Officially a Mag Sorc main now.

lelink88 · June 2018

Asmael wrote: »

*Equips Shieldbreaker and Sload*

LoL

Stibbons · June 2018

Ankael07 wrote: »

You guys should elaborate on why exactly the class is overperforming. Otherwise you'll only look like a bunch of whiners who dont even know why their enemy is powerful

1. Shieldstacking on full dps spec. Easy to maintain.
2. Five second 28 meter stun with insane dps or automatic stun if attacked
3. Best mobility in game with cc on it or immune to ranged attacks.
4. Proc set behaiving pets if in pet spec.
5. Best house consepth, better than Templars.

Mainly problems are the op stun mechanics and shieldstacking. You can either go full out dps and still be tanky as hell or go sustain and maintain those shields endlessly streaking forever.

Mureel · June 2018

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

You guys should elaborate on why exactly the class is overperforming. Otherwise you'll only look like a bunch of whiners who dont even know why their enemy is powerful

rune cage. enough said.

Lol. Not really.

Feanor · June 2018

Stibbons wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

You guys should elaborate on why exactly the class is overperforming. Otherwise you'll only look like a bunch of whiners who dont even know why their enemy is powerful

1. Shieldstacking on full dps spec. Easy to maintain.
2. Five second 28 meter stun with insane dps or automatic stun if attacked
3. Best mobility in game with cc on it or immune to ranged attacks.
4. Proc set behaiving pets if in pet spec.
5. Best house consepth, better than Templars.

Mainly problems are the op stun mechanics and shieldstacking. You can either go full out dps and still be tanky as hell or go sustain and maintain those shields endlessly streaking forever.

1. Running a full damage build means base regen. While you can maintain the shields thanks to Harness Magicka refunds vs magicka chars this is most certainly not easy vs stamina chars. Unless you just want to delay your deaths by a few seconds.
2. Now Defensive Rune is OP too. Funny. Also I wouldn’t call 3 to 5k damage on Rune Cage „insane“.
3. The best mobility in the game is Forward Momentum and Major Expedition (Speed Pots).
4. Whatever that means
5. Mines are no Templar House. Also, the Templar House isn’t what it used to be.

Frankly, just seeing how Sorc complaints are worded already shows the bias.

Biro123 · June 2018

LegacyDM wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

You guys should elaborate on why exactly the class is overperforming. Otherwise you'll only look like a bunch of whiners who dont even know why their enemy is powerful

rune cage. enough said.

Rune Cage only seems overpowered to players to who are used to blocking or roll dodging their way out of trouble. Sorcs hardly get to do either of those things, so Rune Cage doesn't seem much different than other CCs to us.

Your biased. I've encountered you in pvp. You can easily hold your own against 2 good players without breaking a sweat.

Sorcs don't need dodging and blocking when they can easily obtain 55-60k magicka and shield stack 2 damage shields with unlimited sustain. Sorcs have it pretty easy now. Shield stack like a boss, unlimited sustain, bolt when things get bad, have massive burst potential with the best execute in the game, and cast rune cage with a meteor to top it off. Give me some more tears about how Sorcs need a buff or are under performing.

Its actually quite hard to get over 55k mag on a sorc. I've done it - but lost soo much recov/health/stam/stam recov that iots actually weaker than having less mag. There is no unlimited sustain with over 55k mag - and yes, sorcs DO need dodging/blocking.

usmguy1234 · June 2018

So many blatant lies about sorcerers in this thread. I guess all the crybabies hope Zos is to lazy to test sorc to see if it is outperforming before nerfing which is probably true. I run into maybe a couple of sorcs a night on Xbox.

