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Cost for JC Master Writs vs Voucher count
Panomania
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As the title says, the cost to craft ANY Master Writ in jewelcraft is insane vs voucher reward amount. Typically if you are doing voucher or selling them you wanna see a material cost per voucher WELL under 500 golf per voucher. Jewelcraft Masters with the rarity of upgrade mats ends up with a material cost of 10K to 20K per voucher.
ZOS, you dont see the issue with this?
Now I understand that because this is all new, prices will tend to be high for materials. But given the methods you have put in place for acquiring upgrade AND trait materials you are always going to see cost to craft considerably higher than even their blacksmithing counterparts (currently they are between 20 and 30 times the cost, and I'd predict at best they will get down to 5 times the cost)...but the voucher rewards are the same, if not lower.
PLEASE FIX THIS! Up the voucher count if you dont want to make materials easier to get.
ZOS, you dont see the issue with this?
Now I understand that because this is all new, prices will tend to be high for materials. But given the methods you have put in place for acquiring upgrade AND trait materials you are always going to see cost to craft considerably higher than even their blacksmithing counterparts (currently they are between 20 and 30 times the cost, and I'd predict at best they will get down to 5 times the cost)...but the voucher rewards are the same, if not lower.
PLEASE FIX THIS! Up the voucher count if you dont want to make materials easier to get.
The opinions of others should always be heard, especially if they dont agree with your own! But you always reserve the right to laugh at them.
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phileunderx2✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have 2 jewelry master writs. 1 calls for a legendary ring about 100 vouchers. Lol I don't even have 1 gold plating yet. No way am I going to chase down all those mats for a 100 vouchers. SMH.4 -
Nebthet78✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lol... I just got a master writ for an Epic (Purple) ring and it only gives 9 vouchers... like as IF I'm going to waste my time making that, given how hard it is to get plating.Far too many characters to list any more.1 -
LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭Whoever designed the whole master writ system must have been really angry or drunk.9 -
Mist_Walker✭✭Honestly the fact that jewelry writs don't offer 10x the rewards of the other crafts, despite requiring 10x the materials, is proof ZOS didn't think the system through. Then again, all Jewelcrafting Writs give Enchanting skill XP after the first few levels rather than JC XP--something that was known and reported weeks ago on the PTS, made it to live, and still hasn't been patched--so at this point, nothing should really surprise anyone.5
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Inklings✭✭✭✭✭You don't set voucher rewards for day one cost. The were set for inflation and what they think these items will cost months down the road.1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really want to hear the justification from ZOS on this one. As long as the upgrade mats are required in a multiple of 10, the rewards need to scale to match. Yes, the price on the platinum ounces will likely come down and be similar to other materials soon enough, but the lowest the upgrade mats should drop to is still 10 times the value of other upgrade mats. Also the gold mats from standard top tier writs do not drop at a similar rate compared to other top tier writs and there are no hirelings.2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LadyDestiny wrote: »Whoever designed the whole master writ system must have been really angry or drunk.
It really is a big let down tbh, especially for JCing been max Jcing on all 15 chars since week 1 and still only have 2/10 lesser tempers out of nearly 265 max tier JC writs now0 -
Edaphon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You don't set voucher rewards for day one cost. The were set for inflation and what they think these items will cost months down the road.
They weren't set for anything, that's the problem.
They award literally the same amount of vouchers as blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking writs while requiring ten times the amount of upgrade mats and in some cases an expensive trait stone on top of that.
JC master writs are just a complete waste of mats in their current state and prices will never fall low enough to change that.4 -
Nightfall12✭✭✭✭✭What they should do is cut the reward vouchers in half.
then make all purple item master writs into green item writs
and make gold writs into blue writsUmmm stuff… about stuff…or something.1 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭You don't set voucher rewards for day one cost. The were set for inflation and what they think these items will cost months down the road.
They weren't set for anything, that's the problem.
They award literally the same amount of vouchers as blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking writs while requiring ten times the amount of upgrade mats and in some cases an expensive trait stone on top of that.
JC master writs are just a complete waste of mats in their current state and prices will never fall low enough to change that.
And a hundred + days less of research time for traits to have a higher chance to obtain them. There is more to master writs vouchers rewards then what it cost to make them.
We also just had a voucher reset on some of the legendary provisioning master writs. In good time this could all be adjusted but to say they didn't have a reason why they set these vouchers were they are is just wrong.0 -
Jayne_Doe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You don't set voucher rewards for day one cost. The were set for inflation and what they think these items will cost months down the road.
They weren't set for anything, that's the problem.
They award literally the same amount of vouchers as blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking writs while requiring ten times the amount of upgrade mats and in some cases an expensive trait stone on top of that.
JC master writs are just a complete waste of mats in their current state and prices will never fall low enough to change that.
And a hundred + days less of research time for traits to have a higher chance to obtain them. There is more to master writs vouchers rewards then what it cost to make them.
We also just had a voucher reset on some of the legendary provisioning master writs. In good time this could all be adjusted but to say they didn't have a reason why they set these vouchers were they are is just wrong.
What's this about provisioning MWs for legendary recipes? How much has the voucher reward increased to (I'm assuming an increase, rather than a decrease)?1 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You don't set voucher rewards for day one cost. The were set for inflation and what they think these items will cost months down the road.
They weren't set for anything, that's the problem.
They award literally the same amount of vouchers as blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking writs while requiring ten times the amount of upgrade mats and in some cases an expensive trait stone on top of that.
JC master writs are just a complete waste of mats in their current state and prices will never fall low enough to change that.
