BaneOfBattler wrote: »

I cant care less about how a bunch of "elite" or a graph say, my warden tank is overpowered, and my healing is better than my templar which is my main, keep acknowledging what a handful of "elite" wannabes try to dictate and you will soon come across to a player like me who disregards what charts say and perform outstandingly everywhere i go in game, and in real life buddy.

Thats the most Hipster thing I ever read in a mmo-Forum. I can virtually smell the Beard-Wax and see the ironic T-Shirt and the summer-scarf.

erlewine wrote: »

The new public dungeon has Storm Atronach bears. When I first saw that, all I could think was "warden pls"

Please share with us your data that shows 2% of all end game is Wardens ... I’m sure the forums community and ZOS would be interested in the breakdown and content type.

In endgame vet trials (basically vAS+2, vCR+3, vHOF/MOL hardmodes) they are essentially unheard of - and even so, usually just done when content is on farm to say that they've done it. Literally approaching 0% wardens for guild-first kills of those trials. There is simply no reason to bring a Warden over another class, so on the very hardest content it's just making the entire groups life harder than needed.

(t. magden with vAS+2 speedrun)

Vet Trials have such minuscule completion in general that they shouldn’t be used as a metric. There’s like 10-12 guilds per platform capable or interested in running them. You see plenty of Wardens in 4man vet and normal dungeons and you can’t flick a penny without hitting a Warden in PVP (stam or mag).

This obsession with dps and only dps as the cornerstone of the game is toxic and needs to go away—unless you want ESO to be like every other game under the sun. Go play DCUO or GW2 to see how that plays out.

Edit: To be clear, I’m not advocating the state of the Warden as “ok”. They definitely need TLC, but they’re far from terrible.

Joker99 wrote: »

Except warden tanks really are very good, the only reason DK is more popular now is ONLY because of Engulfing, wardens are better in any other aspect.

thats an interesting way of saying "yes, DKs are better"

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BaneOfBattler wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

BaneOfBattler wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

RT_Frank wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Cyngar wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ZOS doesn't care about the warden. They took our money while laughing all the way to the bank. Don't expect any changes or additions to the class.

They still only have 2% representation in endgame because they're so bad. ZOS hasn't buffed them once since Morrowind beta last year. All we've gotten are nerfs.

Any suggestions containing the word "warden" are auto-ignored by ZOS.

so if the don't care, why is the warden recommended so heavily for new players to lvl/pve/pve with? Asking cause I just started and went Warden based off info I got.

Because they want people to buy it. It's also fine for levelling. It's just a dumpster fire when you get to endgame. All endgame is still doable with a warden, it's just much worse than other classes in every role, hence why their endgame usage rate is so ridiculously low (warden is at 2% while all other classes are between 20-25%).

Sounds like someone doesn't tank...

or heal...

or PvP...

but yeah they are the least played class BUT to be fair it is locked behind a paywall so there is a lot of bias in those numbers.

They have 1.5% representation in vHoF, which you can't access unless you own the warden.

And they are worse at tanking than DKs and worse at healing than templars. And magicka warden is terrible in PvP too after the cliff racer and shalks nerfs.

There has never been a worse class in this game than the warden.

and worse at healing than templars. AHHAHHAHHHAHHA

worse at tanking than DKs BAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHA

tears.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5055222/#Comment_5055222

But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance.

I cant care less about how a bunch of "elite" or a graph say, my warden tank is overpowered, and my healing is better than my templar which is my main, keep acknowledging what a handful of "elite" wannabes try to dictate and you will soon come across to a player like me who disregards what charts say and perform outstandingly everywhere i go in game, and in real life buddy.

Having your own opinion is nowdays the only thing we can brag about with kids these days.

I don't need to be top to enjoy a class, thats your problem if you are obssesed with the syndrom of acceptance bud.

Good luck @MLGProPlayer

Put your money where your mouth is. If your warden tank and healer are "overpowered" and you are an "outstanding" player, surely you are atop those leader boards. You thinking that you're good at this game doesn't make you good at it. Performance is based on objective results.