Jameliel · June 2018

Lol you can tell some of the people complaining haven't played a magsorc in pvp. If they have, they definitely sucked at it. "50-60k magicka and unlimited sustain"! Haha that's a vivid imagination. Also these combos mentioned that kill them...ridiculous. if you get caught, you get caught. What's the best combo to die to? Is there some certain special combo that's acceptable, and others that aren't? If you run low on resources and get hit enough, you die. If you have low health and get hit enough, you die. Rez at a gate, keep, or fc and try again. Complaining about dying in PvP is weak. You don't complain when you stun someone and get off a perfect combo. Or do you stand back and take it easy on someone with low health or resources? >Hypocrisy< Stomp out this negative trait from yourself.

Casterial · June 2018

Sorc has Rune Cage... I think that's all it has.. Plus shields that they spam and overload, but the shields just need to be crittable if anything and overload needs a nerf.. But at least sorcs are in a good spot finally again.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

templesus wrote: »

Had to. The class is overperforming so much that there is literally no reason to play anything but it in duels, bgs and open world. I advise any other top tier pvp player do the same btw this also means i retract all my previous statements about nerfing sorc

I’d rather fight a sorc over a DK 100 times out of 100.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2018

Day 1 magblade. I leveled a magsorc a couple years ago but found the playstyle somewhat boring and had on the shelf for about a year and a half. I swapped over some gear to my magsorc last week, first BG I went 26-4-8 with no food or pots. If that says anything about sorc performance. Lol.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO · June 2018

Sorcs are one of the weakest classes right now in PvP and especially in PvE

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2018

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Day 1 magblade. I leveled a magsorc a couple years ago but found the playstyle somewhat boring and had on the shelf for about a year and a half. I swapped over some gear to my magsorc last week, first BG I went 26-4-8 with no food or pots. If that says anything about sorc performance. Lol.

There is a Hebrew Hammer on XBox who at one point was so far and away the scariest person to come across in PVP it wasn’t even close. If you are that man ... you’re scary AF. Haha.

usmguy1234 · June 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Day 1 magblade. I leveled a magsorc a couple years ago but found the playstyle somewhat boring and had on the shelf for about a year and a half. I swapped over some gear to my magsorc last week, first BG I went 26-4-8 with no food or pots. If that says anything about sorc performance. Lol.

There is a Hebrew Hammer on XBox who at one point was so far and away the scariest person to come across in PVP it wasn’t even close. If you are that man ... you’re scary AF. Haha.

Word

LegendaryMage · June 2018

templesus wrote: »

Had to. The class is overperforming so much that there is literally no reason to play anything but it in duels, bgs and open world. I advise any other top tier pvp player do the same btw this also means i retract all my previous statements about nerfing sorc

Congratulations, now do yourself a favor, make a mag NB and rename this thread into 'Officially a Mag NB Main Now'. You'll find it much more satisfying in the long run.

templesus · June 2018

Since becoming a Mag Sorc main, I am averaging 15+ kills a game in BGs with no more then 2-3 deaths, am absolutely obliterating people in duels (especially stamina builds I haven’t lost to any but this snb stam dk who was using viper Sloads and Skoria) and open world I have already saved about 3 clips, even though I don’t often go into cyrodiil anymore. My build has crazy magicka and stamina sustain and I literally don’t have to change anything from Cp to NonCp.

After switching to sorc, I actually noticed exactly how little stam builds are left amongst good players. I am actively searching for stam builds to duel so I can rune cage>meteor combo them for easy wins, but there are literally maybe one or two amongst 10 magicka players dueling at a time. It’s safe to say stamina in this game is going out the window...

Overall Mag Sorc is overperforming. Playing with other sorcs in BGs and dropping multiple atros is pure cheese and absolutely demolishes anyone who comes near. Now, this isn’t to say the class is easy mode, there is no way an entry level player would be able to even moderately compete. But as an experienced pvper I found the switch to be fairly simple, taking roughly an hour to adjust to the playstyle before truly just destroying people.

TL;DR
Mag sorc is overperforming. Seriously. I wouldn’t be saying this if it wasn’t 100% true as I do not want unneeded nerfs on this game. But something needs to be done.

