Integrate crown gift trading into the official interface

Aliyavana · June 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

UPDATE: IT IS ALLOWED, AND ZOS CAN INTERVENE IF YOU ARE SCAMMED IN SOME CASES!

Greetings,

Thank you for your inquiry. The forums post you cited in your most recent response is our official stance on the matter.

Trading of in-game items for other in-game items is allowed; trading of in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.

However, keep in mind that the player market in The Elder Scrolls Online is a "buyer beware" market, and not every trader is trustworthy!

When engaging in a trade with a player, it is best to ensure that the agreement occurs within an in-game channel such as text chat. If the agreement occurs outside of the game, Customer Support is unable to properly investigate – and if we can’t investigate, we may not be able to help!

If you find yourself a victim of a trade scam and have taken the necessary precautions to protect yourself, Customer Support may be able to intervene and investigate a scam trade. Click on this article (https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6172 ) for further details.

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The above is from the same support ticket I mentioned in my original post

From another thread, crown gift to gold and item trading is now allowed, but there will likely be a lot of scammers now into this buyer beware market and so a lot more tickets will be sent out and take up supports time. Save everyone time and please integrate a C.O.D and item delivery system for the agreed upon item, this would prevent scams from occuring. Or remove B.O.P from crown items

Note: This thread isn't about if you think its p2w or zos should remove it, but how to improve the current system to prevent scamming

Jaeysa · June 2018

I would love a CoD for crown gifts! Would make everything so much more streamlined.

OmniDo · June 2018

I agree with this idea as well.
Although it seems blatantly contrary to the definition and concept of a "Gift", it would facilitate an insurance policy for the exchange, thus mitigating the budget-sink for ZOS.

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

I agree. While some might disagree with crown store trading in principle, the fact remains that as it's already here, the least we can do is ensure it is safe as possible for both parties.

I was almost scammed in the past couple of hours, and even the attempt left me pissed off. Nothing to do with crown store stuff (some guy codded me some "Aetherial Dust" which later turned out to be flour), but the fact remains that scammers suck echatere balls and ZOS should be putting as many measures in place as possible to stop them from doing this crap.

AlienatedGoat · June 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

UPDATE: IT IS ALLOWED, AND ZOS CAN INTERVENE IF YOU ARE SCAMMED IN SOME CASES!

Greetings,

Thank you for your inquiry. The forums post you cited in your most recent response is our official stance on the matter.

Trading of in-game items for other in-game items is allowed; trading of in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.

However, keep in mind that the player market in The Elder Scrolls Online is a "buyer beware" market, and not every trader is trustworthy!

When engaging in a trade with a player, it is best to ensure that the agreement occurs within an in-game channel such as text chat. If the agreement occurs outside of the game, Customer Support is unable to properly investigate – and if we can’t investigate, we may not be able to help!

If you find yourself a victim of a trade scam and have taken the necessary precautions to protect yourself, Customer Support may be able to intervene and investigate a scam trade. Click on this article (https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6172 ) for further details.

As always, Please review the full Terms of Service and Code Of Conduct which is linked in this message for your reference.

Terms of Service - https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service
Code of Conduct - https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Warm Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online Team

Keep an eye on our official Facebook, Twitter, and website for upcoming news about The Elder Scrolls Online, including release-date info:
https://www.facebook.com/ElderScrollsOnline
http://twitter.com/TESOnline
http://elderscrollsonline.com

The above is from the same support ticket I mentioned in my original post

From another thread, crown gift to gold and item trading is now allowed, but there will likely be a lot of scammers now into this buyer beware market and so a lot more tickets will be sent out and take up supports time. Save everyone time and please integrate a C.O.D and item delivery system for the agreed upon item, this would prevent scams from occuring

Note: This thread isn't about if you think its p2w or zos should remove it, but how to improve the current system to prevent scamming

Yup. Literally all that needs to be done is to change the Crown items into tradeable objects. They are already objects in the UI. Now we just need them to be tradeable/transferrable.

I'd like to see them integrated completely, and tradeable, as well as listable in guild traders. Make them a part of the economy and bring the risk of getting scammed to near zero.

AlienatedGoat · June 2018

OmniDo wrote: »

I agree with this idea as well.
Although it seems blatantly contrary to the definition and concept of a "Gift", it would facilitate an insurance policy for the exchange, thus mitigating the budget-sink for ZOS.

On Steam, "gifts" are just another item. You can trade them through the trading UI, though there is a 30-day restriction before you're able to do so.

