PVP Tier List for 1vX Cyrodiil (Opinion)

CyrusArya · June 2018

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

No, it doesn’t, because player skill is variable. Among equally skilled players, 1vX is not possible. Therefore, the game is balanced fine in this regard. If there is a gulf in skill or effective power in a fight, it should show. Otherwise the game is artificially skewing performance with a handicap which is what shouldn’t be a thing.

Drdeath20 · June 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

What's S Tier mean? Stamina lol?

I feel that he is using the rabking system from the anime cartoon series "one punch man"

S tier was the best followed alphabetically by A, B, C etc

Drdeath20 · June 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

What's S Tier mean? Stamina lol?

I feel that he is using the ranking system from the anime cartoon series "one punch man"

S tier was the best followed alphabetically by A, B, C etc

Thogard · June 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Stamsorc is in A tier. Against a skilled player a magsorc will not have as much of a chance when facing some of the S tier or A tier rated specs.

Skilled players are not getting 1vXed regardless...

Sorc may struggle against wardens, but your run of the mill stamblade is one of the easiest kills for mag sorcs, so I don’t agree with that logic. I don’t think Sorc should be ranked that low personally. Especially not this patch of all patches.

Remember, this ranking system assumes that the player is at max capability and far from your "run of the mill" stamblade.

I agree.

There’s a reason why 80%ish of the top streamers are on sNB now.

Mag sorc is strong now but it’s still vulnerable to Xv1.

The only thing I disagree on is Stam DK placement. I think it should be higher.

Brutusmax1mus · June 2018

CrazYDunm3r wrote: »

In my opinion a 1vX is not multiple 1v1's as I see often on YouTube for example. I would say a MagDK (especially on no CP) is A tier.

Depends on the situation. If you manipulate the battle field with los to force an encounter vs 1 of the x charging you, it's still an x.

But, face tanking x players requires blocking unless they're awful. Stam warden and Dks have the best toolkit for it.

CatchMeTrolling · June 2018

Yeah stam dk shouldn’t be in the same category as magden nor is it lower than a magplar.

_Ahala_ · June 2018

When Stamden does a 1vX people shrug it off, but when Magden does a 1vX people lose their minds

Durham · June 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

For 1vX I would put all Stam classes and mag sorc higher than the other 4 Magicka builds. With probably Stamden number 1 followed by stamblade and mag sorc. Then Stam dk, Stam sorc and stamplar all being about even. And then the other 4 Magicka classes are all pretty much even with magplar probably being the worse

Mag DK > Stam DK unless you count the ability to sprint away after failing to kill a mag DK... then yea stam dk is better lol...

BohnT · June 2018

Durham wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

For 1vX I would put all Stam classes and mag sorc higher than the other 4 Magicka builds. With probably Stamden number 1 followed by stamblade and mag sorc. Then Stam dk, Stam sorc and stamplar all being about even. And then the other 4 Magicka classes are all pretty much even with magplar probably being the worse

Mag DK > Stam DK unless you count the ability to sprint away after failing to kill a mag DK... then yea stam dk is better lol...

still won't get away from the zurg

ak_pvp · June 2018

Durham wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

For 1vX I would put all Stam classes and mag sorc higher than the other 4 Magicka builds. With probably Stamden number 1 followed by stamblade and mag sorc. Then Stam dk, Stam sorc and stamplar all being about even. And then the other 4 Magicka classes are all pretty much even with magplar probably being the worse

Mag DK > Stam DK unless you count the ability to sprint away after failing to kill a mag DK... then yea stam dk is better lol...

Ha jokes on you my MagDK can sprint too.

fred4 · June 2018

_Ahala_ wrote: »

When Stamden does a 1vX people shrug it off, but when Magden does a 1vX people lose their minds

Yeah, but Blobs' "magden" is more of a health tank

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Thogard · June 2018

fred4 wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

When Stamden does a 1vX people shrug it off, but when Magden does a 1vX people lose their minds

Yeah, but Blobs' "magden" is more of a health tank .

Those builds are blazing shieldplars with the same/similar DPS, less burst but more debuffs/snares

Lexxypwns · June 2018

Thogard wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

When Stamden does a 1vX people shrug it off, but when Magden does a 1vX people lose their minds

Yeah, but Blobs' "magden" is more of a health tank .

Those builds are blazing shieldplars with the same/similar DPS, less burst but more debuffs/snares

He should probably drop Duroks for Lich/DR and use harmony jewels tbh. Then all you need is some talons to synergy and it blows old Blazing Shield builds out the water.

Press X for your burst is better than light attack bash for your burst

Knowledge · June 2018

Updated StamDK to C tier.