Olupajmibanan · June 2018

templesus wrote: »

Since becoming a Mag Sorc main, I am averaging 15+ kills a game in BGs with no more then 2-3 deaths, am absolutely obliterating people in duels (especially stamina builds I haven’t lost to any but this snb stam dk who was using viper Sloads and Skoria) and open world I have already saved about 3 clips, even though I don’t often go into cyrodiil anymore. My build has crazy magicka and stamina sustain and I literally don’t have to change anything from Cp to NonCp.

After switching to sorc, I actually noticed exactly how little stam builds are left amongst good players. I am actively searching for stam builds to duel so I can rune cage>meteor combo them for easy wins, but there are literally maybe one or two amongst 10 magicka players dueling at a time. It’s safe to say stamina in this game is going out the window...

Overall Mag Sorc is overperforming. Playing with other sorcs in BGs and dropping multiple atros is pure cheese and absolutely demolishes anyone who comes near. Now, this isn’t to say the class is easy mode, there is no way an entry level player would be able to even moderately compete. But as an experienced pvper I found the switch to be fairly simple, taking roughly an hour to adjust to the playstyle before truly just destroying people.

TL;DR
Mag sorc is overperforming. Seriously. I wouldn’t be saying this if it wasn’t 100% true as I do not want unneeded nerfs on this game. But something needs to be done.

You said it yourself. You got wrecked by a bleed build and Sload.

On lower MMR you pretty much rock with any class. I've never played BGs with my stamden and now I am unstopable killing machine. And it is not caused by my class and spec being overperforming, but by my MMR being low.

But when you get to higher MMR stages with 10 minutes+ wait time, you will quickly realize that pretty much anyone in BGs runs a bleed build, Sload or Blockade with Infused staff and oblivion enchant. The environment in higher MMR BGs is very very magSorc unfriendly.

And when you start getting wrecked by Sload, you will switch to magplar just as I did. And then you will start crying on this forum that you are now a magplar main and it is OP because of cheap purge. Endless circle.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Day 1 magblade. I leveled a magsorc a couple years ago but found the playstyle somewhat boring and had on the shelf for about a year and a half. I swapped over some gear to my magsorc last week, first BG I went 26-4-8 with no food or pots. If that says anything about sorc performance. Lol.

There is a Hebrew Hammer on XBox who at one point was so far and away the scariest person to come across in PVP it wasn’t even close. If you are that man ... you’re scary AF. Haha.

Lol yeah man, still kicking. Saw you back on the forums, haven’t came across you in pvp yet but I’ll keep an eye out! Always good to see familiar faces haha.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2018

LegendaryMage wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Had to. The class is overperforming so much that there is literally no reason to play anything but it in duels, bgs and open world. I advise any other top tier pvp player do the same btw this also means i retract all my previous statements about nerfing sorc

Congratulations, now do yourself a favor, make a mag NB and rename this thread into 'Officially a Mag NB Main Now'. You'll find it much more satisfying in the long run.

Idk man..day 1 magblade and I hopped on my sorc, mainly because my BG MMR takes forever to get in to a game. I think the skill ceiling is much higher for a magNB. I got on my sorc after a year and a half and I’m just dominating without food, pots, many unmorphed abilities, etc. I’m thriving in pvp with him because the class in general is overperfoming and I’m no where near a top tier sorc lol. Just my two cents. MagNB shadow image change was a huge quality of life buff that we have been asking for for years, it compliments necro like PB & J

LegendaryMage · June 2018

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Had to. The class is overperforming so much that there is literally no reason to play anything but it in duels, bgs and open world. I advise any other top tier pvp player do the same btw this also means i retract all my previous statements about nerfing sorc

Congratulations, now do yourself a favor, make a mag NB and rename this thread into 'Officially a Mag NB Main Now'. You'll find it much more satisfying in the long run.