And a hundred + days less of research time for traits to have a higher chance to obtain them. There is more to master writs vouchers rewards then what it cost to make them.
We also just had a voucher reset on some of the legendary provisioning master writs. In good time this could all be adjusted but to say they didn't have a reason why they set these vouchers were they are is just wrong.
What's this about provisioning MWs for legendary recipes? How much has the voucher reward increased to (I'm assuming an increase, rather than a decrease)?
New master writ drops for provisioning that require 2 perfect roe now award 40 vouchers. Old versions remain unchanged unfortunately.0 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You don't set voucher rewards for day one cost. The were set for inflation and what they think these items will cost months down the road.
They weren't set for anything, that's the problem.
They award literally the same amount of vouchers as blacksmithing/clothing/woodworking writs while requiring ten times the amount of upgrade mats and in some cases an expensive trait stone on top of that.
JC master writs are just a complete waste of mats in their current state and prices will never fall low enough to change that.
And a hundred + days less of research time for traits to have a higher chance to obtain them. There is more to master writs vouchers rewards then what it cost to make them.
We also just had a voucher reset on some of the legendary provisioning master writs. In good time this could all be adjusted but to say they didn't have a reason why they set these vouchers were they are is just wrong.
I agree that in time it could be adjusted, but the current implementation, even assuming nothing else changes other than a normalization of prices over time, still leaves these master writs as a complete waste of time. Now if changes actually happen to the jewelcraft system such as an adjustment to drop rates for mats or addition of hirelings or things such as that, then things could come into line in theory. The problem is that master writs all but require massive changes to the current system to even become moderately worth while. I don't believe that blacksmithing, clothing or woodworking required massive changes to their systems in order for their master writs to be worthwhile. On the contrary, those master writs set the bar and are the reason for the current value that master writs have. If new writs are added (like JC) that are vastly undervalued then it needs to be mentioned as a potential issue that needs looking into.1 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Since you need 10 "raw" platings to craft 1 "regular" plating - it is 10 times more expensive than crafting other gear. It should be also reflected in vouchers you get from Master Writ. So if you have a Master Writ that calls for 1 legendary ring / necklace - and it gives about 100 vouchers - then it should give you 1000 (10 times more) vouchers... Otherwise... who would actually do those writs ?Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on June 7, 2018 6:42AM2 -
sharquez✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hope this is something being looked at, because it is a bit silly to expect to spend 100k+ for 10+/- writ vouchers...0 -
Malborn66✭✭✭I have been pumping the Writ System with 10 characters since Summerset was released on PC and to date have one bit of Chromium dust . At this rate, I will be dead before I can gold upgrade anything.
As for the returns on Master Writs, I doubt that given the costs/time to develop the Platings nobody will be prepared to expend them on writs.
Especially for the paltry returns that ESO are giving.0 -
HarleyQuinn42cSoul ShrivenYeah I got a writ for 109 vouchers that requires a Hunding rage Bloodthirsty Legendary ring, it's insane, for the first 6 months they should have restricted the master writs to blue and those blue should be worth a 100 writs, after 6 months when ppl have more mats available they could have introduced purple for 150 vouchers and gold for more. At the moment though it's totally not worth doing jewelry crafting daily's for anything but a chance at the extremely low drop Swift and survey's.
Edited by HarleyQuinn42c on June 13, 2018 9:35AM1 -
Broyston✭✭✭To me the gold cost of the materials is irrelevant, it is the number required. 10x the upgrade materials should be 10x the number of vouchers compared to the equivalent blacksmithing/woodworking/clothing writ. So most legendary jewellery writs should be rewarding 500-1000 vouchers.Edited by Broyston on June 13, 2018 1:04PM4
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Panomania✭✭✭✭Broyston got it in one. It doesnt matter that this early on cost for mats is exceptionally high....everyone expected that. But the huge price isnt JUST because they are new, its mostly because they are less plentiful, and ALWAYS WILL BE!We also just had a voucher reset on some of the legendary provisioning master writs. In good time this could all be adjusted but to say they didn't have a reason why they set these vouchers were they are is just wrong.
Sorry, you're flat out mistaken. ZOS didnt think this through, and it seems you arent either.
1) 10 to 1 rate for other upgrade mats compared to JC upgrade mats. TEN TO ONE! Yet the same reward rate?? It makes absolutely no sense, and as someone stated its proof ZOS didnt think this through and just,. as usual, either tossed stuff together last second or set someone of questionable mental acuity to the task.
2) No hireling yield for resources. It may not seem like much but hireling mats add up. FAST. Removing that is keeping mats rare, which I can only assume was ZOS intent. If so, why, again, are masters writs not scaled accordingly?
Again, either way you cut it, the JC system for masters writs is broken, and time without action wont fix things.Edited by Panomania on June 18, 2018 2:47PMThe opinions of others should always be heard, especially if they dont agree with your own! But you always reserve the right to laugh at them.3 -
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✭I've just piled up the writs in a guild bank in case they ever finish 2nd grade math over there at ZOS.
I can't say the whole jewelry crafting system has been a bust. I like some of the new traits and have been re-traiting stuff. They did employ some creativity in some of the traits and you can get things there that you can't get anywhere else. As for actually crafting stuff though, It's never going to happen with the 10x multiplier added to no hirelings.
All in all it is a bit of a mystery as to how ZOS could make such a simple math blunder. They do like moving the decimal point from time to time though and it never seems to be all that well thought out.I am mostly pleased with the current state of ESO. Please do continue to ban cheaters though and you guys have to find out who is duping gold and how because the economy is currently non-functional.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The trait stone from PvP (triune?) cost 100K AP. These things really need to be looked at.0