_Ahala_ · June 2018

fred4 wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

When Stamden does a 1vX people shrug it off, but when Magden does a 1vX people lose their minds

Yeah, but Blobs' "magden" is more of a health tank .

Magden? That was an oblivion damage Healthden that blobs created with a rather clickbaity title to prove a point about Sloads... It’s no more a Magden than a Healthplar is a Magplar or a Health DK is a Magdk

Thogard · June 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

When Stamden does a 1vX people shrug it off, but when Magden does a 1vX people lose their minds

Yeah, but Blobs' "magden" is more of a health tank .

Those builds are blazing shieldplars with the same/similar DPS, less burst but more debuffs/snares

He should probably drop Duroks for Lich/DR and use harmony jewels tbh. Then all you need is some talons to synergy and it blows old Blazing Shield builds out the water.

Press X for your burst is better than light attack bash for your burst

Synergies scale off of the activator’s stats, not the casters stats. These health stacked builds are crap for it. You have to run harmony on a DPS

thankyourat · June 2018

Durham wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

For 1vX I would put all Stam classes and mag sorc higher than the other 4 Magicka builds. With probably Stamden number 1 followed by stamblade and mag sorc. Then Stam dk, Stam sorc and stamplar all being about even. And then the other 4 Magicka classes are all pretty much even with magplar probably being the worse

Mag DK > Stam DK unless you count the ability to sprint away after failing to kill a mag DK... then yea stam dk is better lol...

Well the ability to Sprint is a huge plus for solo pvp as well is the ability to Dodge roll. But Stam dk also has a gap closer and a execute which mag dk lacks which is a big deal for a melee character in solo PvP. I'm not saying Stam dk is better than mag dk overall. I'm saying in this one scenario (1vX) Stam dk is better

BohnT · June 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

For 1vX I would put all Stam classes and mag sorc higher than the other 4 Magicka builds. With probably Stamden number 1 followed by stamblade and mag sorc. Then Stam dk, Stam sorc and stamplar all being about even. And then the other 4 Magicka classes are all pretty much even with magplar probably being the worse

Mag DK > Stam DK unless you count the ability to sprint away after failing to kill a mag DK... then yea stam dk is better lol...

Well the ability to Sprint is a huge plus for solo pvp as well is the ability to Dodge roll. But Stam dk also has a gap closer and a execute which mag dk lacks which is a big deal for a melee character in solo PvP. I'm not saying Stam dk is better than mag dk overall. I'm saying in this one scenario (1vX) Stam dk is better

Magdk has the best gapcloser in the game.
Fire damage, undodgeable, grants 2 Stacks of empower

Stamdk is a lot worse than magdk especially for 1vX because you don't have the ability to nuke people fast, it doesn't help that you can kite better if you can't kill the once you separate from the group fast enough.
Also stamdk is more vulnerable to bleeds, defiles and ranged skills all of which a magdk with resto can counter much better due to more healing, access to healing ward and a lot more pressure.

The only thing that is making it harder for people to 1vX on magdk is that they start to fight in open field and then fail to reach a LoS position, in a tower, alessia bridge, mail gate etc magdk is one of the best and easiest classes to 1vX.

Ishammael · June 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

S Tier: Stamden, Stamblade
A Tier: Stamsorc, Magblade, magsorc
B Tier: Stamplar, StamDK
C Tier: MagDK, Magplar
D Tier: MagDen

Adjusted to what I think
mSorc is totally solid. Despite some buggy-ness, can't count out BE. The changes to rune cage easily make it an A.
Access to Stam Heavy sets (Fury / 7th), Major Defile, and Corrosive makes sDK solid B tier IMO. I would hear an argument for B- tier, but definitely better than solo mDK or mTemp.

mDK, mTemp, mWard all suffer from the same problem: mobility.

It would be interesting to see what the group consensus would be on the following other PvP scenarios

1. Small group =< 6
2. Large group > 6
3. Duels

Jierdanit · June 2018

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

Lol. So you think that 1 good player shouldnt be able to kill multiple far worse players?!?!
1vX is not done against equally skills players, because you have no chance to win that, but against players far worse than the 1vXer.

Knowledge · June 2018

Jierdanit wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

Lol. So you think that 1 good player shouldnt be able to kill multiple far worse players?!?!
1vX is not done against equally skills players, because you have no chance to win that, but against players far worse than the 1vXer.

It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.

You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu

Thogard · June 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

Lol. So you think that 1 good player shouldnt be able to kill multiple far worse players?!?!
1vX is not done against equally skills players, because you have no chance to win that, but against players far worse than the 1vXer.

It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.

You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu

One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.