Idk man..day 1 magblade and I hopped on my sorc, mainly because my BG MMR takes forever to get in to a game. I think the skill ceiling is much higher for a magNB. I got on my sorc after a year and a half and I’m just dominating without food, pots, many unmorphed abilities, etc. I’m thriving in pvp with him because the class in general is overperfoming and I’m no where near a top tier sorc lol. Just my two cents. MagNB shadow image change was a huge quality of life buff that we have been asking for for years, it compliments necro like PB & J

I'm building a melee/ranged combo for my mag NB, I think it will be much better suited than mag sorc. The problem with most mag NB setups is that it requires simplifying in terms of skills (that's why I prefer spell power potions so less buffs to worry about), but once you do that, the power is real. In my experience sorc just has nothing to compete with a competent mag NB.

BozzyTheDrummer · June 2018

Wing wrote: »

sorcs are weak and easy to counter, just ask all the sorcs, they will tell you how weak and easy to counter they are.

We put out great amount of DPS but we are squishy as hell. What leads me to die when I am out soloing world bosses and public and group dungeons, is always the same reason. I always get cocky. By that, I mean when I get a really tough boss down to low health, I get cocky and think "oh I got this" and usually forget to heal one last time with my Twilight Matriarch, or I forgot to put up Hardened Ward when I really need it at the end, or I don't dodge quick enough.

Like last night, I was soloing normal City of Ash 1. Done it quite a few times by myself. I stick to my rotations and I'm good. There's one boss in there though, the two-hand guy above that usually casts fire around himself (not the one that summons adds when she casts fire.) This boss always knocks me down and normally, I get up, pop my ward and heal, move out of the way, and start attacking again. This fight takes the longest for me by myself because I am always having to heal and pop my ward. He always kills me at least once though, because I get cocky when his health is super low. You think I would learn from this and keep this in mind so it doesn't happen again, but here I am, making the same mistakes.

but in my opinion, sorcs put out great damage, but can taken out really easily if you're not paying attention or don't have a good healer if you're grouped up.

Jurand80 · June 2018

Gratz OP! you've selected a class best suited for killing potatos on a platform filled with casual potato fields.

thank god we have class reps now and zos doesn't need to read all this crap from forum warriors anymore.

join discord. use arguments. contribute to change.

{streaks away 20 times with 60k mag left}

ak_pvp · June 2018

Your average sorc isn't OP though, pointless nerf calls are pointless. Its a few bits with in it, and the niche OL builds.

Runecage is OP. Actually needs a nerf, no way a sorc should have an unblockable CC of that tier with their potential max burst.
Shields are bad design and need counters, but not exactly broken OP.
Wrath is annoying, but not OP
Mobility could use a buff, streak is only good as a spammable defense to get away, often too costly to repostiton on the fly like it should be

templesus · June 2018

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Since becoming a Mag Sorc main, I am averaging 15+ kills a game in BGs with no more then 2-3 deaths, am absolutely obliterating people in duels (especially stamina builds I haven’t lost to any but this snb stam dk who was using viper Sloads and Skoria) and open world I have already saved about 3 clips, even though I don’t often go into cyrodiil anymore. My build has crazy magicka and stamina sustain and I literally don’t have to change anything from Cp to NonCp.

After switching to sorc, I actually noticed exactly how little stam builds are left amongst good players. I am actively searching for stam builds to duel so I can rune cage>meteor combo them for easy wins, but there are literally maybe one or two amongst 10 magicka players dueling at a time. It’s safe to say stamina in this game is going out the window...

Overall Mag Sorc is overperforming. Playing with other sorcs in BGs and dropping multiple atros is pure cheese and absolutely demolishes anyone who comes near. Now, this isn’t to say the class is easy mode, there is no way an entry level player would be able to even moderately compete. But as an experienced pvper I found the switch to be fairly simple, taking roughly an hour to adjust to the playstyle before truly just destroying people.

TL;DR
Mag sorc is overperforming. Seriously. I wouldn’t be saying this if it wasn’t 100% true as I do not want unneeded nerfs on this game. But something needs to be done.

You said it yourself. You got wrecked by a bleed build and Sload.

