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Sload's - countering the purge argument

  • leepalmer95
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    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    Its not bad. Running Imperial with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).

    My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.

    Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    If you're going to dedicate a set to magicka on a stamblade why even be a stamblade.

    Imperial? Imperial physique?

    Even as a skill its not great only 2 effects isn't enough tbh. There is too many status effects.
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    Its not bad. Running Imperial with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).

    My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.

    Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    If you're going to dedicate a set to magicka on a stamblade why even be a stamblade.

    Imperial? Imperial physique?

    Even as a skill its not great only 2 effects isn't enough tbh. There is too many status effects.

    No I'm Imperial Race. So i have over 22k health without needing a food buff. Honestly its the 50% reduced duration on all ongoing effects thats really strong. I was surprised how well it performed when i started using it. 100% worth when you run into duroks users too.

    Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on June 20, 2018 6:38AM
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  • Asmael
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    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    Its not bad. Running Imperial with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).

    My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.

    Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    If you're going to dedicate a set to magicka on a stamblade why even be a stamblade.

    Imperial? Imperial physique?

    Even as a skill its not great only 2 effects isn't enough tbh. There is too many status effects.

    No I'm Imperial Race. So i have over 22k health without needing a food buff. Honestly its the 50% reduced duration on all ongoing effects thats really strong. I was surprised how well it performed when i started using it. 100% worth when you run into duroks users too.

    ...It doesn't work against Durok...

    Or, well, technically it does: for an almighty 1 second, since that's the cooldown of that set.
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  • TheRealSniker
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    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    purge their poison injection XD


    on the other note: atleast 5 of my pvp discords are consantly making fun of things like "just purge it l2p" or "just use wyrd l2p" XD

    Purge really is the answer to everything! Purge defiles, sloads, block bol spam, zerglings, snipe, bleeds, cloak weavers... I mean I can also purge shieldbreaker cant I?
  • glavius
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    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    Its not bad. Running Imperial Race with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).

    My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.

    Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    Purging surprise attack debuff only to have it applied on the next weave? Some people are clueless about game mechanics
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Wyrd Tree keeps getting mentioned and it is a bad set even for Magicka lol.
    Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 20, 2018 7:38AM
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  • GreenSoup2HoT
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    glavius wrote: »
    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    Its not bad. Running Imperial Race with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).

    My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.

    Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    Purging surprise attack debuff only to have it applied on the next weave? Some people are clueless about game mechanics

    Im using purge in a 4 man open world environment. Generally all of us are stamblades. So shedding a 16 second debuff from myself and/or some allies that have been hit by surprise attack isn't a bad thing. Not to mention all the other things im possibly purging.

    ty for your kind words.
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  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    glavius wrote: »
    Using purge on a stamblade? lmao.

    Its not bad. Running Imperial Race with duel stat regen makes eff purge easy to manage. I hit 1500 magicka regen without continuous (im vamp tho).

    My stamblade friends i run with love having me around as a supportblade.

    Ive been considering running Seducer to crank that mag regen to like 2k then the cost reduction will help a lot. Could even 5 medium 2 light.

    You wouldnt believe the amount of nbs that have no idea how to fight you once you purge their poison inj and incap/surprise att debuffs.

    Purging surprise attack debuff only to have it applied on the next weave? Some people are clueless about game mechanics

    Im using purge in a 4 man open world environment. Generally all of us are stamblades. So shedding a 16 second debuff from myself and/or some allies that have been hit by surprise attack isn't a bad thing. Not to mention all the other things im possibly purging.

    ty for your kind words.

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  • DDuke
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    I think it's worth noting that Siphoner CP passive also effectively halves the efficiency of Purge by applying a debuff to you every light attack. Then there's status effects, DoTs, other sets with debuffs etc.

    Trying to purge Sload is like trying to win the lottery and each ticket to that lottery costs you 5130 Magicka (it is one of the most expensive skills in the game).

    Compare to Extended Ritual which cleanses 5 debuffs (making it 150% better than Purge in that regard alone), creates a heal over time/snare area & gives allies a synergy to cleanse themselves while also being almost 20% cheaper at 4320 Magicka...


    Purge is a garbage skill, period.
    Edited by DDuke on June 20, 2018 11:24AM
  • Thogard
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    No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.
    Edited by Thogard on June 20, 2018 2:14PM
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  • leepalmer95
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    Thogard wrote: »
    No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.

    Lmao you seen this forum lately, full of noobs who actually do consider it a counter. Whats happened to the forum lmao.
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  • DeadlyRecluse
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    Crossposting from my response to another thread:

    Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.

