but he's constantly engaging the enemy on his own. What? You wanna nerf the enemy even more so his Rambo approach becomes viable?

oxygen_thief · July 2018

https://youtu.be/Sh7an-Y5D0c

OGLezard · July 2018

I seen nothing wrong other than someone bum rushing two people on his own and being focused down lol what are we nerfing again?
I do agree, damage proc sets are the dumbest thing ever brought to eso (certain ones), but I see nothing that screams nerf in this video tbh

Stibbons · July 2018

Rune cage is just fine. You just cannot counter it. But hesus that templar blazing spear stun was just too OP!

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Not only is Strider surviving several ults, some that are even a supposed counter to dodge builds, but he's constantly engaging the enemy on his own. What? You wanna nerf the enemy even more so his Rambo approach becomes viable?

It was a 2v2 are you implying that when fighting a magsorc you need to outnumber them for it to be a fair fight?

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

OGLezard wrote: »

I seen nothing wrong other than someone bum rushing two people on his own and being focused down lol what are we nerfing again?
I do agree, damage proc sets are the dumbest thing ever brought to eso (certain ones), but I see nothing that screams nerf in this video tbh

There was a magDK with me.

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

Stibbons wrote: »

Rune cage is just fine. You just cannot counter it. But hesus that templar blazing spear stun was just too OP!

The Templar needed nerfed back in the day, but removing the CC from shards was not one of them. That was a bad change in my opinion.

Apache_Kid · July 2018

When being hit with the templar spear throw CC does anyone else get the problem of frequently being un-able to break free and the spear dragging you around on the ground like you are on the end of a mop?

Lord-Otto · July 2018

Daus wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Not only is Strider surviving several ults, some that are even a supposed counter to dodge builds, but he's constantly engaging the enemy on his own. What? You wanna nerf the enemy even more so his Rambo approach becomes viable?

It was a 2v2 are you implying that when fighting a magsorc you need to outnumber them for it to be a fair fight?

Nah. He's jumping right into the middle of the enemy on his own and gets focused down. That's normal.

TarrNokk · July 2018

I just see bad fighters vs good fighters.

grannas211 · July 2018

looks like somebody got wrecked for charging in.....gg no re

Gilvoth · July 2018

i was in agreement with you untill you said "proc sets" as if they are a bad thing.
its not proc sets, its not the armor and weapons that are the problem, the problem is the ability to make over powered Builds, is the problem.
not the proc sets.

Minno · July 2018

What sets you using?

To be frank, I see alot of situations you are putting your toon into positions where you are either getting focused hard by two players or are trying to 1vX veteran players. And there are moments you appear to not be breaking their combos, so it looks like your toon is standing there
Just taking hits when you should be moving to force los (I do this alot too as my main mistake).

Gilvoth · July 2018

Minno wrote: »

What sets you using?

To be frank, I see alot of situations you are putting your toon into positions where you are either getting focused hard by two players or are trying to 1vX veteran players. And there are moments you appear to not be breaking their combos, so it looks like your toon is standing there
Just taking hits when you should be moving to force los (I do this alot too as my main mistake).

i agree with that comment.
looks like he was willing to use his face as a shield in some of those situations.

Lord-Otto · July 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

What sets you using?

To be frank, I see alot of situations you are putting your toon into positions where you are either getting focused hard by two players or are trying to 1vX veteran players. And there are moments you appear to not be breaking their combos, so it looks like your toon is standing there
Just taking hits when you should be moving to force los (I do this alot too as my main mistake).

i agree with that comment.
looks like he was willing to use his face as a shield in some of those situations.

OMG, first time I'm giving him an awesome. Never thought I'd see the day! Keep it up!

Minno · July 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

What sets you using?

To be frank, I see alot of situations you are putting your toon into positions where you are either getting focused hard by two players or are trying to 1vX veteran players. And there are moments you appear to not be breaking their combos, so it looks like your toon is standing there
Just taking hits when you should be moving to force los (I do this alot too as my main mistake).

i agree with that comment.
looks like he was willing to use his face as a shield in some of those situations.

