PVP Tier List for 1vX Cyrodiil (Opinion)
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Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭It's funny how is rating his main class lower than others lol
But let's get to the tier list:
S tier: Stam NB /Stam Warden
A tier: Mag sorc / Mag NB
B tier: Stam Sorc
C tier: Stam Templar/Mag DK
D tier: Stam DK/Mag Templar
F tier: Mag Warden2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mag NBs can use cloak to force a miss on ranged attacks like lethal arrow. Sorcs can kinda do it with bolt escape if they pick the bad morph, but even then, they can’t spam it. Sorc would need to rely on LOSing to avoid the spam of ranged attacks that is such a frequent occurrence in 1vX, but sorc has no snare removal ability and falls short. The most successful 1vX sorc builds I’ve seen make up for it with gratuitous use of mines and LoSing inside of their attro, but that isn’t a sustainable strategy IMO.
I just know what I see, I don’t try to 1vX on either. I’m a Stam boi, what can I say lol.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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the_broo11✭✭✭Someone looking to primarily 1vX and solo should look at the S tier classes first. The magsorc and magblade discussion isn't really viable as the disparity between them is very small. Magsorc, in my opinion, is just barely in B tier.
Neither of these classes are going to be your go-to solo pvp class in any case.
Bad advice, IMO. Someone looking to 1vX and solo should look into how they can master whatever class they are most comfortable with.
As you noted earlier, 1vx against equally skilled opponents can happen, but you must be able to capitalize on the window of opportunity within a fraction of a second. That doesn't happen when you're still learning your bar setup.
If you're talking about packing up noobs, it doesn't matter what class you're running. If you're comfortable with your setup, then you'll win 9 out of 10 times anyways (-1 for lag, which is often the biggest enemy).Xbox One NA
GT: the broo11
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »I've played mag sorc for 4 years
It's at it's peak right now.
true but really is it the best class, or one of the best? Come on.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »I've played mag sorc for 4 years
It's at it's peak right now.
true but really is it the best class, or one of the best? Come on.
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✭✭Lul. Magsorcs are heavily overperforming. Definitely better than magblades for 1vX and better than stamsorcs too.Edited by Ectheliontnacil on June 13, 2018 2:11PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Lul. Magsorcs are heavily overperforming. Definitely better than magblades for 1vX and better than stamsorcs too.
Strongly disagree, the Mageblade meta builds are stronger than Sorc meta builds. The problem is many mageblade a refuse to run meta2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mag sorc might not be at the top of 1vX but it is now one of the top Xv1 classes lolPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭Should swap magblade and mag sorc as of summerset patchFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info3 -
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I've played mag sorc for 4 years
It's at it's peak right now.
true but really is it the best class, or one of the best? Come on.
One of, definitely
I think that mSorc has certainly been the most consistent class in terms of relative power. It has not gone up and down much over the years, especially since 1.6. Counter example: mDK, which has fluctuated vastly in terms of power.Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Lul. Magsorcs are heavily overperforming. Definitely better than magblades for 1vX and better than stamsorcs too.
Strongly disagree, the Mageblade meta builds are stronger than Sorc meta builds. The problem is many mageblade a refuse to run meta
Heavy Durok's + Sload's??
What is "meta" on mNB? Genuinely curious.Edited by Ishammael on June 13, 2018 5:20PM0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »I've played mag sorc for 4 years
It's at it's peak right now.
true but really is it the best class, or one of the best? Come on.
One of, definitely
I think that mSorc has certainly been the most consistent class in terms of relative power. It has not gone up and down much over the years, especially since 1.6. Counter example: mDK, which has fluctuated vastly in terms of power.Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Lul. Magsorcs are heavily overperforming. Definitely better than magblades for 1vX and better than stamsorcs too.
Strongly disagree, the Mageblade meta builds are stronger than Sorc meta builds. The problem is many mageblade a refuse to run meta
Heavy Durok's + Sload's??
What is "meta" on mNB? Genuinely curious.
