VMA Leaderboard Closes With Less Than 100 Players?

MilwaukeeScott · March 2018

I'm on PS4NA.

Last week the VMA Leaderboard for Sorcs closed with only 87 players. The 87 player had a 487800 score. I closed the week with a top score of 487050 score. 750 points lower than number 87.

I was hoping I made it into the top 100 for a reward. But there was only 87 Sorc players listed.

What's up with this? What am I not understanding?

notimetocare · March 2018

Closes on a timer not on 100 people

MilwaukeeScott · March 2018

notimetocare wrote: »

Closes on a timer not on 100 people

The last player was #87.

The last player had 750 more points than I did.

There were no players 88-100.

Why did I not get a slot in the vacant 88-100?

MilwaukeeScott wrote: »

Last week the VMA Leaderboard for Sorcs closed with only 87 players. The 87 player had a 487800 score. I closed the week with a top score of 487050 score. 750 points lower than number 87

What would a timer have to do with this? The Leaderboard was closed. I had my weekly score done already.

Ryuuhime · March 2018

I'm curious about why this happens. In addition to that, I also notice my vMA position go up and down, sometimes it's position say 75, then jumps to 77, then back to 75... weird.

Taleof2Cities · March 2018

Just making sure you were checking the right class, @MilwaukeeScott.

After that, if you still think you should have been on the Leaderboard for the week, send in a help ticket via the website ...

f047ys3v3n · March 2018

Most of the vMA leaderboards have not filled since Morrowind and some have literally never filled since Morrowind.
2 reasons:

1) They lost probably more than half of their endgame raiders with the big Morrowind resource nerf. Combat isn't near as fun or dynamic as it was before and the fully charged heavy thing does not play well with a whole lot of boss mechanics.

2) They took away the flat stat bonus from vMA (as well as masters) weapons when they changed from an enchant to a 1 pc bonus (this was a few updates after Morrowind.) Many of us do not use all our vMA or masters weapons anymore because they really just arne't that good. I still consider my masters resto and vMA resto to be excellent but most others I consider either poor or middling. For instance, I actually have vMA and masters infernos and don't use either.

Bottom line, Wrobel.

Saint_Bud · March 2018

For leaderbord you must make it in one try. There are not more in there because not more run it in a week.

Taleof2Cities · March 2018

Saint_Bud wrote: »

For leaderbord you must make it in one try. There are not more in there because not more run it in a week.

^This also applies.^

You’re not allowed to exit vMA or log off to be eligible for Leaderboards.

Yakidafi · March 2018

At two above he would not get the score at all if he left the arena.

About the disappearing You can see this in the all time leaderboard too, there should be more than 100 who completed it right? But the ones who show are less than that.

On some classes in the beginning of the week you can see the low scores on the leaderboard with like 100 score and so but they are never there at the end, so I too believe that score dissappear somehow.

I would say a score less then 500k won't make the leaderboard on sorc or nb anyway though, cause I think players score more than that on those classes.

MilwaukeeScott · March 2018

Like I said,

I completed VMA last week on my Sorc with a score of 487050.

At Leaderboard close,

There were 87 Sorc players listed.

Player #87 had a score of 487800. 750 more points than I got.

Why did the Leaderboard only have 87 players?

Is there a bell curve involved?

Is this a bug or working as intended?

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

After that, if you still think you should have been on the Leaderboard for the week, send in a help ticket via the website ...

I don't know if I should have been on the Leaderboards, hence my questions.

getemshauna · March 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Most of the vMA leaderboards have not filled since Morrowind and some have literally never filled since Morrowind.
2 reasons:

1) They lost probably more than half of their endgame raiders with the big Morrowind resource nerf. Combat isn't near as fun or dynamic as it was before and the fully charged heavy thing does not play well with a whole lot of boss mechanics.

