idk wrote: »

Joining a guild with active players is your best bet. The types of people you occasionally find in GF that kick other when little issue has been displayed, as you describe, are not exactly the best players to begin with. They just tend to blame others for their short comings.

I’ve been joining guilds for a long time now and they, more times than not, tend to be elitists about who they run group content with as well. If I’m very lucky, I get included. But most times ignored when I say I am available to join a dungeon when they ask for people in guild chat. I’ve never had the opportunity to do a trial and on a rare occasion can do a vet dungeon with guild members. They have their fancy gear, so why help others get theirs as well?

I have never been kicked, but my secret is I'm the tank. The thing about tanking is expectations seem pretty uniform so choosing a build is easy. So long as I show up with a reasonable build, it is really easy for a tank to take correction and adjust how they handle a boss. Form my perspective, though I really can't say, it is much harder for a DPS to change their rotation on the spot. Then again, it is possible that the people with low DPS also have poorly chosen gear sets for what they are doing.

I have been in some groups with incompetent players. Still, I always say no to votes to kick until we discuss it in chat like reasonable people. I remember booting a DPS who came was rocking a s&b and spamming taunts -- which we discussed with them first in chat. I messaged them afterwards to explain why I agree to the kick after initially not agreeing--his problem was not something he would be able to remedy on the spot. Another time our group kicked someone who never responded when we tried to talk to them about not standing in the red when the big snake is healing (we just completed the dungeon with 3 people when they were gone). Eventually, another person who kept healing a boss because they couldn't figure out how to CC break left on their own after we repeated what needed to be done without any insults--though with our frustration clear.

I don't think I have ever agreed to kick anyone for just sucking without it being clear that they were going to keep the group from progressing, like the person who would die on the platform every time on non-hm vet Valkyn Skoria and their corpse would always be left nowhere near a platform, making attempts to rez suicide missions. When they were rezzed, they would just die again immediately on the next platform (vampire?). We wiped over and over with that person on a boss that just melts in HM when I am with a strong group. While someone might argue we should have accepted the challenge of clearing it with a weak player, that is equivalent to expecting us to carry them when they have already shown they are dead weight.

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

When I'm in a group with someone and it's a DLC dungeon I'll watch how you play. I could care less what your CP is; if all you're doing is spamming snipe, heavy attack or endless fury I'll kick you if it's a DLC dungeon. A lot of people come on here to bash people for getting kicked, but unless you post a video of the run I'm going to assume that you deserved it.

Nah, I wouldn’t say the deserve it, JUST because they got kicked. I ONLY do vet dungeons with pals. Though, sometimes we’ll do a random normal and pick a pug and vote and kick them immediately. We just used them to get in the dungeon lol.

I just think you shouldn’t take the actions of total strangers to heart, like it’s a reflection of YOUR skill or something. They could have kicked you just to kick you.

Yes, it is true that people shouldn't take to heart that some players are toxic. But they have every right to rant about people like that. People aren't upset because their skill was judged. People are pissed because they waited in queue and then ended up booted by toxic players who think other people are there to serve their purposes.

It is disturbing that out of 3 people, no one had enough of a conscience to object.

Perhaps they really need to let people know who kicked them so that we can block toxic players and never be matched with them.

zaria wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Max you CP that is ZOS response no pain no gain. Grabs those EXP scrollz... Store aint there for nothing...

And when, pray tell, do normal people have all this time? I'm only level 27 in regular play and I've been at it for 2 weeks, 3 hours a day! And it slows down after 50! Oye! I'll never get another character up in the 100's of CPs! Never!

Me so sad now...

Getting from 50 up to cp160 is fast

Kuwhar wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Joining a guild with active players is your best bet. The types of people you occasionally find in GF that kick other when little issue has been displayed, as you describe, are not exactly the best players to begin with. They just tend to blame others for their short comings.

Agreed. Part if it probably has to do with the anonymity.

Most players you meet in GF you'll never see again, and if you do, you prob wont remember.

Do it with guild members (even ones you dont know at all) and they are almost guaranteed to be patient and chillllll.