If by meta you mean what build is most popular for magblade right now it's destro ultimate and vicious death. The dueling meta is a little a little different most dueling builds use light armor and build an absurd amount of damage and used skoria and flame clench as a CC. There really is no solo open world magblade meta at least on Xbox because there are so few magblades who play solo PvP, they spend most of their time dueling. Most solo players you encounter in cyrodiil play either stamblade, Stamden or mag sorc.0 -
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✭My opinion for the mag sorc magblade debate is mag sorc has always been better for solo PvP. The reason being is every weakness mag sorc has magblade also has as well as alot more overall counters to the class, and magblades strengths start to diminish once you start to get outnumbered. One strength of magblade is the ability to control you opponent. this is what magblade so strong in duels crippling grasp is broken when combined with shade in a 1v1 situation, but 1vX crippling grasp is just kind of meh. Next is magblades inherent weakness to mag dks. Almost every group runs with one or two mag dks and Xv1 they just completely shut you down. Mark Target is also a hard counter to magblades in Xv1 situations. Shield breaker, Oblivion damage soft counters to magblade. The new sloads set counters magblade more than any other class shutting down both it's main defenses. No class has as many counters. It's just easy to get put on your back foot and bursted as a magblade and this is the reason you don't see anyone playing the class solo. Heavy armor can mitigate a lot of these problems as well as playing argonian both of which can allow you to use hots as your main defense which is harder to counter than Cloak and one damage shield. My main problem with this is that there aren't many good heavy armor Magicka sets basically making me choose between a combination of julianos, axiom, and either riposte or desert rose as sustain sets. and the weakness to snare and roots are still very prevalent in heavy armor. Maybe even worse. Most of the best magblade sets are light armor4 -
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It was just a trend and a funny way to start my comment,but I think you're (1)magsorc or (2)magdk
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It was just a trend and a funny way to start my comment,but I think you're (1)magsorc or (2)magdk
Definitely a mag sorc. He didn’t post in PvP until sloads became a thing.
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✭While I have multiple PVP
It was just a trend and a funny way to start my comment,but I think you're (1)magsorc or (2)magdk
Definitely a mag sorc. He didn’t post in PvP until sloads became a thing.
I have a mag sorc but I also have a lot of other PVP characters. I usually heal.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭1vX against say 3 equal people doesn't make sense right?
But 1vX against 3 lesser equipped, skilled, whatever, does
I think that's the disconnect. Of course I shouldn't be able to beat @Lexxypwns @Minno and @Thogard alone but I should be able to destroy "play as I want" resto fire rune spammer A, B, and C3 -
KingKayanto✭✭✭Why don't you separate the tier lists based on game mode? I bet you could make a separate list for BGs, one for small scale roaming and one for larger scale zerg combat.
Just my two cents here, I'm a complete noob in ESO still but it seems you never really agree on anything....Battlegrounds Masochist
Magsorc: Robot Wizard
StamDK: Dragon Bruh
StamNB: Mr Meow Meow Meow0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »1vX against say 3 equal people doesn't make sense right?
But 1vX against 3 lesser equipped, skilled, whatever, does
I think that's the disconnect. Of course I shouldn't be able to beat @Lexxypwns @Minno and @Thogard alone but I should be able to destroy "play as I want" resto fire rune spammer A, B, and C
depends where you fight those 3 and the context.
If I have 3 good players following me in cyro, then I consider that a win because those 3 aren't pug-smashing in open cyro.
Same for BGs, if 3 good players are focusing me, I may not be able to do anything less than defending but my 3 other teammates are running hitting objectives.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Dillpat✭✭✭S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: magsorc, Stamplar
C Tier: MagDK, StamDK
D Tier: MagDen, Magplar
EDIT 1: Adjusted Magplar to C Tier after careful consideration. A great group class but just not good for 1vX.
EDIT 2: Adjusted StamDK to C Tier.
plz exsplain how a stamplar is on the same level as a mag sorc when:
- it has no spamable burst heal unlike how healing ward works- rally has a wind up time of about 6-8 seconds to get a decently sized heal out of it and vigor is also a ticking skil.
- no direct dmg mitigation skill unlike a sorc does with harness and harden. yes they can cleanse dots but this does not save them from straight high dmg hits and while sorc has to run light but gets shields out of it meaning they can't be crit and resistances don't matter as much, in med straight high dmg hits exceptionally hard.
- no native speed buts unlike how a sorc gets stream which also functions as a mitigation skill due to either using the absorb morph or being able to block and roll while in streak. it is also a stun which alleviates pressure. where is stamplars equivalent to steak? not even using a speed buff such as the psijic one or rapids even comes anywhere near to how good streak is.