I do that alot too because some players are potatoes so it gives me the illusion of tankiness and sometimes I can't get used to the GCD timer so alot of abilities don't fire off when I want them to resulting in me rushing to get another off when my attacker is already in his combo unhindered.

I think OP is using a bow, and bow's strength is in draining shot; 10 meter range cc but dirt cheap in nCP and gives you a burst heal that procs while you are on the offensive letting you stay offensive. Then again he is a nightblade who can be hard to master at times, especially when you have mostly instant cast dodgeable attacks.

Overall I want to see his sets.

CyrusArya · July 2018

Ehh. While I agree some mechanics aren’t perfectly balanced, thanks for providing video evidence of how mediocre your gameplay is. Confirmed what I always thought, just another bad stamblade that constantly dies and respawns on the forums. I can see why you struggle with sorcs so much.

Less QQ, more Pew Pew. Sorry if that comes off as mean but it’s the truth. The nightblades i play with do so well in BGs and in general. At some point you gotta really just ask yourself, if you struggle this much, is the problem with the game or the player...

usmguy1234 · July 2018

CyrusArya wrote: »

Ehh. While I agree some mechanics aren’t perfectly balanced, thanks for providing video evidence of how mediocre your gameplay is. Confirmed what I always thought, just another bad stamblade that constantly dies and respawns on the forums. I can see why you struggle with sorcs so much.

Amen and double amen.

Minno · July 2018

CyrusArya wrote: »

Ehh. While I agree some mechanics aren’t perfectly balanced, thanks for providing video evidence of how mediocre your gameplay is. Confirmed what I always thought, just another bad stamblade that constantly dies and respawns on the forums. I can see why you struggle with sorcs so much.

Less QQ, more Pew Pew. Sorry if that comes off as mean but it’s the truth. The nightblades i play with do so well in BGs and in general. At some point you gotta really just ask yourself, if you struggle this much, is the problem with the game or the player...

In his defense, he's using a controller in a game where button mapping to match your playstyle is preferred.

There are times I can feel his pain trying to rotate around with the controller paddles on console when I would have already bar swapped cancelled into a Dodge roll cancelled purge on PC.

Thogard · July 2018

It’s so hard for me to take console vids seriously. Everything just seems so slow paced. Based on the comments I was expecting to see you get instantly gibbed by the other team. Instead you just hopped around a bit and made the fatal error of trying to stack vigors with a mag DK. That’s a very unilateral relationship, and not in your favor, but I make the same mistake all the time. They just look so much like Stam players lol.

But yeah man you seem to be too used to how OP the stamblade class is. It’s still ridiculously OP, but now mag sorcs have strong offense too, so you’re gonna have to start playing like the rest of us already do. Your crutch is no longer only available to you.

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

Minno wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

What sets you using?

To be frank, I see alot of situations you are putting your toon into positions where you are either getting focused hard by two players or are trying to 1vX veteran players. And there are moments you appear to not be breaking their combos, so it looks like your toon is standing there
Just taking hits when you should be moving to force los (I do this alot too as my main mistake).

i agree with that comment.
looks like he was willing to use his face as a shield in some of those situations.

I do that alot too because some players are potatoes so it gives me the illusion of tankiness and sometimes I can't get used to the GCD timer so alot of abilities don't fire off when I want them to resulting in me rushing to get another off when my attacker is already in his combo unhindered.

I think OP is using a bow, and bow's strength is in draining shot; 10 meter range cc but dirt cheap in nCP and gives you a burst heal that procs while you are on the offensive letting you stay offensive. Then again he is a nightblade who can be hard to master at times, especially when you have mostly instant cast dodgeable attacks.

Overall I want to see his sets.

So for starters you'll see me cast Dark Cloak quite often; this is on my bow bar for a reason. My bow's trait is defending, and my 2-piece is blood spawn. Considering the fact that I'm a Nord that gives me 27k on my bow bar when BS is proc'd on top of 6% mitigation (Nord), 8% (minor protection), and 15% from minor maim.