And id venture to say thats because if they act like d bags, you can call them out in guild chat (never had to but just the threat of it must have an effect)

This, note that d bags are very rare, only ran into them a few times in hundreds of pugs.
More of an problems in pugs is that people quit after a few wipes as you say if group is struggling on early bosses its likely to fail or take to long.

And vDLC is not very pugable, has done it a couple of times

I've pugged the 2 IC dungeons and the 2 hist dungeons on vet as a tank. I think we did WGT in HM once, but I don't think the others were.

There can be a bit of party turnover as people are either overmatched, frustrated with slow progress, or kicked. But there are also times when I get a clearly experienced group and we just melt everything with ease.

I haven't actually queued for vet for the other 4 DLC dungeons yet. I'll probably continue to go in release order. I've only been doing dungeons regularly since last month, but I'm feeling pretty confident now. I always open a guide on a second monitor since there is a good chance some people won't be familiar when the dungeon is their random. I sometimes wonder though if some people didn't even bother trying normal first, which I always do for DLC dungeons.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Why are you so interested in watching other people in the dungeon? Shouldn't you be fighting/healing/tanking? When I'm in a dungeon, I'm too busy to "watch" other people.

That's what raid awareness is: Being able to pay attention to your surroundings and not tunnel vision. It's part of what makes a good player.

I have never done a dungeon that i have not pugged. Sometimes people just are sour grapes.

I got kicked from banished .. i was doing 60+ percent of group dps. Lmao. No way they ever finished

Humans are scum... Still don't get why people are shocked at that..

DanteYoda wrote: »

Humans are scum... Still don't get why people are shocked at that..

This one agree, Dominion has few humans who is nice. Still has the snobby Altmer and weird Bosmer.

There are several reasons to get kicked from a dungeon. Lemme recap some:

• You are being carried.
• Your CP is too low.
• Your CP is too high. Yea some people wanna enjoy the run and dont like if you kill it all in few seconds.
• You don't know the mechanics.
• You don't know how to play.
• You are PvP and spam one skill all the time.
• You are not tank/heal.
• You are a c*nt.

But let's face it, if N-1 people all agree, that's democracy. Live with it.

Kalgert wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Where did I say that I have that expectation?

Your attitude pretty much implied it.

Daus still didn't say it though. Both you and DenMoria are the ones with attitude here, putting words in his mouth and shaming him for being able to multitask. He's also correct. It's called Raid Awareness. Sorry you've yet to learn that ability.

Anyway, back on topic. I agree with Aisle9... Hard to respond to OP when so much vital information has been left out. Whether OP did that intentionally or not is up for debate.

Haquor wrote: »

Been doing pledges lately on nothing but tanks cause its quick.

If the group goes well i offer to dps with a taunt. Its fine in moat vet dungeons if people are relatively on point. But i am always prepared to main tank.

Today i was tanking and only heals i was recieving was dragon blood and it was getting annoying. I messaged the healer and he was like.. sorry i cant heal. Some dude selected healer so he got in the group quickly for the pledge with no intention of healing and no resto.

THAT *** pisses me right off.

Urgh, why..... That right there would be an insta-kick from me.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »

Haquor wrote: »

Today i was tanking and only heals i was recieving was dragon blood and it was getting annoying. I messaged the healer and he was like.. sorry i cant heal. Some dude selected healer so he got in the group quickly for the pledge with no intention of healing and no resto.

THAT *** pisses me right off.

But... there is a H U G E but here.

Many people who experience this DO NOT disagree. Not always they are able to complete the dungeon. They prefer to wipe over and over and let it half done, wasting time, rather than kicking that cheater. You can see that because lately more often than not votes do not pass.

This is a widely accepted practice. In fact, we should all have the three roles selected. This would make wait time more or less equal since everyone can be anything.

Sometimes you have fake with friend, yes this work if you can faceroll it has done it farming normals.
Still if you do this with an pug you can expect squeezy players who need support in an normal.
In vet its not acceptable, also pretty rare in my experience.
Tanks who don't know mechanic or healers staying to much on their destro staff and always OOM is more common and can usually be fixed.