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BSW and Mother's Sorrow uptime?
Auros
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I have MagBlade and MagSorc (non-pet)
I grind a lot and managed to get Mother's Sorrow and Burning Spellweave staves and jewellery, I can double-bar each.
1. Is it worth single-barring BSW/MS before I get Maelstrom staff? (uptime wise)
2. When MA Staff comes into play, which one should I front bar then, considering most uptime possible? Bsw or MS?
My initial plan is for my MagBlade BSW front bar + MS body? OR should I MS front-bar instead?
For my MagSorc non-pet (force pulse) BSW front-bar + Acuity.
I know Siroria is BiS, however I prefer BSW for now, because of mobility.
I've seen some people state that BSW should be only backbarred to proc reliably, so I am confused.
What do you think?
Edited by Auros on June 19, 2018 8:42AM I grind a lot and managed to get Mother's Sorrow and Burning Spellweave staves and jewellery, I can double-bar each.
1. Is it worth single-barring BSW/MS before I get Maelstrom staff? (uptime wise)
2. When MA Staff comes into play, which one should I front bar then, considering most uptime possible? Bsw or MS?
My initial plan is for my MagBlade BSW front bar + MS body? OR should I MS front-bar instead?
For my MagSorc non-pet (force pulse) BSW front-bar + Acuity.
I know Siroria is BiS, however I prefer BSW for now, because of mobility.
I've seen some people state that BSW should be only backbarred to proc reliably, so I am confused.
What do you think?
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You want the crit up 100% from mother's sorrow. Seems like a simple decision to me, front bar bsw staff and back bar vma staff.2 -
Weisstag✭✭✭Cuz they dont have BSW inferno thats why
Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering2 -
I also wanted to know this so I did some tests.
BSW front-barred on magblade with flame blockade, double flame staff and fire enchant infused on the front bar gives me 50-60% uptime usually. 55% is quite average.
On my magblade rotation, I spend 2/3 of my time on the frontbar. I counted the number of barswaps and the time I spent on my bars using Combat Metrics.
The four piece bonus of BSW and MS is equal so that makes it easy; you only need to compare the 5p bonuses.
For me, MS gives 8.8% * 2/3 = 5.87% crit on average.
BSW gives me 525*0.55 = 288.75 spell damage on average. Plus extra burning uptime.
For me, this spell damage wins it over the crit. It depends on your build, but for me the other sets were Siroria and Zaan or Valkyn. Using Lover mundus, BSW still was better in theory. Of course you should check the uptime on BSW in your own fights to see if it is good, but I am sticking with BSW for now.0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
How do you have 80% crit?
Edit: I see, thief, why you running thief? Surely apprentice would be more DPS.
No, thief is better on magblade in most situations.
He's running BSW frontbar, MS 5 piece, and zaan.
I'm surprised to see this much dps without Siroria, though.Edited by AEAltadoonPadhome on June 19, 2018 10:32AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
How do you have 80% crit?
Edit: I see, thief, why you running thief? Surely apprentice would be more DPS.
No, thief is better on magblade in most situations.
He's running BSW frontbar, MS 5 piece, and zaan.
I'm surprised to see this much dps without Siroria, though.
You got math to back that up? Not that I don't believe you, I run shadow on mine to be different (and I never get anywhere close to that DPS, mostly cause that light attack damage is non-existent for more cause I am terribad at weaving) but there are people that care about getting every bit.
And to just point out, that is a 3 mill dummy parse, so pretty much burst damage.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 19, 2018 10:39AM0 -
Hamrb✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
How do you have 80% crit?
Edit: I see, thief, why you running thief? Surely apprentice would be more DPS.
No, thief is better on magblade in most situations.
He's running BSW frontbar, MS 5 piece, and zaan.
I'm surprised to see this much dps without Siroria, though.
You got math to back that up?
im pretty sure thief wins out in non-mechanical acuity builds. i have no math to back this up, just plenty of dummy parses and a friend with a house that has all the mundus stonesFounder of Sheogorath's Mortals NA PC
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
How do you have 80% crit?
Edit: I see, thief, why you running thief? Surely apprentice would be more DPS.
No, thief is better on magblade in most situations.
He's running BSW frontbar, MS 5 piece, and zaan.
I'm surprised to see this much dps without Siroria, though.
You got math to back that up?
im pretty sure thief wins out in non-mechanical acuity builds. i have no math to back this up, just plenty of dummy parses and a friend with a house that has all the mundus stones
So just feelings? Or you using a 3 million dummy like the guy with the screenshot?0 -
Weisstag✭✭✭Tested all, if you run zaan go thief if you run skoria go apprentice, always run bsw frontbar if possible, uptime is basically same as if you run it as full set, thats so far my what i discovered from tests
Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Tested all, if you run zaan go thief if you run skoria go apprentice, always run bsw frontbar if possible, uptime is basically same as if you run it as full set, thats so far my what i discovered from tests
What could possibly be the difference between monster sets when choosing crit vs base damage increase when monster sets neither crit or use your max magic and spell damage for there damage?0 -
Weisstag✭✭✭zaan has crit bonus as 1pc, combined with thief you get 80% crit but skoria gives hp so you go to only like 76% with thief
Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
Weisstag✭✭✭what iam saying is that thief is viable if you can get to 80%+ crit
Iam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0 -
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
How do you have 80% crit?
Edit: I see, thief, why you running thief? Surely apprentice would be more DPS.
No, thief is better on magblade in most situations.
He's running BSW frontbar, MS 5 piece, and zaan.
I'm surprised to see this much dps without Siroria, though.
You got math to back that up?
im pretty sure thief wins out in non-mechanical acuity builds. i have no math to back this up, just plenty of dummy parses and a friend with a house that has all the mundus stones
I can't speak to the math exactly but the reasoning is that with Siroria it's better to have more crit on top of the now really high spell damage rather than just stacking more flat spell damage.0 -
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The crit RNG on that parse is also really high, so not sure if it really represents an average parse.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »AEAltadoonPadhome wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
How do you have 80% crit?
Edit: I see, thief, why you running thief? Surely apprentice would be more DPS.
No, thief is better on magblade in most situations.
He's running BSW frontbar, MS 5 piece, and zaan.
I'm surprised to see this much dps without Siroria, though.
You got math to back that up? Not that I don't believe you, I run shadow on mine to be different (and I never get anywhere close to that DPS, mostly cause that light attack damage is non-existent for more cause I am terribad at weaving) but there are people that care about getting every bit.
And to just point out, that is a 3 mill dummy parse, so pretty much burst damage.
Not that 49k isn't badass in every possible way. Just not sure it's a true representation or one exceptional parse.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Weisstag✭✭✭well my crit rate is 79% at avarage so 76ish is what i get basically all the timeIam an EU player...so Iam pretty used to suffering0