    If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.

    So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.

    It really needs to:
    1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
    2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.

    That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.
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  • DDuke
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    Crossposting from my response to another thread:

    Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.

    If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.

    So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.

    It really needs to:
    1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
    2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.

    That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.

    To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.

    I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.
    Edited by DDuke on June 20, 2018 2:27PM
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    DDuke wrote: »
    Crossposting from my response to another thread:

    Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.

    If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.

    So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.

    It really needs to:
    1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
    2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.

    That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.

    To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.

    I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.

    Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).

    Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....
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  • Ishammael
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    If Wyrd Tree had ~8s cooldown it would be viable. 15s is way too long.
  • rfennell_ESO
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    glavius wrote: »
    Sload's - countering the purge argument

    The idea that one would even have to slot efficient purge (whether or not it works) to counter an armor set that applies it's damage unerringly and constantly and totally breaks a class ability and the shielding play style only exists in a reality where you aren't limited in slots to place skills.

    Shield breaker was pretty iffy, but was also "limited" in that the damage could be avoided by los/dodge roll etc. Sload's can't really be avoided and compounds issues with oblivion damage in a pretty ridiculous and far beyond the annoyance of shield breaker.

    If there is one thing that does make pvp in eso "good" it's that you always have to make hard choices as to what skills you can carry. Forcing people to slot of skill because of an armor set and then making it not even very effective when they do is folly.

  • DDuke
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    DDuke wrote: »
    Crossposting from my response to another thread:

    Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.

    If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.

    So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.

    It really needs to:
    1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
    2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.

    That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.

    To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.

    I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.

    Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).

    Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....

    Yep, it first cleanses 5 debuffs & then cloak goes off - in that order. Or atleast it did when I last tested it (haven't tested this update). You can use it to get rid of Piercing Mark too for example without giving opponent a chance to reapply it.
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    DDuke wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Crossposting from my response to another thread:

    Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.

    If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.

    So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.

    It really needs to:
    1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
    2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.

    That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.

    To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.

    I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.

    Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).

    Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....

    Yep, it first cleanses 5 debuffs & then cloak goes off - in that order. Or atleast it did when I last tested it (haven't tested this update). You can use it to get rid of Piercing Mark too for example without giving opponent a chance to reapply it.

    That's pretty nifty.

    I'd def think about using it as a backbar set on NB just to give cloak a fighting chance.
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  • Feanor
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    Purge is a brilliant counter. What everyone who defends Sloads really means by „adapting“: just purge until your friends arrive (so you can actually get a kill after you have spent 20k magicka on purging).
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  • technohic
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    DDuke wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Crossposting from my response to another thread:

    Everyone who brings up Wyrd Tree or purge as a counter to Sloads needs to actually pay attention to how Sloads procs.

    If you purge it, it can be instantly reapplied--the 6 second cooldown is...not actually a cooldown.

    So Wyrd tree/purge/ritual etc. aren't really counters. If you are a NB, you have to purge/wait for a wyrd tree proc, then hope you can get a cloak cast in before one of the dots on you ticks and retriggers sloads.

    It really needs to:
    1. Actually respect it's own cooldown.
    2. Have a more stringent proc condition, so that purging actually gives a few seconds of relief.

    That's at a minimum. the issues with a sticky oblivion dot are insane, but if that's what we're stuck with, something like a 20% chance on direct damage rather than a 10% on all damage would be a good start--then a purge, dodgeroll, cloak would actually work, for example. Or for stam builds, a purge+dodgeroll+dodgeroll would actually take the pressure off.

    To play the devil's advocate here (I don't think Wyrd Tree is a viable solution, atleast for stamblade): casting cloak with Wyrd Tree actually purges (hopefully, if you have 5+ debuffs on you) the sload & puts you into cloak, meaning no dmg/further sload procs.

    I've genuinely considered using it as a magblade off bar set as the 2-4p aren't that bad.

    Just to be clear (i've never tested the wyrd tree-cloak animation): if you cast cloak with wyrd tree ready to proc, it purges before you cloak (rather than cloaking, failing to cloak, then purging)? That's actually kind of cool (if an absolutely ridiculous level of shenanigans needed).

    Of course that still only works if you have less than 5 effects, counting sload, on you. I've fully embraced the cheese, and anyone I'm targeting has more than that....

    Yep, it first cleanses 5 debuffs & then cloak goes off - in that order. Or atleast it did when I last tested it (haven't tested this update). You can use it to get rid of Piercing Mark too for example without giving opponent a chance to reapply it.

