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Adressing PvP on Cyrodiil
Legendry
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Hello ZoS:
I'd like to adress a topic on PvP in open world Cyrodiil. This is not a rant, just what I think a bit of constructive criticism.
As I believe combat stands in a great spot at the moment. I believe all classes stand at good spots, not ideal, but good, or at least can manage. Sure we have unkillable tanks, OP shields, sloads and the such. But to my believe, and at this point, combat is as balanced as can be for a game this big. I'm a medium armor stamblade user and I feel I can manage. Of course I get blown to bits sometimes, but hey, who doesn't.
What is definetly not balanced, or at least not adressed is alliance population. That does get frustrating. An example: you run a 3 man group and go ninja some resources, hoping for a fight, 12 EP show up. You go on a siege with a 12 man, 30 Ep show up. Go gank near an outpost, get one kill, maybe two, then 20 EP show, and so on.
Being DC at heart, for the past weeks I have found myself going to fight only AD, because it feels even. EP is overwhelming, there's always too many EP, everywhere. To that point, and even that I can manage. So there are more people on EP, all right, fine for me. So if i go fight EP I know I will be overwhelmed, even that is ok.
What is not ok, from my point of view is campaign scoring. And that's what I want to adress. It doesn't feel right that overpopulation is the ultimate scoring condition. Everytime you go into Cyrodiil you can see AD with 1/3, Dc with 1/3 and EP full. Even that is fine. Doesn't feel fine that they get the same AP gain as underpopulated alliances.
So here's my proposal: you can develop an algorithm wich measures AP gain that takes into accounts population. So you should gain more AP if you get objectives being underpopulated and less AP if you are overpopulated. Not a programmer, but I believe it is possible.
For people that say: you should be able to 1vX and put out all them videos on youtube. Everyone knows that 1vX is possible only against underleveled or lousy pvpers, players that are farming AP for caltrops, vigor and the such. A 1v1 against a good pvper is more than enough to test your strenght. I have seen even those youtube stars get overwhelmed by numbers. So the true issue to balance is population and scoring.
Edit: And ZoS, I'll tell you a secret: the way most players deal with being overwhelmed is joining the overwhelming, so: many many AD and DC players get in their EP toons just for campaign rewards. This is no crime, of course. But it's sad that the only workaround for this topic is that one. You might say: make yourself an EP toon, win campaign and shut up. Ok, true. I guess I'm just romantic.
Edited by Legendry on June 13, 2018 6:38PM I'd like to adress a topic on PvP in open world Cyrodiil. This is not a rant, just what I think a bit of constructive criticism.
As I believe combat stands in a great spot at the moment. I believe all classes stand at good spots, not ideal, but good, or at least can manage. Sure we have unkillable tanks, OP shields, sloads and the such. But to my believe, and at this point, combat is as balanced as can be for a game this big. I'm a medium armor stamblade user and I feel I can manage. Of course I get blown to bits sometimes, but hey, who doesn't.
What is definetly not balanced, or at least not adressed is alliance population. That does get frustrating. An example: you run a 3 man group and go ninja some resources, hoping for a fight, 12 EP show up. You go on a siege with a 12 man, 30 Ep show up. Go gank near an outpost, get one kill, maybe two, then 20 EP show, and so on.
Being DC at heart, for the past weeks I have found myself going to fight only AD, because it feels even. EP is overwhelming, there's always too many EP, everywhere. To that point, and even that I can manage. So there are more people on EP, all right, fine for me. So if i go fight EP I know I will be overwhelmed, even that is ok.
What is not ok, from my point of view is campaign scoring. And that's what I want to adress. It doesn't feel right that overpopulation is the ultimate scoring condition. Everytime you go into Cyrodiil you can see AD with 1/3, Dc with 1/3 and EP full. Even that is fine. Doesn't feel fine that they get the same AP gain as underpopulated alliances.
So here's my proposal: you can develop an algorithm wich measures AP gain that takes into accounts population. So you should gain more AP if you get objectives being underpopulated and less AP if you are overpopulated. Not a programmer, but I believe it is possible.
For people that say: you should be able to 1vX and put out all them videos on youtube. Everyone knows that 1vX is possible only against underleveled or lousy pvpers, players that are farming AP for caltrops, vigor and the such. A 1v1 against a good pvper is more than enough to test your strenght. I have seen even those youtube stars get overwhelmed by numbers. So the true issue to balance is population and scoring.
Edit: And ZoS, I'll tell you a secret: the way most players deal with being overwhelmed is joining the overwhelming, so: many many AD and DC players get in their EP toons just for campaign rewards. This is no crime, of course. But it's sad that the only workaround for this topic is that one. You might say: make yourself an EP toon, win campaign and shut up. Ok, true. I guess I'm just romantic.
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Karivaa✭✭✭✭✭Ep is taking advantage of the fact cyrodiil is broken right now, at least on console. Wait until it is fixed.0
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Zelos✭✭✭✭✭It's clear ZOS doesnt want to promote a 1vX open world pvp as it probably seems cheeky to new players how 1 person could kill 8 or 9 without hacks, but whatever the reason it doesn't matter. The addressed nightblade 1vX by adding sloads (may God have mercy on zos souls for such cancer) and to add insult to injury there fix was increasing its cooldown by 1 whole entire second. I'm guessing Zos wants to promote this as a war and unfortunately in a war there isn't 1 guy killing 8 or 9 people while capturing a resource, it's about large scale battles which by the way dont work on their current server becuase of latency problems and lag. I think that zos need to re-define open world pvp as right now its painful to play and as probably more than half of the end game players being pvp their servers have started to lose players, especially when alot of people I know are turning to other MMOs like Guild Wars 2 because the lag in cyrodiil has become a all time high and people are tired of it. Names in cyrodiil you see start to disappear. I myself am fed up with the lag and the lack of care on ZOSs end, no updates to open world cyrodiil as people constantly complain about balance when you can't eve n cast skills in cyrodiil atm. I think they need to re-define cyrodiil as its really *** atm.Aeonhack - AD Stamina Nightblade - 5 Star General
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