I am not built to be a glass cannon. My 5 pieces are Hundings and Bone Pirate.

usmguy1234 · July 2018

Thogard wrote: »

It’s so hard for me to take console vids seriously. Everything just seems so slow paced. Based on the comments I was expecting to see you get instantly gibbed by the other team. Instead you just hopped around a bit and made the fatal error of trying to stack vigors with a mag DK. That’s a very unilateral relationship, and not in your favor, but I make the same mistake all the time. They just look so much like Stam players lol.

But yeah man you seem to be too used to how OP the stamblade class is. It’s still ridiculously OP, but now mag sorcs have strong offense too, so you’re gonna have to start playing like the rest of us already do. Your crutch is no longer only available to you.

Dk should go in with wings or mist to try to root one of the sorcs for the nightblade to focus on. Looks like they are either afraid to engage or don't know how to. Agree 100% with the crutch statement.

Irylia · July 2018

1. Using dark cloak as a heal? Use the other morph for invisibility which just sheds damage as a whole from you allowing your hots to work
2. Utilize shade to port back or around los when you start taking heavy damage especially soul assault.
3. Use mirage with the minor res buff so you can at least dodge some of the attacks.
4. Since wearing heavy wear a set with a line of hp and potentially tri glyphs + gold food (mag/Stam/hp gen + max hp) example ravager 2h 3x body TK/bs 2x helm 3x 2x body hulking or bone pirate (camoran drink + mag gen enchant/mundus) the. Master bow infused w/ beserk enchant.

5. Dip between los consistently to break incoming damage
6. Combos. Heavy incap surprise attack execute should all be done relatively close together with animation cancels. Pop an immov before the combo so you don’t get stunned.

I do agree soul assault/calurions/sload/zaan/rune cage are all overtuned.

Rc has an awkward delay and no counterplay I’d rather have frag stun back.

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

Thogard wrote: »

It’s so hard for me to take console vids seriously. Everything just seems so slow paced. Based on the comments I was expecting to see you get instantly gibbed by the other team. Instead you just hopped around a bit and made the fatal error of trying to stack vigors with a mag DK. That’s a very unilateral relationship, and not in your favor, but I make the same mistake all the time. They just look so much like Stam players lol.

But yeah man you seem to be too used to how OP the stamblade class is. It’s still ridiculously OP, but now mag sorcs have strong offense too, so you’re gonna have to start playing like the rest of us already do. Your crutch is no longer only available to you.

My medium armor no-cloak play style has never been OP.

LegendaryMage · July 2018

That dwemer sphere pissed you off real bad I see.

I'll try and help you a little bit, you might not like what you read, but it's what you need to hear. So listen carefully:

Lesson No.1; Unload your hardest hitters on players exclusively.

Lesson No.2; If you're in a position to do so, without risking too much, bash engine guardian real quick. Never chase the sphere, it's not a bone and you're not a dog.

Lesson No.3; Start using Draining Shot.

Like right now, as soon as you read this and next time you log onto that character, first thing you're going to do is slot it on your bow bar.

Take out whatever useless skill(s) you're running and put this one. I'm too lazy to watch the video again so you decide. Then practice to use it any time you're even getting close to 50% hp. You can thank me later.

Lesson No.4; Don't post videos of yourself getting rekt in stupid ways unless you're doing a fun montage of some sort. There's no point otherwise. You're wasting your time, and more importantly - mine.

Have fun and good luck.

Killset · July 2018

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Not only is Strider surviving several ults, some that are even a supposed counter to dodge builds, but he's constantly engaging the enemy on his own. What? You wanna nerf the enemy even more so his Rambo approach becomes viable?

It was a 2v2 are you implying that when fighting a magsorc you need to outnumber them for it to be a fair fight?

Nah. He's jumping right into the middle of the enemy on his own and gets focused down. That's normal.

That’s called melee. And jumping in is your only hope. Are you supposed to range Sorcs lol?

CyrusArya · July 2018

Minno wrote: »

In his defense, he's using a controller in a game where button mapping to match your playstyle is preferred.