    It may not be before but right as it goes off. Not sure if it’s possible for a tick to land exactly at the same time cloak activated to cancel it but would be extremely unlikely
  • glavius
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    Wyrd Tree still has a major problem if you use it on magblade : you have 4 other magicka abilities on the hotbar that will trigger it when you don't want it to, putting it on cooldown before you can use it with cloak.
  • Sergykid
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    what if casting a cleanse effect, be it purge/templar cleanse/wyrd/whatever, will cure u of all present debuffs and dots.

    as a counter to this, it gets the cost increase if spammed. This treatment is the best solution since we don't use cooldowns, and i see it fit for other spells like cloak or absorb shields.
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  • DDuke
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    glavius wrote: »
    Wyrd Tree still has a major problem if you use it on magblade : you have 4 other magicka abilities on the hotbar that will trigger it when you don't want it to, putting it on cooldown before you can use it with cloak.

    Hence why you'd want to have it on defensive off bar preferably.

    Get hit by stuff, weapon swap->healing ward (or cloak) boom, debuffs gone
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    https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Robes+of+the+Hist+Set

    This is one of those rare sets that 'could' reliably help you fight sloadsters, if we ask the question of 'which set out there can directly or indirectly counter sload?'.

    Now, disabling effects aren't 'sload', (that would perhaps fall into the category of Curse Eater) but if you're fighting a sloadster or two and you've got some disabling effects on you, then you can at least get a decent heal over time for free.

    Not perfect, not great, but if sload is really troubling you THAT much, try any of these and let me know if any of them worked:

    https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Robes+of+the+Hist+Set (if snare counts as disabling effect, even more power to it)
    https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Curse+Eater+Set (previous bonuses are kinda meh, but last one is reliable, it'd be better if it was 35 - 40% since the CP passive with the same effect got removed long ago)
    https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Almalexia's+Mercy+Set (if you're playing in a group with a tanky mag spec, could be worth trying)

    If you're a magplar, get used to purging like a maniac. If you're not a magplar, it's time to experiment.
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Thogard wrote: »
    No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.

    Lmao you seen this forum lately, full of noobs who actually do consider it a counter. Whats happened to the forum lmao.

    The game bled out experienced players and now it has come to this. Even though new influx to the game are probably are smaller than that of the past, it is enough to replace older vet players.
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  • Arkangeloski
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    Thogard wrote: »
    No respectable player considers purge a viable counter. Most of the people saying that are quoting a meme that’s going around some PvP discords that is mocking a post written by a very vocal albeit uneducated nightblade poster, who is, AFAIK, the only person who actually believes purge is a counter.

    Is he an archeologist obsessed with dwemer architecture? Lol :D
    Edited by Arkangeloski on June 21, 2018 12:14AM
  • DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER
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    wyrd tree + purge = gg sloadtard
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    wyrd tree + purge = gg sloadtard

    Spamming this won't make it useful though.
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  • Xsorus
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    glavius wrote: »
    Xsorus wrote: »
    Wyrd is a bad set for magicka builds, let alone stam builds. One purge every fifteen seconds is terrible for PVP. I have no clue why people keep bringing it up.

    Incorrect; the set is actually really good for magicka nbs if you build for it. I use to backbar it and use cloak on that bar which allowed me to escape every single time back when dots broke cloak a lot

    Yea except you have 4 other magicka abilities on that bar that will use the purge effect when you don't want it to. Unless you only play with 6 abilities total and have 5 x cloak on bar 2?? Sounds viable :neutral:

    Hence why you back bar it; while you will have abilities on that bar back there they are primary buffs you do before combat or something you want purging dots anyway.
  • Stratforge
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    Xsorus wrote: »
    Wyrd is a bad set for magicka builds, let alone stam builds. One purge every fifteen seconds is terrible for PVP. I have no clue why people keep bringing it up.

    Incorrect; the set is actually really good for magicka nbs if you build for it. I use to backbar it and use cloak on that bar which allowed me to escape every single time back when dots broke cloak a lot

    Agreed...

    The people that are saying its bad are the ones that don't want to change their builds to adapt to the current game...

    I am willing to bet that some of them have never even used the set in practice; they are simply looking at the set on paper and drawing conclusions about it opposed to actually giving it a shot...
    I will never understand you people who think everyone should have to completely retool their builds to counter one set. I heard the same dumb stuff re: Shieldbreaker and it's just mind-boggling.
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