I showed you facts. You responded with conjecture. That's not how adults argue.

Having your own opinion is nowdays the only thing we can brag about with kids these days.

I don't need to be top to enjoy a class, thats your problem if you are obssesed with the syndrom of acceptance bud.

I dont have that problem, meaning i can perform excellent in any vTrial with my wardens with my guilds with ease, we are not in a hurry also we are not tryharders. We are not aiming for the ranks but for the challenge in doing it weekly.

"Your facts" matter little in this question when you base "your facts" upon a table//rank//influencersssss//trend

So does your opinion; because i suspect by your thinking and way of seeing things that are trivial (like a tryharder leaderboard) very important and canon, you must be one of that collective that encourages marginalization of certain players/cry about non existant issues between classes leading to demanding nerfs/buffs to perfectly working classes due to third party opinions (never your Own opinion).

And for these reasons i don't have to be talking to subjects depicted above, providin 0 constructivity to the game/playerbase lacking a well backed up opinion and thoughts.

Have a good day @MLGProPlayer

BaneOfBattler wrote: »

Having your own opinion is nowdays the only thing we can brag about with kids these days.

I don't need to be top to enjoy a class, thats your problem if you are obssesed with the syndrom of acceptance bud.

I dont have that problem, meaning i can perform excellent in any vTrial with my wardens with my guilds with ease, we are not in a hurry also we are not tryharders. We are not aiming for the ranks but for the challenge in doing it weekly.

"Your facts" matter little in this question when you base "your facts" upon a table//rank//influencersssss//trend

So what youre saying is, you talked out of your butt, he called you on it, and now your grasping for straws?
Just take the lose and walk away with dignity please...

erlewine wrote: »

The new public dungeon has Storm Atronach bears. When I first saw that, all I could think was "warden pls"

Please share with us your data that shows 2% of all end game is Wardens ... I’m sure the forums community and ZOS would be interested in the breakdown and content type.

In endgame vet trials (basically vAS+2, vCR+3, vHOF/MOL hardmodes) they are essentially unheard of - and even so, usually just done when content is on farm to say that they've done it. Literally approaching 0% wardens for guild-first kills of those trials. There is simply no reason to bring a Warden over another class, so on the very hardest content it's just making the entire groups life harder than needed.

(t. magden with vAS+2 speedrun)

I am not 100% but didn't vanaevr complete world first vcr +3 on warden healer?

Edit: yep, here it is:

World first +3 and speedrun:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cYi1JiVpUW4

World first +3, speedrun and no death:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jmQzTHLOYAE

Edit Edit:

For fun some other trial guilds running warden builds:

vHRC Magicka warden by stileanima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLetstjHNW0

vHOF Warden tank by andys (Hodor)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpoJfO1HJ9w

vCR Magicka Warden by liko (Hodor)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQa_LuAxNUY

vMOL Warden tank by liofa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xFPJkFgzc

As you can see wardens are seen being used by five different people to great effect in competitive trial guilds, three of which who run in what could be argued is the strongest trial guild in EU. These are only the first five i found when looking up "warden trials". I think its fair to say that wardens can be strong in the right hands. Perhaps our meta has been too rigid to catch up to their possibilities.

I’ve found the warden to be pretty enjoyable. Extremely versatile. Heck, people out there are healing with stamwardens, lol. I can’t think of any other class that’s capable of doing that.

All in all, they’ve got a lot of really good utility and buffs, are highly customizable, and play all roles pretty well. I’m enjoying my warden quite a bit.

Inarre wrote: »

words

vCR PCNA leaderboards -

Nightblades - 199
Sorcerer - 88
Dragonknight - 86
Templar - 76
Warden - 12

erlewine wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

words

apparently what other people say isnt relevant enough to leave as quoted material

Okay.

How does this establish something that hasnt already been said? How does this disprove anything I wrote?