GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
Its not bad. Running Imperial with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).
My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.
Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
Its not bad. Running Imperial with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).
My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.
Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
If you're going to dedicate a set to magicka on a stamblade why even be a stamblade.
Imperial? Imperial physique?
Even as a skill its not great only 2 effects isn't enough tbh. There is too many status effects.
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
Its not bad. Running Imperial with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).
My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.
Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
If you're going to dedicate a set to magicka on a stamblade why even be a stamblade.
Imperial? Imperial physique?
Even as a skill its not great only 2 effects isn't enough tbh. There is too many status effects.
No I'm Imperial Race. So i have over 22k health without needing a food buff. Honestly its the 50% reduced duration on all ongoing effects thats really strong. I was surprised how well it performed when i started using it. 100% worth when you run into duroks users too.
(5 items) When you take damage, you apply Major Defile to the attacker for 10 seconds, reducing their healing received by 30%. This effect can occur once every 1 second.
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
Its not bad. Running Imperial Race with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).
My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.
Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
Its not bad. Running Imperial Race with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).
My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.
Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
Purging surprise attack debuff only to have it applied on the next weave? Some people are clueless about game mechanics
GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.
Its not bad. Running Imperial Race with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).
My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.
Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.
You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.
Purging surprise attack debuff only to have it applied on the next weave? Some people are clueless about game mechanics
Im using purge in a 4 man open world environment. Generally all of us are stamblades. So shedding a 16 second debuff from myself and/or some allies that have been hit by surprise attack isn't a bad thing. Not to mention all the other things im possibly purging.
ty for your kind words.
No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.
DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Crossposting from my response to another thread:
Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.
If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.
So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.
It really needs to:
1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.
That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.
DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Crossposting from my response to another thread:
Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.
If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.
So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.
It really needs to:
1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.
That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.
To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.
I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.
Sload's - countering the purge argument
DeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Crossposting from my response to another thread:
Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.
If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.
So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.
It really needs to:
1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.
That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.
To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.
I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.
Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).
Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....
DeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Crossposting from my response to another thread:
Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.
If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.
So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.
It really needs to:
1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.
That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.
To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.
I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.
Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).
Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....
Yep, it first cleanses 5 debuffs & then cloak goes off - in that order. Or atleast it did when I last tested it (haven't tested this update). You can use it to get rid of Piercing Mark too for example without giving opponent a chance to reapply it.
DeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »Crossposting from my response to another thread:
Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.
If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.
So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.
It really needs to:
1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.
That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.
To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.
I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.
Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).
Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....
Yep, it first cleanses 5 debuffs & then cloak goes off - in that order. Or atleast it did when I last tested it (haven't tested this update). You can use it to get rid of Piercing Mark too for example without giving opponent a chance to reapply it.
Wyrd Tree still has a major problem if you use it on magblade : you have 4 other magicka abilities on the hotbar that will trigger it when you don't want it to, putting it on cooldown before you can use it with cloak.
leepalmer95 wrote: »No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.
Lmao you seen this forum lately, full of noobs who actually do consider it a counter. Whats happened to the forum lmao.
No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.
DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »wyrd tree + purge = gg sloadtard
arkansas_ESO wrote: »Wyrd is a bad set for magicka builds, let alone stam builds. One purge every fifteen seconds is terrible for PVP. I have no clue why people keep bringing it up.
Incorrect; the set is actually really good for magicka nbs if you build for it. I use to backbar it and use cloak on that bar which allowed me to escape every single time back when dots broke cloak a lot
Yea except you have 4 other magicka abilities on that bar that will use the purge effect when you don't want it to. Unless you only play with 6 abilities total and have 5 x cloak on bar 2?? Sounds viable
I will never understand you people who think everyone should have to completely retool their builds to counter one set. I heard the same dumb stuff re: Shieldbreaker and it's just mind-boggling.TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »arkansas_ESO wrote: »Wyrd is a bad set for magicka builds, let alone stam builds. One purge every fifteen seconds is terrible for PVP. I have no clue why people keep bringing it up.
Incorrect; the set is actually really good for magicka nbs if you build for it. I use to backbar it and use cloak on that bar which allowed me to escape every single time back when dots broke cloak a lot
Agreed...
The people that are saying its bad are the ones that don't want to change their builds to adapt to the current game...
I am willing to bet that some of them have never even used the set in practice; they are simply looking at the set on paper and drawing conclusions about it opposed to actually giving it a shot...