Question about PvP for solo stam characters (not gankers) in regards to the psijic skill line

Abysswarrior45 · June 2018

I haven't played in 1-2 months and have been enjoying myself on Conan Exiles a lot more than ESO lately. However, I still have some people I'd like to play with back on ESO either by partying up and PvPing separately across Cyrodiil, or in a small group of 2-3. I'm wondering how competitive you can be without the psijic skill line. Please try and look at this from a 5 medium w/ 2 hvy stam dk build using 5 Bone Pirate, 2 Bloodspawn, 5 Seventh Legion (SnB, neck, and 2 body). No cheesy *** build you'd find people complaining about.

Just having done a little research it seems like back barring undo and meditate and using them together will make you far competitive than a player with the same class who hasn't bought summerset. You could run less sustain and pump out more dmg and just pop undo and meditate behind LOS to survive.

Looking for responses mostly from stamina solo players who aren't gankers who agree this game has been going downhill for a long time as you're who I'll relate with most and I trust your advice more than those who would disagree. If thats not you please move along and ignore this thread

PS4 NA if that makes a difference to anyone.

Grimhallow · June 2018

Imbue weapons is a good option for stam DKs, but you absolutely don't need it. None of my Stam DK friends are using the skill line at all. You should be fine to come back without grinding that mess.

Own · June 2018

You dont need it

VaranisArano · June 2018

If you intend on zerg-surfing, you don't need it. Twenty other people have got the time stops covered.

As for smaller group play, the Psijic Order skills are certainly useful and a small group that has them will have more tools in their toolkit than a group that doesn't. However, I highly doubt that it is an insurmountable difference assuming your small group works well together to fight in a coordinated fashion.

DeadlyRecluse · June 2018

Meditate and Undo are niche skills, not stables.

I really can't see using either of them on a StamDK.

Time Stop is the only really essential skill from the line, and it isn't really a great choice for a solo player, it's more of a group play skill.

Abysswarrior45 · June 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

If you intend on zerg-surfing, you don't need it. Twenty other people have got the time stops covered.

As for smaller group play, the Psijic Order skills are certainly useful and a small group that has them will have more tools in their toolkit than a group that doesn't. However, I highly doubt that it is an insurmountable difference assuming your small group works well together to fight in a coordinated fashion.

We're not the most coordinated or optimized, but yes, there is a high amount of coordination when we play. Focusing certain players, synchronizing burst, targeting healers first, moving together, etc.

Appreciate the answers guys!

Takes-No-Prisoner · June 2018

Own wrote: »

You dont need it

This.

When you’re out numbered, watch out for Time Stop. I got killed by this once due to not seeing the aoe inside of a large cluster of fighting on the back flags of Alessia. Died due to running out of stamina at the worst time.

You can CC break it, and probably pop immovable pots to counter the stun effect. The aoe does no damage, but it’s the large stun hit box to watch out for. Cause groups running it will time the Time Stop aoe with their burst.

barshemm · June 2018

I put meditate on my overload bar on my Stam sorc, that's it.

Ocelot9x · June 2018

I'm having lot of fun with imbue weapon,basically LA+imbue+LA+puncture+bash and you pack TON of damage. So much more reliable than wb spam (since now the skill sucks cause empowered doesn't work on take flight).
I also back bar the ultimate cause its really useful to bait people trying to zerg you.
IMHO you could do fine without it but it's a nice thing to have.
And with time stop I finally feel useful when small scaling with my guildies

Edit: running medium is not a good idea with people running zaan,sload,viper,durok,skoria and dumb sets like that

GreenSoup2HoT · June 2018

gank builds and regular builds are hardly any different anymore.

Brutusmax1mus · June 2018

Ocelot9x wrote: »

I'm having lot of fun with imbue weapon,basically LA+imbue+LA+puncture+bash and you pack TON of damage. So much more reliable than wb spam (since now the skill sucks cause empowered doesn't work on take flight).
I also back bar the ultimate cause its really useful to bait people trying to zerg you.
IMHO you could do fine without it but it's a nice thing to have.
And with time stop I finally feel useful when small scaling with my guildies

Edit: running medium is not a good idea with people running zaan,sload,viper,durok,skoria and dumb sets like that

I love not needing wb on dk and sorc. Can't wait to try it. But that quest line was the worst excuse for content ive ever seen in my life, especially for 40 bucks.

Abysswarrior45 · June 2018

Ocelot9x wrote: »

I'm having lot of fun with imbue weapon,basically LA+imbue+LA+puncture+bash and you pack TON of damage. So much more reliable than wb spam (since now the skill sucks cause empowered doesn't work on take flight).
I also back bar the ultimate cause its really useful to bait people trying to zerg you.
IMHO you could do fine without it but it's a nice thing to have.
And with time stop I finally feel useful when small scaling with my guildies

Edit: running medium is not a good idea with people running zaan,sload,viper,durok,skoria and dumb sets like that

I run medium because its harder than running the meta. People can't say I was carried and while it does get me killed more than some other setups, its more rewarding and keeps the game challenging.

Ocelot9x · June 2018

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Ocelot9x wrote: »

I'm having lot of fun with imbue weapon,basically LA+imbue+LA+puncture+bash and you pack TON of damage. So much more reliable than wb spam (since now the skill sucks cause empowered doesn't work on take flight).
I also back bar the ultimate cause its really useful to bait people trying to zerg you.
IMHO you could do fine without it but it's a nice thing to have.
And with time stop I finally feel useful when small scaling with my guildies

Edit: running medium is not a good idea with people running zaan,sload,viper,durok,skoria and dumb sets like that

I run medium because its harder than running the meta. People can't say I was carried and while it does get me killed more than some other setups, its more rewarding and keeps the game challenging.

I also used to run medium but as a stam dk and mostly a solo player one u get 3 ppl on you+ defile you're dead and tbagged.
Currently I'm trying medium but with a tanky/ulti regen setup and I'm quite satisfied even tho this meta is hell for sdk

Nemeliom · June 2018

I'm cancer. I use sload + duurok + zaan. Tons of fun.

Edit: Reviving the thread haha.

Swimguy · June 2018

the passive shield when you block helps me survive a lot!! before people would runecage/flame reach LA metoer and it would hurt... a lot. Now i get to mitigate 2.5k damage allowing me to potion my hp up or rally. Also meditate is okay. Im theory crafting a reactive armor meditate stamdk with tavas right now. mostly for fun.

The spammable is okay but not really reliable on ps4 where u have a lot of lag. the 2 second window is more like 1 after the animation and lag. i get a lot of one shots with it +velidreth and reverb bash when successful though