2) They took away the flat stat bonus from vMA (as well as masters) weapons when they changed from an enchant to a 1 pc bonus (this was a few updates after Morrowind.) Many of us do not use all our vMA or masters weapons anymore because they really just arne't that good. I still consider my masters resto and vMA resto to be excellent but most others I consider either poor or middling. For instance, I actually have vMA and masters infernos and don't use either.

Bottom line, Wrobel.

Or maybe they just introduced retrait and you no longer need to spend half of your playtime in vMA...?

Sinolai · March 2018

Happened to me too once when I did with my tank. There was only 80-something in the list and my score was redicculosly low but still it should have gotten into the list. I did that on saturday so closing shouldnt have been a problem.

ClockworkCityBugs · March 2018

its a bug write ticket to support and you will have your weekly mail as i did

Qbiken · March 2018

Back when I farmed vMA on multiple toons (during Horns of the Reach- patch) I noticed that I sometimes couldn´t see the people below #70-89. At first glance I thought this was due to the lack of people playing the content and making it to the leaderboard. But I would see this on classes like nightblade and sorcerer where I know a lot of people play complete it as well.

Sometimes I can even find myself disappearing from the leaderboard and a few minutes later be back on it again.
As far as I know this is mainly an UI bug where the game doesn´t show everyone on the top 100. And when the game tries to update the leaderboard it goes wrong sometimes. "Best solution" is to get high enough score so you know you´re on the upper half of the leaderboard. If you still suspect a bug or anything else being wrong, take a screenshot of the score with your character on the leaderboard so you´ve a before & after picture and send to ZOS.

Shadowmaster · March 2018

I think its because so many players tie at the lower spots.

Asardes · March 2018

On some classes like Warden, Templar and even DK it closes almost every week with less than 100 players since fewer get a score. In order to get a score you have to finish the arena in one go, without leaving the arena. Most people do it on Sorcerer and NB, and that's why those leaderboards are full every week, and you need a 500K+ score to qualify for them on EU-PC. I also noticed the leaderboard sometimes doesn't display properly, so there may actually been many more players with scores higher than 480K that weren't shown and you were actually much lower than you thought you were.

ccfeeling · March 2018

PS4 NA

I have never check score and no idea how the leaderboard system run , but I got 3 reward mail this month , Im not pro , just around 480 ~ 510k ... why ?

Vaoh · March 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Most of the vMA leaderboards have not filled since Morrowind and some have literally never filled since Morrowind.
2 reasons:

1) They lost probably more than half of their endgame raiders with the big Morrowind resource nerf. Combat isn't near as fun or dynamic as it was before and the fully charged heavy thing does not play well with a whole lot of boss mechanics.

2) They took away the flat stat bonus from vMA (as well as masters) weapons when they changed from an enchant to a 1 pc bonus (this was a few updates after Morrowind.) Many of us do not use all our vMA or masters weapons anymore because they really just arne't that good. I still consider my masters resto and vMA resto to be excellent but most others I consider either poor or middling. For instance, I actually have vMA and masters infernos and don't use either.

Bottom line, Wrobel.

^^^ what else is there to say lol. It’s true.

Kalante · March 2018

Removing the 189 weapon damage completely destroyed the purpose of doing vma specially if you are going for a 2h sword, maul, or axe. Nobody ever said "can't wait to crit rush people with my vma weapon" because it's [snip] and still is.

[Edited to remove profanity]

Olupajmibanan · March 2018

I understand what you are talking about

If the week is low on participants, the leaderboard will close with 100 players (or less if not even 100 joined). Typically, when this happens, players at +-95th positions have poor score (around 100-200k).
If the dissappearing occurs (that OP stated) the bottom participants will have high scores (550k+) at 75th position. And players behind this will not be visible and won't get the rewards.

My guess is that leaderboards are not for 100 players but for a percentage of participants. If the number of participants does not cross a certain threshold it is set to absolute value of 100. If it cross the mentioned threshold, leaderboard size will scale down with the number of participants.
But this is only my guess and has never been officialy proved.