There are times I can feel his pain trying to rotate around with the controller paddles on console when I would have already bar swapped cancelled into a Dodge roll cancelled purge on PC.

It’s not just the mechanics of his play. First of all, he is playing a stamblade without cloak. I don’t even need to use the heal morph to understand how mediocre that skill is just reading the tool tip- especially in comparison.. Secondly, he knows the opposition is cheesing soul assault and he elects to constantly commit to the same approach in the fight (run up, do mediocre damage, and then get evaporated) over and over. Which, incidentally, wouldn’t happen if he ran the right morph of cloak.

Are some mechanics lame? Yeah. Soul assault sucks. Rune cage is overtuned. I have never disputed this. But this guy is literally running an illogical, gimped build then playing it poorly. Instead of adjusting to the situation at hand, he runs head first into a losing match up over and over again expecting different results and then starts qqing. And tbh, I’m pretty sure this is the case for most people who come to whine on he forums. People pinning blame for their own bad decision making and gameplay on mechanics instead of trying to actually improve. Well, I personally don’t think any game or product period should be designed around incompetence.

Thogard · July 2018

CyrusArya wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

In his defense, he's using a controller in a game where button mapping to match your playstyle is preferred.

There are times I can feel his pain trying to rotate around with the controller paddles on console when I would have already bar swapped cancelled into a Dodge roll cancelled purge on PC.

It’s not just the mechanics of his play. First of all, he is playing a stamblade without cloak. I don’t even need to use the heal morph to understand how mediocre that skill is just reading the tool tip- especially in comparison.. Secondly, he knows the opposition is cheesing soul assault and he elects to constantly commit to the same approach in the fight (run up, do mediocre damage, and then get evaporated) over and over. Which, incidentally, wouldn’t happen if he ran the right morph of cloak.

Are some mechanics lame? Yeah. Soul assault sucks. Rune cage is overtuned. I have never disputed this. But this guy is literally running an illogical, gimped build then playing it poorly. Instead of adjusting to the situation at hand, he runs head first into a losing match up over and over again expecting different results and then starts qqing. And tbh, I’m pretty sure this is the case for most people who come to whine on he forums. People pinning blame for their own bad decision making and gameplay on mechanics instead of trying to actually improve. Well, I personally don’t think any game or product period should be designed around incompetence.

Sorc main detected.

Or should I say triple sorc main?

I didn’t know sorcs could also spec in dropping truth bombs. Just one more thing to nerf I guess.

Strider__Roshin · July 2018

CyrusArya wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

In his defense, he's using a controller in a game where button mapping to match your playstyle is preferred.

There are times I can feel his pain trying to rotate around with the controller paddles on console when I would have already bar swapped cancelled into a Dodge roll cancelled purge on PC.

It’s not just the mechanics of his play. First of all, he is playing a stamblade without cloak. I don’t even need to use the heal morph to understand how mediocre that skill is just reading the tool tip- especially in comparison.. Secondly, he knows the opposition is cheesing soul assault and he elects to constantly commit to the same approach in the fight (run up, do mediocre damage, and then get evaporated) over and over. Which, incidentally, wouldn’t happen if he ran the right morph of cloak.

Are some mechanics lame? Yeah. Soul assault sucks. Rune cage is overtuned. I have never disputed this. But this guy is literally running an illogical, gimped build then playing it poorly. Instead of adjusting to the situation at hand, he runs head first into a losing match up over and over again expecting different results and then starts qqing. And tbh, I’m pretty sure this is the case for most people who come to whine on he forums. People pinning blame for their own bad decision making and gameplay on mechanics instead of trying to actually improve. Well, I personally don’t think any game or product period should be designed around incompetence.

I posted this video because it does a great job illustrating what's wrong with PvP: damaging proc sets, Rune Cage, and hard hitting undodgeable abilities (Curse, and SA are the examples in the video). You think this was an isolated occurrence that made me rage quit and then immediately create a post on it? No. This kind of scenario happens more often than not, and I decided that I wanted to make a post on it. I didn't have to play that many matches before I could find a good clip to show as an example. It took me two matches to be precise.