- Stamplars need to use shuffle for snare immunity to get all 2.5 seconds of it while other stam classes can use forward momentum which gives 8 seconds of immunity and has a fraction of the cost.
- Sorc literally have access to more skills while in combat due to the 3rd bar overload AND ability to slot an ult on this bar meaning they are not as restricted on bar space as a templar
- Rune cage + meteor is an undodgeable and super strong combo. Stamplar cna get nice combos with dbos and potl but not only can this be telegraphed by the potl timer and visial animation but dbos can easily bug out and miss even when you are ontop of the enemy while rune cage cc goes through block and roll? where is templars cc to let them cc through block or roll?
-Sorc get a skill which directly counters CQC builds. mines will stop a stam user in their tracks. what is templars counter to mag or stam? yes they can cleanse dots but most stamplars will have between 9-12k mag which comes to 3 cleanses in 1 pool and dont run high mag recovery and mag dots only really effect mag dks but you can re-apply the dots when a stamplar cant keep cleansing them.
Every other stam class bar stamblade and stam dk has a spamable class native heal. Stamblade is able to get crit vigor ticks and rally ticks with ease and stam dk gets healing back when they use an ult and has crazy ult gen. (stamplar can only make 3 ult every 6 seconds via the 1 skill in dawns wrath which has a stamina morph)
Where are stamplars sustain skills? Mag sorc has regen and reduce cost passives and dark exchange. Stamplar gets 1 passive which gives less sustain and less dmg but considerable amounts. Sorc also get lich which gives insane regen on its own. Stamina as a whole has nothing like lich
IDK how you came to the interpretation that Stamplar = Mag sorc and > DKs. mag sorc should be top tier.
Magplar can do everything a stamplar can do but can cleanse more, has minor magicka steal and access to sets like lich, amberplasm and transmutation oh and ofc has not only a burst heal but can viably use more than just 1 skill in the dawn's wrath line
S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade, Mag sorc
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: Mag dk, Stam DK
C Tier: Magplar
D Tier: MagDen, Stamplar@Dillpaat PC EU/NA
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✭S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: magsorc, Stamplar
C Tier: MagDK, StamDK
D Tier: MagDen, Magplar
EDIT 1: Adjusted Magplar to C Tier after careful consideration. A great group class but just not good for 1vX.
EDIT 2: Adjusted StamDK to C Tier.
plz exsplain how a stamplar is on the same level as a mag sorc when:
- it has no spamable burst heal unlike how healing ward works- rally has a wind up time of about 6-8 seconds to get a decently sized heal out of it and vigor is also a ticking skil.
- no direct dmg mitigation skill unlike a sorc does with harness and harden. yes they can cleanse dots but this does not save them from straight high dmg hits and while sorc has to run light but gets shields out of it meaning they can't be crit and resistances don't matter as much, in med straight high dmg hits exceptionally hard.
- no native speed buts unlike how a sorc gets stream which also functions as a mitigation skill due to either using the absorb morph or being able to block and roll while in streak. it is also a stun which alleviates pressure. where is stamplars equivalent to steak? not even using a speed buff such as the psijic one or rapids even comes anywhere near to how good streak is.
- Stamplars need to use shuffle for snare immunity to get all 2.5 seconds of it while other stam classes can use forward momentum which gives 8 seconds of immunity and has a fraction of the cost.
- Sorc literally have access to more skills while in combat due to the 3rd bar overload AND ability to slot an ult on this bar meaning they are not as restricted on bar space as a templar
- Rune cage + meteor is an undodgeable and super strong combo. Stamplar cna get nice combos with dbos and potl but not only can this be telegraphed by the potl timer and visial animation but dbos can easily bug out and miss even when you are ontop of the enemy while rune cage cc goes through block and roll? where is templars cc to let them cc through block or roll?
-Sorc get a skill which directly counters CQC builds. mines will stop a stam user in their tracks. what is templars counter to mag or stam? yes they can cleanse dots but most stamplars will have between 9-12k mag which comes to 3 cleanses in 1 pool and dont run high mag recovery and mag dots only really effect mag dks but you can re-apply the dots when a stamplar cant keep cleansing them.