On lower MMR you pretty much rock with any class. I've never played BGs with my stamden and now I am unstopable killing machine. And it is not caused by my class and spec being overperforming, but by my MMR being low.

But when you get to higher MMR stages with 10 minutes+ wait time, you will quickly realize that pretty much anyone in BGs runs a bleed build, Sload or Blockade with Infused staff and oblivion enchant. The environment in higher MMR BGs is very very magSorc unfriendly.

And when you start getting wrecked by Sload, you will switch to magplar just as I did. And then you will start crying on this forum that you are now a magplar main and it is OP because of cheap purge. Endless circle.

No, was not fighting at low MMR as I was in a premed and not group leader. Was consistent 15 min Ques. One game we went a game of all 4 people using sloads. All 4. Still, regardless of sloads disintegrating me, I was still able to have 15+ kills and dominate the playing field. Like I said, multiple atro drop in unison is broken.

Priyasekarssk · June 2018

templesus wrote: »

Had to. The class is overperforming so much that there is literally no reason to play anything but it in duels, bgs and open world. I advise any other top tier pvp player do the same btw this also means i retract all my previous statements about nerfing sorc

Just create a Sorc main and close useless threads and crying in forums. Its L2P issue. I create NB main since its so overpowered right now. Kill any class in 2 seconds. I kill mag sorcs on 1v1 on all fights. Again all fights!!! Even magic DK is bit overpowered than sorcs due to reflective armor. I dont think its problem , because magic DK struggle against stamina builds.

Just create a mag sorc for yourself if you think its overpowered. No one thinks that way. Only thing is overload needs a fix. But no one is talking about it.

Aebaradath · June 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

MinarasLaure wrote: »

Shimmering shield, that's all I need to have fun against sorc

Shhh, you are ruining the narrative. There are no counters to sorc. The only counter to sorc is wrobel so cry cry cry.

Well, the forum sure has devolved over the years.

Kalante · June 2018

^^^ by pro gamers you mean use shield breaker? lmao. Anyone using shield breaker can kill a mag sorc and you are considered not a good player if you need it to kill shield players.

Bkella · June 2018

What has changed for Sorc? Rune cage hasn't changed other than an additional what like 2k damage? Probably a lot of MagDKs upset that they are not the only one with a hard stun like fozzilize. Luckily for them you can Talons directly after......L2P issue

Hurtfan · June 2018

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Bkella wrote: »

What has changed for Sorc? Rune cage hasn't changed other than an additional what like 2k damage?

Suddenly magsorcs have the best CC, best sustain, best damage and mobility in the game...when rune cage got buffed...

Bkella · June 2018

Hurtfan wrote: »

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Bkella wrote: »

What has changed for Sorc? Rune cage hasn't changed other than an additional what like 2k damage?

Suddenly magsorcs have the best CC, best sustain, best damage and mobility in the game...when rune cage got buffed...

But like I said, what has changed from pre-patch to now? Rune cage was the exact same before as it is now but plus a negligible damage increase. Their sustain comes from sets accessible to everyone and my stamblade and stamsorc have just as much mobility if not more than. Especially when using the shade on stamnb.

Tonturri · June 2018

Bkella wrote: »

What has changed for Sorc? Rune cage hasn't changed other than an additional what like 2k damage? Probably a lot of MagDKs upset that they are not the only one with a hard stun like fozzilize. Luckily for them you can Talons directly after......L2P issue

Bkella wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

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Bkella wrote: »

What has changed for Sorc? Rune cage hasn't changed other than an additional what like 2k damage?

Suddenly magsorcs have the best CC, best sustain, best damage and mobility in the game...when rune cage got buffed...

But like I said, what has changed from pre-patch to now? Rune cage was the exact same before as it is now but plus a negligible damage increase. Their sustain comes from sets accessible to everyone and my stamblade and stamsorc have just as much mobility if not more than. Especially when using the shade on stamnb.

That's the point - almost nothing has changed and people are just whining.