Should "Trials" be under "Activity Finder"

TheForsake · June 2018

Yes

nnargun wrote: »

The feature would be abandonded by any half decent player for obvious reasons. It's easy enough to find a group in Craglorn and the fraction of total scrubs will be much smaller there.

There are less people playing on Console than PC, I don't see too many people in Craglorn shouting for trials. Even queuing for a four man dungeon on Console can take an hour sometimes (unless its a daily dungeon).

greenmachine · June 2018

Yes

People learn from failure. Commence the learning!

Tasear · June 2018

Yes

greenmachine wrote: »

People learn from failure. Commence the learning!

Fg2 used be a nightmare for some now we only laugh at the thought. People will learn through experience.

greenmachine · June 2018

Yes

Tasear wrote: »

greenmachine wrote: »

People learn from failure. Commence the learning!

Fg2 used be a nightmare for some not we only laugh at the thought. People will learn through experience.

Oh, yes. Been there.

generalmyrick · June 2018

Yes

yes as long as vet trials have a max cp requirement.

Merlin13KAGL · June 2018

Hurtfan wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUGs. It's not the end of the world.

The ones with experience know the risks. The ones getting ready to cause the impending train wreck are quite oblivious, I assure you.

Ignorance is bliss. And someone may make a friend or 2 out of it and at least get a taste of what Trials are all about. Not everyone is a social butterfly, some people are shy and have a hard time putting groups together, joining a guild or whatever.

High odds of lack of success doesn't inspire people to branch out. It's why a good group and a good trial lead are worth their weight in gold.

And, why are you worried about it? You wouldn't use this feature.

At what point did I say I wouldn't use it?

Please get your sources right.

I recommended an experience factor, because there is a vast difference between a brand new group setting foot into a brand new trial for the first time and a group with assorted levels of knowledge, experience, and successful completion.

Most that have been in trials know this. Those that have lead trials definitely know this.

If it's simply for a taste of trials, that's what norms are for. And, if you scroll back up to my actual response, you'll see that I selected option 3 and clarified why.

PrayingSeraph · June 2018

Yes

Even if you would not use it yourself, why not support having the option for those like us who want it?

Hurtfan · June 2018

Yes

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

nnargun wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

Yes, you don't have to use this feature if you don't want to. Why not have it as an option?

People who want to but don't bring the requirements will be the problem. Not people who don't want to.

Ever been in a bad trial pug? Even the Craglorn trials can get very frustrating very quickly if half of the group expects being carried spamming LAs.

People know the risks, and yes, we all have been in bad PUGs. It's not the end of the world.

The ones with experience know the risks. The ones getting ready to cause the impending train wreck are quite oblivious, I assure you.

Ignorance is bliss. And someone may make a friend or 2 out of it and at least get a taste of what Trials are all about. Not everyone is a social butterfly, some people are shy and have a hard time putting groups together, joining a guild or whatever.

High odds of lack of success doesn't inspire people to branch out. It's why a good group and a good trial lead are worth their weight in gold.

And, why are you worried about it? You wouldn't use this feature.

At what point did I say I wouldn't use it?

Please get your sources right.

I recommended an experience factor, because there is a vast difference between a brand new group setting foot into a brand new trial for the first time and a group with assorted levels of knowledge, experience, and successful completion.

Most that have been in trials know this. Those that have lead trials definitely know this.

If it's simply for a taste of trials, that's what norms are for. And, if you scroll back up to my actual response, you'll see that I selected option 3 and clarified why.

So you're telling me, after reading your posts, you would use it? I stand corrected.

There really isn't a solid argument not to have it, don't want to deal with it? Don't use it. Going a step further, there are some good players out there naturally (some people are just good at raiding in general and get it), so couldn't there be instances where the PUG might actually finish the trial?

I just don't understand why people gripe about something that wouldn't affect them in any way, shape or form.

I'll tell you right now, no way would I use it, so why would I be against it?

TheForsake · June 2018

Yes

I think the people who said no might change their minds if they had more controller over who would join/stay.

Implementing level requirements or a better vote kick would help. Maybe if the group leader could kick members of the group without a vote. Or if the vote kick only required half of the members consent (not sure if it does this already, only have been in 4 man groups).

But even without that, sure the PUG performance in the Trials would be low at first. But over time the general performance of people in Trials would go up overall because players who have never been in Trials would have some experience and begin learning the mechanics. Players who have been through them before could get more practice. It could even help retain more members in the community, offering them easier access to game modes they haven't experienced yet.

I just really don't see any reason not to implement this, other than the claim that random group members from queue perform poorly. In which case you don't have to queue.

Flaminir · June 2018

No

For normal yes... those can be pugged just fine in most cases and don't really require much communication... perhaps nHOF could be a challenge in many cases, but would allow a group finder method of getting gear.

Vet absolutley not!

The communication requirement and potential investment of time is far above that of a 4 person dungeon. Most of these would be a car crash and that would lead to a lot of player unhappiness & content then being nerfed/balanced around these pugs.

Vet trials aren't really casual content... if somebody really wants to do these then it's not really much effort to either join a guild that runs them, or get a spare spot via zone chat in an existing coordinated group. There are 100's of non-elitist runs all the time that are looking for one or two more people and post in zone.

Flaminir · June 2018

No

jabrone77 wrote: »

, there would be literally no other difference except for convenience.
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Not really... we know that one of the contributing factors ZoS uses to balance group PvE content is data from group finder such as completion rates... so if you get loads of failed pugs and unhappy punters then what's likely to happen?

More experienced players will avoid it even more... leading to more failures and showing ZoS that it's 'Too hard'.

It will get nerfed!

We've seen this happen many times with PvE dungeons.