I'd like to see something similar done here. It's 100% doable, and would take very little work compared to the work done for the gifting system itself.

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

the fact remains that scammers suck echatere balls and ZOS should be putting as many measures in place as possible to stop them from doing this crap.

Agreed. ZOS shouldn't be encouraging or allowing a situation that gives scammers a foothold.

They need to do this the right way.

MyNameIsElias · June 2018

So, might be a stupid question, but if i wanted to pay gold for someone to gift me a mundus stone for my house, that would be completely fine with the terms of service?

AlienatedGoat · June 2018

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

So, might be a stupid question, but if i wanted to pay gold for someone to gift me a mundus stone for my house, that would be completely fine with the terms of service?

Yes. ZOS has made a statement that confirms that as long as no real currency is involved, it is allowed.

Their Terms of Service say the same. Only trading for real currency is illicit.

Simit · June 2018

If its allowed then some sort of packaging feature should have been implemented to save themselves an us headaches

Bhaal5 · June 2018

They allow gold farmer and trader mafia spend RL money to ghost sell traders? Why would they care about scammers in crown trading? Just fall under the "buyer beware" or "do at own risk"

AlienatedGoat · June 2018

Bhaal5 wrote: »

They allow gold farmer and trader mafia spend RL money to ghost sell traders? Why would they care about scammers in crown trading? Just fall under the "buyer beware" or "do at own risk"

They don't "allow" gold farmers or bots. Bots in any game are a plague and very difficult to control. We're lucky we don't see more of them.

The ghost guild trader issue is completely separate. It's not a scam, but an unintended exploit of a feature meant to make traders more accessible.

ZOS should care about scammers in Crown-item trading because they are the ones who made this situation. They need to take control of it and do this the right way. It's not fair to the players to introduce a system like this halfassedly and then take a hands-off approach when problems arise.

Aliyavana · June 2018

Phage wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

They allow gold farmer and trader mafia spend RL money to ghost sell traders? Why would they care about scammers in crown trading? Just fall under the "buyer beware" or "do at own risk"

They don't "allow" gold farmers or bots. Bots in any game are a plague and very difficult to control. We're lucky we don't see more of them.

The ghost guild trader issue is completely separate. It's not a scam, but an unintended exploit of a feature meant to make traders more accessible.

ZOS should care about scammers in Crown-item trading because they are the ones who made this situation. They need to take control of it and do this the right way. It's not fair to the players to introduce a system like this halfassedly and then take a hands-off approach when problems arise.

and to add onto that, gold to crown trading would hurt illegal gold sellers profits as they will have to adjust their gold to be cheaper than the ingame conversion rate. We saw this in wow where now there is an official exchange and less people were likely to go to an illegal source

NickStern · June 2018

They made gifting so you can gift to people items. It was not intended that you sell those items. People that must take everything to the most extreme point of absurdity deserve what ever risk is involved.

Caveat Emptor

Aliyavana · June 2018

NickStern wrote: »

They made gifting so you can gift to people items. It was not intended that you sell those items. People that must take everything to the most extreme point of absurdity deserve what ever risk is involved.

Caveat Emptor

it was confirmed that you are allowed to trade gold and items for crown gifts, I only want the ui to be improved to save time for both players and zos

NickStern · June 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

NickStern wrote: »

They made gifting so you can gift to people items. It was not intended that you sell those items. People that must take everything to the most extreme point of absurdity deserve what ever risk is involved.

Caveat Emptor

it was confirmed that you are allowed to trade gold and items for crown gifts, I only want the ui to be improved to save time for both players and zos

Never said it was not allowed. Just Not intended to be used to sell Gifts. Look up the term Gift.
It will not cost ZOS time as any complaints of being scammed will just (should Just) be ignored.

VaranisArano · June 2018

If ZOS is going to allow gifts for gold trading, they really do need to be clear about that and make it less "At-Your-Own-Risk."

As it is, I think it'd be interesting if two people set up a test case for ZOS where they "traded" a crown gift for gold and one,or the other person "scammed" the other one just to see how support handles it.

Or, you know, ZOS could prepare ahead of time for the inevitable scams people have,been warning about ever since this was announced...

Nah, its ZOS. Prepare ahead of time, whyever would they do that?

AlnilamE · June 2018

And what happens if you are not trading crowns for gold, but rather for a 'service' like Skyreach carries or achievement runs for dungoens? How do you make an interface for that?

Revokus · June 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

UPDATE: IT IS ALLOWED, AND ZOS CAN INTERVENE IF YOU ARE SCAMMED IN SOME CASES!

