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The game is now Pay to win thanks to crowns for gold in game.
skywarnmc27
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"A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item" So people can spend a ton of RL money, and guild members can gift crown items for in game gold. This is seriously going to SCREW up the entire game, and trading system.
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭What exactly will someone buy with crowns that makes the game "pay to win" ?
Did zos put super exclusive crown only OP gear/weapons on the store and I missed it ?118 -
skywarnmc27✭✭✭It will severly hurt the trading system in the game...Motifs, costumes, char slots, backpack upgrades etc etc....now a guild can sell those for gold to increase their gold. Watch trade bids be 100 million or 150 million before to long.5
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is allowed in GW2 and the game is fine. In fact, you can even list gems (GW2 equivalent of crowns) directly on the auction house and sell them for gold.
The lack of a systen to trade crowns for gold in ESO means it won't happen very often. It's incredibly easy to scam someone. This will be reserved for rare instances only between parties that trust each other.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 8, 2018 10:23PM8 -
imnotanother✭✭✭✭✭
✭Does anyone know what “Pay to Win” really means?
These threads pop up constantly and are never close to describing a pay to win situation.PS4: NA - AD PSN: imnotanother (Artell Lyeselle)
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »It will severly hurt the trading system in the game...Motifs, costumes, char slots, backpack upgrades etc etc....now a guild can sell those for gold to increase their gold. Watch trade bids be 100 million or 150 million before to long.
So a guild increases their gold. What does that matter to you ? And how is that "pay to win' ?
Trade bids of 100 million for what ? You cannot put crown items on guild traders.
And if someone wants to give a guild master 100 million gold for a 5K crown banker dude so what ?
How does that hurt you ?
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JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭I don't think it's going to destroy anything. I think people are way overestimating how many people will actually do this. People still need to buy crowns in order to engage in this. Which means spending $$$, something this community hates to do.
I think we're good tbh. But we'll see. I'm not worried though.4 -
Gprime31✭✭✭✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »It will severly hurt the trading system in the game...Motifs, costumes, char slots, backpack upgrades etc etc....now a guild can sell those for gold to increase their gold. Watch trade bids be 100 million or 150 million before to long.
It needed this so I don’t have to pay your inflated prices. I’m glad, they need more like this5 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
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^^^^dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i have played "pay to win" mmo's,
eso aint one of them.
pay to win games have overpowered armor and weapons that can only be had by paying real life Money.
in eso, there are none of those type weapons nor those type armors.
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Simit✭✭PPl just love to throw about that PTW tag nowadays an majority who do have no freaking clue what it actually means16
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✭imnotanother wrote: »Does anyone know what “Pay to Win” really means?
These threads pop up constantly and are never close to describing a pay to win situation.
Pay 2 win:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/top-10-worst-pay-to-win-games/vp-BBCjZI2
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✭✭I've spent years defending ZoS against the PTW label but when a system is added so that I can use my real world cash to gift people with items that they can buy with in game gold that is probably crossing the line - it's not like normal PTW where i can buy win with crowns, but I can now buy gold with crown items and the gold can buy me things I could not buy otherwise.
Basically this is a cash to gold system that can be used to avoid playing the game as intended.
PTW, not quite. But it ain't right.10 -
imrilaoi✭✭✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »It will severly hurt the trading system in the game...Motifs, costumes, char slots, backpack upgrades etc etc....now a guild can sell those for gold to increase their gold. Watch trade bids be 100 million or 150 million before to long.
Oh, man. The idea of anyone selling backpack upgrades is just laughable. Lets look at the prices, k?
The very last backpack upgrade costs 64,500 gold. One backpack upgrade with crowns costs 1,000 crowns.
At bare minimum, the cheapest you can purchase crowns directly is via the 99.99$USD package that nets you 14,000 crowns, which translates to 140 crowns per dollar. During the rare 50% sale, that is still only 280 crowns per dollar, which still makes that backpack upgrade cost roughly 3.55$ USD.
Which would people rather spend? 3.55$ USD, or 64,500 gold? The likelihood of someone "selling" crowns for gold being willing to trade off 1000 crowns for less than 64,500 gold is slim.
Of course, this ignores people who are "buying" crowns via their ESO+ subscription, which is still a maximum of 9,000 crowns for 77.94$ USD, and can only be done every 6 months per account.
As for trading gold for crowns, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but... its been happening for years. "How can that possibly be?! Gifting was just added!"
Yeah, but Steam accounts have been around for quite awhile now. You know what you can do with Steam? Buy gift cards and give other people the code on the card.