Every other stam class bar stamblade and stam dk has a spamable class native heal. Stamblade is able to get crit vigor ticks and rally ticks with ease and stam dk gets healing back when they use an ult and has crazy ult gen. (stamplar can only make 3 ult every 6 seconds via the 1 skill in dawns wrath which has a stamina morph)
Where are stamplars sustain skills? Mag sorc has regen and reduce cost passives and dark exchange. Stamplar gets 1 passive which gives less sustain and less dmg but considerable amounts. Sorc also get lich which gives insane regen on its own. Stamina as a whole has nothing like lich
IDK how you came to the interpretation that Stamplar = Mag sorc and > DKs. mag sorc should be top tier.
Magplar can do everything a stamplar can do but can cleanse more, has minor magicka steal and access to sets like lich, amberplasm and transmutation oh and ofc has not only a burst heal but can viably use more than just 1 skill in the dawn's wrath line
S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade, Mag sorc
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: Mag dk, Stam DK
C Tier: Magplar
D Tier: MagDen, Stamplar
Stopped reading at sorc having a burst heal. Lol.0 -
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✭✭✭✭S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: magsorc, Stamplar
C Tier: MagDK, StamDK
D Tier: MagDen, Magplar
EDIT 1: Adjusted Magplar to C Tier after careful consideration. A great group class but just not good for 1vX.
EDIT 2: Adjusted StamDK to C Tier.
plz exsplain how a stamplar is on the same level as a mag sorc when:
- it has no spamable burst heal unlike how healing ward works- rally has a wind up time of about 6-8 seconds to get a decently sized heal out of it and vigor is also a ticking skil.
- no direct dmg mitigation skill unlike a sorc does with harness and harden. yes they can cleanse dots but this does not save them from straight high dmg hits and while sorc has to run light but gets shields out of it meaning they can't be crit and resistances don't matter as much, in med straight high dmg hits exceptionally hard.
- no native speed buts unlike how a sorc gets stream which also functions as a mitigation skill due to either using the absorb morph or being able to block and roll while in streak. it is also a stun which alleviates pressure. where is stamplars equivalent to steak? not even using a speed buff such as the psijic one or rapids even comes anywhere near to how good streak is.
- Stamplars need to use shuffle for snare immunity to get all 2.5 seconds of it while other stam classes can use forward momentum which gives 8 seconds of immunity and has a fraction of the cost.
- Sorc literally have access to more skills while in combat due to the 3rd bar overload AND ability to slot an ult on this bar meaning they are not as restricted on bar space as a templar
- Rune cage + meteor is an undodgeable and super strong combo. Stamplar cna get nice combos with dbos and potl but not only can this be telegraphed by the potl timer and visial animation but dbos can easily bug out and miss even when you are ontop of the enemy while rune cage cc goes through block and roll? where is templars cc to let them cc through block or roll?
-Sorc get a skill which directly counters CQC builds. mines will stop a stam user in their tracks. what is templars counter to mag or stam? yes they can cleanse dots but most stamplars will have between 9-12k mag which comes to 3 cleanses in 1 pool and dont run high mag recovery and mag dots only really effect mag dks but you can re-apply the dots when a stamplar cant keep cleansing them.
Every other stam class bar stamblade and stam dk has a spamable class native heal. Stamblade is able to get crit vigor ticks and rally ticks with ease and stam dk gets healing back when they use an ult and has crazy ult gen. (stamplar can only make 3 ult every 6 seconds via the 1 skill in dawns wrath which has a stamina morph)
Where are stamplars sustain skills? Mag sorc has regen and reduce cost passives and dark exchange. Stamplar gets 1 passive which gives less sustain and less dmg but considerable amounts. Sorc also get lich which gives insane regen on its own. Stamina as a whole has nothing like lich
IDK how you came to the interpretation that Stamplar = Mag sorc and > DKs. mag sorc should be top tier.
Magplar can do everything a stamplar can do but can cleanse more, has minor magicka steal and access to sets like lich, amberplasm and transmutation oh and ofc has not only a burst heal but can viably use more than just 1 skill in the dawn's wrath line
S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade, Mag sorc
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: Mag dk, Stam DK
C Tier: Magplar
D Tier: MagDen, Stamplar
Seems like a stamplar main who isn’t as good as he thinks he is3 -
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✭✭✭S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade, Mag sorc
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: Mag dk, Stam DK
C Tier: Magplar
D Tier: MagDen, Stamplar
Yes, it pretty inaccurate to put stamplar as being equal to mag sorc. But it’s even more idiotic to put it at the lowest tier with magden, lmao. Stamplar is solidly middle of the pack.