Bbsample197 · June 2018

No

for vet? no, i dont mind normal version of the trials, i can just queue as a fake healer/tank and be done with it,if things go bad ill just leave and requeue i mean being a fake tank and healer on group finder seems to be better than asking in zone chat seems that almost all ppl are doing that in group activity finder. also its alot better than a fake dps

Juju_beans · June 2018

No

How well do you think groups will do in trials with fake healers and tanks who queue up because they don't want to wait in the dps queue ?

Mureel · June 2018

Yes

Sure. Why not? More options are more options.

Mureel · June 2018

Yes

Nifty2g wrote: »

No because you need to communicate via mic on what people are doing and what to attack.

How can healers talk to their group, how can tanks tell people what to focus.

Think about it

Everyone in a pug can get in discord the same as everyone else. That's a non issue imho.

Nifty2g · June 2018

No

Mureel wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

No because you need to communicate via mic on what people are doing and what to attack.

How can healers talk to their group, how can tanks tell people what to focus.

Think about it

Everyone in a pug can get in discord the same as everyone else. That's a non issue imho.

They can but they also can choose not to. It's a huge issue and probably why you won't see it being added.

Mureel · June 2018

Yes

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Hell no

Why not? You don't have to use it.

josiahva · June 2018

Yes

Juju_beans wrote: »

How well do you think groups will do in trials with fake healers and tanks who queue up because they don't want to wait in the dps queue ?

Not likely to happen. Considering the hate any fake tanks or healers would get from the entire group. In dungeons being a fake tank or healer really doesnt matter much(except vet DLC dungeons) so its only a problem there because they can get away with it 90% of the time...you cant get away with it even in a normal trial, much less vet.

THere is absolutely no reason this would be a bad thing(options are always good) but I also don't see it happening...we have been begging them for YEARS to put vDSA in the group finder and they never do.

Betsararie · June 2018

Trials under activity finder.

SkillzMFG · June 2018

Yes

Game is already too easy, might as well introduce 'Raid Finder' just like WoW did. So you can queue for Trials where bosses and mobs are 30-50% weaker and more 'casual' players can get all the loot.

Let's face it - the game is already going into that direction.

Glockcoma725 · June 2018

Yes

For the millionth time yes. Every time I've seen a poll dedicated to this "Yes" has won. Why hasn't this been implemented yet

theivorykitty · June 2018

Yes

Absolutely, more options for the dungeon finder is always a good thing. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. (for some trials in veteran, I probably wouldn't use it personally).

They would have to implement minimum level requirements for veteran on some of them in the same way that they do for some of the DLC dungeons.

rustic_potato · June 2018

Yes

I voted yes but this is not because it would let new players access trials. It would let experienced raiders run trials when aren't busy with other stuff. The groups formed would boil down to this, if you don't have proof of completions the players would probably be kicked out. It is not a bad thing, not everyone wants to babysit.

GW2 has lfg for raids and only experienced raiders are allowed into the groups. I would love a system like that in ESO. Knowing ZOS that is exactly what they want to avoid and hence no trial finder.

Lyss1991 · June 2018

No

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Its hard enough doing trials with a PUG as it is, Activity Finder would make that 10x worse. Picture Dungeon Finder - People hopping in queue as ALL roles to get picked up faster, And the group that gets them needs a DPS but they are a healer.

NO THANK YOU.

Leave it aloneeeeee.

Cryptical · June 2018

Yes

josiahva wrote: »

Juju_beans wrote: »

How well do you think groups will do in trials with fake healers and tanks who queue up because they don't want to wait in the dps queue ?

Not likely to happen. Considering the hate any fake tanks or healers would get from the entire group. In dungeons being a fake tank or healer really doesnt matter much(except vet DLC dungeons) so its only a problem there because they can get away with it 90% of the time...you cant get away with it even in a normal trial, much less vet.

THere is absolutely no reason this would be a bad thing(options are always good) but I also don't see it happening...we have been begging them for YEARS to put vDSA in the group finder and they never do.

Agree.

People dance at the edge of being the star of their own ‘what not to do’ video by faking a role in vet dungeons. Pulling that stunt in a normal trial is crossing the line. A dungeon is one thing, a trial - another.

Video evidence would be recorded and shared, on places other than here. Multiple incidents would evolve into a blacklist of sorts as the community could act to self-correct violators.

MattT1988 · June 2018

Yes

Only normal trials.

WhitePawPrints · June 2018

Personally I'd never use it but if others want to get their feet wet this way, then I'm not opposed to them doing it. I run trials with my guild often, and will fill with PuGs now and then. We meet great people, and I always offer for them to join the guild.

Joining the guild doesn't mean you'll get to go do the Vet Trials we schedule; obviously that has requirements that must be met. But it introduces players to trials and get them clears they'd struggle with otherwise by pugging.

I'd like more players to get trial experience with a good group, rather than facing a toxic group. More players doing trials, learning them and improving as a player, is good for the games' health.

idk · June 2018

Yes

Tasear wrote: »

greenmachine wrote: »

People learn from failure. Commence the learning!

Fg2 used be a nightmare for some now we only laugh at the thought. People will learn through experience.

You would need to clarify. FG2 used to be vet FG with no normal version. Now there is a normal version of it and the vet version was nerfed. Even before the nerf it was fine as long as the group was reasonable aware of what was going on around them.

Jameliel · June 2018

Yes

Whoever doesn't think shouldnt use group finder to run trials if it was implemented.

crjs1 · June 2018

Yes

Absolutely yes, not everyone is socially great or can coordinate time in guilds to do trials. I do think there should be CP restrictions on vet trials - or only have normal trials on activity finder.

For everyone who says it is an awful idea, well don’t queue for them.... people should at least have the option to pug them.