People in a few of the guilds that I am in/have been in have been trading for steam gift codes for quite awhile, and either paying for the ESO+ subs this way, or just buying crowns. It isn't a new thing (maybe to you), and its not going to break ESO's economy. Heck, sometimes they don't even trade gold, sometimes they trade upgrade materials! *GASPS* So shocking.14 -
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✭✭✭Also the fact they let you submit tickets to get crowns transferred from one account to another since it came out, I also mean not just your accounts but you could donate crowns to other random peoples accounts that's how some guild leaders got Guild halls that were crowns only.Edited by Cpt_Teemo on June 8, 2018 11:03PM2 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »"A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item" So people can spend a ton of RL money, and guild members can gift crown items for in game gold. This is seriously going to SCREW up the entire game, and trading system.
Have you seen the numerous threads about how people didn't want to buy Morrowind or how people didn't want to buy Summerset ? They all think it should have been FREE. They didn't want to spend their RL money.
Have you seen the numerous threads about how expensive crown store items have gotten ?
They didn't want to spend their RL money on crowns.
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✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »"A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item" So people can spend a ton of RL money, and guild members can gift crown items for in game gold. This is seriously going to SCREW up the entire game, and trading system.
how is this pay to win...........yall keep exxagerating way to much3 -
degarmo_ESO✭✭✭Some mutha just ganked the hell out of me using his backpack upgrades. Then he got on ihs glorious P2W glowie mount and rode off, eviscerating my self worth
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✭✭Not quite there yet bruv… Closer every year, Ill give you that. Way to ridiculous to manage a transaction like that.
Abuse would be so minimal the economy wouldn't even notice it.I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
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Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The day a vma completion arrives in the crown store I'll agree. All i see here and all other pay to win threads is ***.
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✭Some of ya'll need to calm down.
If people want to sell crown costumes/pets/mounts in exchange for in game gold, who cares. Do you really care? Are you so mad right now that Joe over there is gonna get that mount you wanted but with in game gold he's giving to Bob in exchange for Bob paying for it with real money? How mad are you exactly about this? I need a picture here.
You weren't mad yesterday when Bob was selling gear he farmed at HIGH prices, for in game gold. THAT impacts your playing way more than this nonsense ever will.
*edited because I type too fastEdited by Loralai_907 on June 8, 2018 11:31PMPC-NA - formerly, mommadani907Guild: Weeping Angels - Co-GMTwitter: @ Loralai_907 several Alt accounts....CP 1700+Active characters:Fauna Rosewood ( Bosmer Stam DK - Master Crafter/AD)///Loralai Darknova (Drunken Zombie Bosmer Stam Sorc - PvP/AD)Lilith Darknova ( Dunmer Mag DK - Master Crafter - PvP/AD)///and roughly 1billion alts13 -
Anastian✭✭✭What the serious hell am I reading.
This is a great opportunity both to enable gifting and people who might not have much money to benefit from crown store items by using gold to purchase goods, as they might be able to spend more time in the game than a person who has a job.
Just earn gold and stop complaining.9 -
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✭✭✭nimander99 wrote: »Not quite there yet bruv… Closer every year, Ill give you that. Way to ridiculous to manage a transaction like that.
Abuse would be so minimal the economy wouldn't even notice it.
Turns out you can "Gift" mostly anything on the crown store including Crates1 -
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✭skywarnmc27 wrote: »"A Crown Store item is considered an in-game item" So people can spend a ton of RL money, and guild members can gift crown items for in game gold. This is seriously going to SCREW up the entire game, and trading system.
You are right sir! If that kid (with 1 month eso general gaming experience) steals hes mommas credit card, buys crowns stuff and sell them for gold, so he can buy that popular OP armor set for NBs everyone talks about, he will be the god of pvp, everyone will shrivel in fear when they see him, even the other NB players (with 3+ years of pure pvp everyday 24/7 eso gaming experience) will die within seconds when they meet that kiddo... and u know why? Because he traded crowns for that gold, so he could buy/change to that exact same set and build the other top NB pvpers use, so he could come to the pvp arena ... *ehm* PREPARED as an equal to them, hes first day in pvp! And he completely blows their minds with hes powah! Because ... he found a fast way to get the gold for t.h.a.t. e.x.a.c.t. same SET that THEY use !!!
so yeah ... shortcuts is lol pay to win, hard work and experience is overrated ... that powah lol.. Edited by Karmanorway on June 8, 2018 11:48PM9 -
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✭✭✭Anyone remember the story about “the boy that cried wolf”?
That’s pretty much where we are with the P2W hysteria...11
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