Knowledge · June 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

Lol. So you think that 1 good player shouldnt be able to kill multiple far worse players?!?!
1vX is not done against equally skills players, because you have no chance to win that, but against players far worse than the 1vXer.

It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.

You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu

One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.

Do you disagree?

Thogard · June 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

Lol. So you think that 1 good player shouldnt be able to kill multiple far worse players?!?!
1vX is not done against equally skills players, because you have no chance to win that, but against players far worse than the 1vXer.

It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.

You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu

One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.

Do you disagree?

No, which is what makes me so curious.

Knowledge · June 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

Gprime31 wrote: »

1vx should not be a thing, means balance is broken

Lol. So you think that 1 good player shouldnt be able to kill multiple far worse players?!?!
1vX is not done against equally skills players, because you have no chance to win that, but against players far worse than the 1vXer.

It can be done against similarly skilled players if you capitalize on their mistakes.

You can also kill one or two and disengage if you're good enough.

“Opportunities multiply as they are seized.” ― Sun Tzu

One of these days we’ll figure out your @ name in game so we can view posts like that in context.

Do you disagree?

No, which is what makes me so curious.

Just because I am stating a fact about a 1vX situation with equally skilled players does not mean I am claiming to be some famous PVPer or that I 1vX the top 1%.

Koensol · June 2018

Magdk C tier? Please... Magsorc and Magdk both need to be higher on this list. I'd go as far as to say magsorc should be S tier in the current patch. The amount of unavoidable burst they can put out is ridiculous atm. It is the most easy mode class in the game. Stamblade undoubtedly is very strong still, but not S tier at the moment with the amount of sloads users out there and the overall increased damage done.

Betsararie · June 2018

Meh.

I think the list is pretty spot on but stam sorc is a little too high and I don't believe that mag sorc is better than both DKs.

If stamblade is S Stam DK isn't too far behind imo but stam DK wouldn't be S.

So I'd arrange it something like this (assuming CP PVP):

S: Stamden, Stamblade
A: Stam DK, Stamplar, Magblade
B: Mag DK, Mag Sorc
C: Magplar, stam sorc
D :Magden

So, this is factoring in both survivability and burst as equally powered factors because that is the way I look at it.

Knowledge · June 2018

Blanco wrote: »

Meh.

I think the list is pretty spot on but stam sorc is a little too high and I don't believe that mag sorc is better than both DKs.

If stamblade is S Stam DK isn't too far behind imo but stam DK wouldn't be S.

So I'd arrange it something like this (assuming CP PVP):

S: Stamden, Stamblade
A: Stam DK, Stamplar, Magblade
B: Mag DK, Mag Sorc
C: Magplar, stam sorc
D :Magden

So, this is factoring in both survivability and burst as equally powered factors because that is the way I look at it.

There's absolutely no way Stam DK is A tier. The class lacks a lot of tools that others have. Most skilled players can just wait for it to "blow out" or run out of resources and put it to sleep. It relies heavily on proc sets, like many stam classes, and just can't do enough to 1vX reliably - even in good hands.

StamSorc has very good burst potential and high sustain through dark deal enabling a skilled player to keep "going" while getting kills before blowing out. Mag DK lacks mobility and will blow out similarly to the Stam DK unless it is facing really, really bad people.

Betsararie · June 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Meh.

I think the list is pretty spot on but stam sorc is a little too high and I don't believe that mag sorc is better than both DKs.

If stamblade is S Stam DK isn't too far behind imo but stam DK wouldn't be S.

So I'd arrange it something like this (assuming CP PVP):

S: Stamden, Stamblade
A: Stam DK, Stamplar, Magblade
B: Mag DK, Mag Sorc
C: Magplar, stam sorc
D :Magden

So, this is factoring in both survivability and burst as equally powered factors because that is the way I look at it.

There's absolutely no way Stam DK is A tier. The class lacks a lot of tools that others have. Most skilled players can just wait for it to "blow out" or run out of resources and put it to sleep. It relies heavily on proc sets, like many stam classes, and just can't do enough to 1vX reliably - even in good hands.

StamSorc has very good burst potential and high sustain through dark deal enabling a skilled player to keep "going" while getting kills before blowing out. Mag DK lacks mobility and will blow out similarly to the Stam DK unless it is facing really, really bad people.

Okay, putting Stam DK in A was too strong.... noted.

It's a point that Stam DK is not properly enabled in some ways compared to some classes such as, hmm stamden. but yea.

True Mag DK mobility is some of the worst.

Really good list though good thread concept lets keep it rolling.

ATomiX96 · June 2018

idk personally I don't think magblade deserves A tier especially with sloads (which everyone and their granny is running) breaking cloak and also taking into consideration that sorc is "just" B tier, I wouldnt place magblade higher.