Greetings,

Thank you for your inquiry. The forums post you cited in your most recent response is our official stance on the matter.

Trading of in-game items for other in-game items is allowed; trading of in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.

However, keep in mind that the player market in The Elder Scrolls Online is a "buyer beware" market, and not every trader is trustworthy!

When engaging in a trade with a player, it is best to ensure that the agreement occurs within an in-game channel such as text chat. If the agreement occurs outside of the game, Customer Support is unable to properly investigate – and if we can’t investigate, we may not be able to help!

If you find yourself a victim of a trade scam and have taken the necessary precautions to protect yourself, Customer Support may be able to intervene and investigate a scam trade. Click on this article (https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6172 ) for further details.

As always, Please review the full Terms of Service and Code Of Conduct which is linked in this message for your reference.

Terms of Service - https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service
Code of Conduct - https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
Thank you for your continued interest and support!

Warm Regards,
The Elder Scrolls Online Team

Keep an eye on our official Facebook, Twitter, and website for upcoming news about The Elder Scrolls Online, including release-date info:
https://www.facebook.com/ElderScrollsOnline
http://twitter.com/TESOnline
http://elderscrollsonline.com

The above is from the same support ticket I mentioned in my original post

From another thread, crown gift to gold and item trading is now allowed, but there will likely be a lot of scammers now into this buyer beware market and so a lot more tickets will be sent out and take up supports time. Save everyone time and please integrate a C.O.D and item delivery system for the agreed upon item, this would prevent scams from occuring. Or remove B.O.P from crown items

Note: This thread isn't about if you think its p2w or zos should remove it, but how to improve the current system to prevent scamming

C.O.D is a great idea. I hope ZOS implements it one day as a choice with the gift option to stay the same as it is. @ZOS_GinaBruno

AlienatedGoat · June 2018

NickStern wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

NickStern wrote: »

They made gifting so you can gift to people items. It was not intended that you sell those items. People that must take everything to the most extreme point of absurdity deserve what ever risk is involved.

Caveat Emptor

it was confirmed that you are allowed to trade gold and items for crown gifts, I only want the ui to be improved to save time for both players and zos

Never said it was not allowed. Just Not intended to be used to sell Gifts. Look up the term Gift.
It will not cost ZOS time as any complaints of being scammed will just (should Just) be ignored.

Again, "gift" is a term used for tradeable items elsewhere as well, such as Steam.

Intentions mean little in the face of changing circumstances. You learn to adapt.

ZOS did this before with things like animation cancelling. They are fully capable of amending their intentions again.

There is no reasonable argument for allowing a situation to exist that enables scammers, when all it takes is a little effort to prevent it.

KruxAF · July 2018

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

So, might be a stupid question, but if i wanted to pay gold for someone to gift me a mundus stone for my house, that would be completely fine with the terms of service?

YES. my gt is kruxaf

Ever since gifting was a thing, ive had over 5 m in transactions but have only received the proper photos from buyers for 1m of that. All done in game for 125g-200 per crown based on the amount. The more crowns needed the less you pay

Ragged_Claw · July 2018

Yes this really needs to be implemented. I'm gold rich but crown poor, I'd have liked to buy the Tsaeci motif from someone but was too wary and I didn't want to ask in my guilds because I know some people dislike the idea. Even better would be if we could convert gold to crowns through the crown store, this would cut out the middle man and any chance of being scammed and allow the gift system to be what it was designed for - gifting. For now I'm just going to have to stop spending my crowns and save for the next 'limited time' item...

EvilCroc · July 2018

Just a little tiny COD would be nice.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · July 2018

Cash on delivery on a Gift is, per se, a paradox.

But essentially, the game is evolving into legalizing buying hard currency with soft currency.

KruxAF · July 2018

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

Yes this really needs to be implemented. I'm gold rich but crown poor, I'd have liked to buy the Tsaeci motif from someone but was too wary and I didn't want to ask in my guilds because I know some people dislike the idea. Even better would be if we could convert gold to crowns through the crown store, this would cut out the middle man and any chance of being scammed and allow the gift system to be what it was designed for - gifting. For now I'm just going to have to stop spending my crowns and save for the next 'limited time' item...

My gt is KRUXAF

I can provide photos to vouch for my most recent 850k transactions.

I will gift the motif first, as an act of good faith and future repeat purchases...

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

They really should have just let everything be BoE now since its possible to actually sell it easier in game now with the whole "Gifting", make everything BoE, stop all the scam tickets and start working on the game more ^