TBH, I think I dislike bad players who complain about my own class even more than bad players of other classes complaining about my class. All you do is invalidate and dilute the actually relevant criticism.1 -
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✭✭S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: magsorc, Stamplar
C Tier: MagDK, StamDK
D Tier: MagDen, Magplar
EDIT 1: Adjusted Magplar to C Tier after careful consideration. A great group class but just not good for 1vX.
EDIT 2: Adjusted StamDK to C Tier.
plz exsplain how a stamplar is on the same level as a mag sorc when:
- it has no spamable burst heal unlike how healing ward works- rally has a wind up time of about 6-8 seconds to get a decently sized heal out of it and vigor is also a ticking skil.
- no direct dmg mitigation skill unlike a sorc does with harness and harden. yes they can cleanse dots but this does not save them from straight high dmg hits and while sorc has to run light but gets shields out of it meaning they can't be crit and resistances don't matter as much, in med straight high dmg hits exceptionally hard.
- no native speed buts unlike how a sorc gets stream which also functions as a mitigation skill due to either using the absorb morph or being able to block and roll while in streak. it is also a stun which alleviates pressure. where is stamplars equivalent to steak? not even using a speed buff such as the psijic one or rapids even comes anywhere near to how good streak is.
- Stamplars need to use shuffle for snare immunity to get all 2.5 seconds of it while other stam classes can use forward momentum which gives 8 seconds of immunity and has a fraction of the cost.
- Sorc literally have access to more skills while in combat due to the 3rd bar overload AND ability to slot an ult on this bar meaning they are not as restricted on bar space as a templar
- Rune cage + meteor is an undodgeable and super strong combo. Stamplar cna get nice combos with dbos and potl but not only can this be telegraphed by the potl timer and visial animation but dbos can easily bug out and miss even when you are ontop of the enemy while rune cage cc goes through block and roll? where is templars cc to let them cc through block or roll?
-Sorc get a skill which directly counters CQC builds. mines will stop a stam user in their tracks. what is templars counter to mag or stam? yes they can cleanse dots but most stamplars will have between 9-12k mag which comes to 3 cleanses in 1 pool and dont run high mag recovery and mag dots only really effect mag dks but you can re-apply the dots when a stamplar cant keep cleansing them.
Every other stam class bar stamblade and stam dk has a spamable class native heal. Stamblade is able to get crit vigor ticks and rally ticks with ease and stam dk gets healing back when they use an ult and has crazy ult gen. (stamplar can only make 3 ult every 6 seconds via the 1 skill in dawns wrath which has a stamina morph)
Where are stamplars sustain skills? Mag sorc has regen and reduce cost passives and dark exchange. Stamplar gets 1 passive which gives less sustain and less dmg but considerable amounts. Sorc also get lich which gives insane regen on its own. Stamina as a whole has nothing like lich
IDK how you came to the interpretation that Stamplar = Mag sorc and > DKs. mag sorc should be top tier.
Magplar can do everything a stamplar can do but can cleanse more, has minor magicka steal and access to sets like lich, amberplasm and transmutation oh and ofc has not only a burst heal but can viably use more than just 1 skill in the dawn's wrath line
S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade, Mag sorc
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade
B Tier: Mag dk, Stam DK
C Tier: Magplar
D Tier: MagDen, Stamplar
Seems like a stamplar main who isn’t as good as he thinks he is
He's defenitly right that stamplar is a horrible class for 1vX unless you can play against NA pugs, a special kind of scrubs not being able to cast more than 1 skill every 5 seconds and making PotL not needed as they won't even heal themselves.
Stamplar is one of the easiest classes to kill in a 1vX as well as being highly dependent on the enemy.
One enemy that applies high pressure negates templar burst entirely as both jabs and PotL will be crap.
Let's not even talk about sustain at this point
The only class that's even worse is Stamdk, the burst there is like playing a stamplar without jabs and potl all the time5