Kanar · March 2018

Kalante wrote: »

Removing the 189 weapon damage completely destroyed the purpose of doing vma specially if you are going for a 2h sword, maul, or axe. Nobody ever said "can't wait to crit rush people with my vma weapon" because it's [snip] and still is.

[Edited to remove profanity]

In addition they further nerfed crit rush recently, making it a terrible skill that no one will slot.

Apache_Kid · March 2018

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

I understand what you are talking about

If the week is low on participants, the leaderboard will close with 100 players (or less if not even 100 joined). Typically, when this happens, players at +-95th positions have poor score (around 100-200k).
If the dissappearing occurs (that OP stated) the bottom participants will have high scores (550k+) at 75th position. And players behind this will not be visible and won't get the rewards.

My guess is that leaderboards are not for 100 players but for a percentage of participants. If the number of participants does not cross a certain threshold it is set to absolute value of 100. If it cross the mentioned threshold, leaderboard size will scale down with the number of participants.
But this is only my guess and has never been officialy proved.

This would actually make a lot of sense. Either way OP i would submit a ticket and explain your situation. It's possible you are in the right and they will sort you out and get you your reward mail.

MilwaukeeScott · March 2018

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

My guess is that leaderboards are not for 100 players but for a percentage of participants. If the number of participants does not cross a certain threshold it is set to absolute value of 100. If it cross the mentioned threshold, leaderboard size will scale down with the number of participants.
But this is only my guess and has never been officialy proved.

If not a bug, this is the only thing that makes sense.

LZH · March 2018

Leaderboards have been bugged since CWC.

For some reason, names will appear and disappear on the leaderboards at any moment. For example, if you look at the top scores in basically any trial, you'll see that at some points there isn't 12 names showing up for first place, with sometimes showing as few as 6-7 names.

The reason you didn't appear on the leaderboards at #88 is because the leaderboards were actually full but 12 of the names were experiencing this bug.This is also why sometimes you'll see your score in vMA go up and down on the boards over the course of a day/week/month.

I haven't seen ZOS acknowledge it, but I'm not sure if they know it exists.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Kanar · March 2018

Oh look it's that guy who has #1 spot in every freaking class. @LZH

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · March 2018

I was gunna say it's highly unlikely the 87th person had a 450+k score and there wasn't one lower, so it must be a UI bug. There's always people with 0-200k score so I assume that was the problem.

You probably almost missed out by skin of your teeth

Inarre · June 2018

Is this still a bug?

Even the all-time leaderboards show less than 100 players for each class, and its certainly not that the boards rank players ignoring their class. Surely Templars and DKs would be kicked from the boards entirely if the boards were made purely on ranking. It makes no sense to have ~80 Templar scores and ~50 Sorc scores 100k+ higher.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert
Any chance this can be resolved?

Diminish · June 2018

I was on the leaderboard last week (got my 4666787 bow in my rewards, and permafrost legs), and 2 things... it did have 100 people on it, and the lowest score was less than what you posted...

Inarre · June 2018

Diminish wrote: »

I was on the leaderboard last week, and 2 things... it did have 100 people on it, and the lowest score was less than what you posted...

If you were on it last week with a lower score, likely you are talking about the weekly leaderboards, rather than the all-time that I mentioned in my post.

Diminish · June 2018

Inarre wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

I was on the leaderboard last week, and 2 things... it did have 100 people on it, and the lowest score was less than what you posted...

If you were on it last week with a lower score, likely you are talking about the weekly leaderboards, rather than the all-time that I mentioned in my post.

Actually, that is what I was talking about since that is the topic of this thread...

Inarre · June 2018

Diminish wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

I was on the leaderboard last week, and 2 things... it did have 100 people on it, and the lowest score was less than what you posted...

If you were on it last week with a lower score, likely you are talking about the weekly leaderboards, rather than the all-time that I mentioned in my post.

Actually, that is what I was talking about since that is the topic of this thread...

Sorry, I assumed you were responding to my post since it was the only one in the last few months. Carry on.