The truth about Sload's Semblance

Reloader84 · June 2018

I rarely find myself here in the forums, but honestly you all cry so much about this set. The sad part about it is that there is apparently only one thing wrong with it. But lets take a step back real quick. For as long as i can remember people have been crying about 2 things, myself included on one of them. Stackable shields, and cloak. Everyone thinks they are so powerful and if someone who knows how the mechanics work and have the right timing, you're very right. This crying has been around for at least 2 years maybe more. So ZOS, says "hey lets kill two birds with one stone. Let us make a craftable set that everyone can utilize whether stam or magicka to give them a way to take care of this issue so now the stamina classes wont complain about shields because they will have a small way to counter it that is not as useless as shieldbreaker set that can bypass dmg shields. On the other side, now all the classes that complain about nightblades cloaking have a way to get them out without using a detect pots/flare/magelight/expert hunter/mark/detect poisons/aoe etc....."

but the crying ensues because "I DONT WANNA HAVE TO CHANGE MY BARS QQ"

As a nightblade who uses sloads and has sloads used against them, i honestly have no issues. "OH NO I CAN'T STEALTH" oh wait, Rally+vigor+dodge roll+sprint>re-engage. kill them before they kill me hmm thats a thought...oh wait, that's PvP.
Sorcs can still stack shields
Templars can use ritual
DK's have high survivability and heals
Wardens are the same as DKs
AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Like in every game before ESO and I'm sure every game after, expansions will slightly change the way builds and gameplay works. Adapt to it and quit your crying.

Since I know it will happen anyway...FLAME ON!

Feanor · June 2018

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Honestly, that's what most people were asking for.

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

Reloader84 wrote: »

AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Everyone can use shuffle or forward momentum, yet mag classes still ask for snare immunity that doesn't throw over their builds (and rightfully so).

King_Thelon · June 2018

You used to have to work for kills in this game. Now your armor does that for you.

Does that sound like fun PvP to you?

SquareSausage · June 2018

King_Thelon wrote: »

You used to have to work for kills in this game. Now your armor does that for you.

Does that sound like fun PvP to you?

Oh come on, its been like that ever since the very first proc set and monster sets were introduced.

Own · June 2018

King_Thelon wrote: »

You used to have to work for kills in this game. Now your armor does that for you.

Does that sound like fun PvP to you?

The defensive sets are killing skill in this game. You can face tank a little too much in impregnable, pariah's, and fortified brass.

Own · June 2018

Proc set one shots are great tho.

BohnT · June 2018

Own wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

You used to have to work for kills in this game. Now your armor does that for you.

Does that sound like fun PvP to you?

The defensive sets are killing skill in this game. You can face tank a little too much in impregnable, pariah's, and fortified brass.

But you can't kill anything unless offensive procs enter the equation.
Also someone in Impreg + brass still has to do something to stay alive if he just holds block and tries to heal he'll die to a better player.

Any set or passive etc. that kills an enemy for you or saves you or an ally from death without you actively doing a specific thing is bad for the game.

And something like : deal critical damage, heal an ally etc. don't count

You can have strong sets like Bloodspawn but a bad player will still be a bad player even with BS equipped because he's a bad player.
A bad player with Earthgore will still save players even though he just spams mutagen. Or a bad player with Zaan and Caluurion is able to kill players even when he just spams light attacks and gap closers once Zaan procs.

Danksta · June 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Reloader84 wrote: »

AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Everyone can use shuffle or forward momentum, yet mag classes still ask for snare immunity that doesn't throw over their builds (and rightfully so).

Minno · June 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Honestly, that's what most people were asking for.

And to delete it for better designed/unique sets.

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

Danksta wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Reloader84 wrote: »

AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Everyone can use shuffle or forward momentum, yet mag classes still ask for snare immunity that doesn't throw over their builds (and rightfully so).

Ah come on, just wear medium on your magplar, you will be so mobile! /s

Vandark · June 2018

So....a cloak spamming nightblade complains about people who are complaining about sloads set while the nightblaade uses the sloads set and complains about people who are complaining about cloak. OK!

exeeter702 · June 2018

King_Thelon wrote: »

You used to have to work for kills in this game. Now your armor does that for you.

Does that sound like fun PvP to you?

I mean... since mmos have been like that for as long as pvp has been in mmos..

idk · June 2018

Reloader84 wrote: »

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Should we make DoTs from different players not stack on the same target? Yes, I know, this is different.

Reloader84 · June 2018

Vandark wrote: »

So....a cloak spamming nightblade complains about people who are complaining about sloads set while the nightblaade uses the sloads set and complains about people who are complaining about cloak. OK!

LMAO I'm the guy playing the guy playing the guy.

no but i'm the guy who complains about shield stacking.

Reloader84 · June 2018

idk wrote: »

Reloader84 wrote: »

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Should we make DoTs from different players not stack on the same target? Yes, I know, this is different.

I think that's the way some DoTs actually work, but since Sload's is oblivion damage that is not halved in PvP and does damage unless cleansed I think this deserves something special if in fact it stacks as my quote says above.

Chilly-McFreeze · June 2018

Reloader84 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Reloader84 wrote: »

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Should we make DoTs from different players not stack on the same target? Yes, I know, this is different.

I think that's the way some DoTs actually work, but since Sload's is oblivion damage that is not halved in PvP and does damage unless cleansed I think this deserves something special if in fact it stacks as my quote says above.

Which skill's DoTs don't stack?

lazerlaz · June 2018

Reloader84 wrote: »

I rarely find myself here in the forums, but honestly you all cry so much about this set. The sad part about it is that there is apparently only one thing wrong with it. But lets take a step back real quick. For as long as i can remember people have been crying about 2 things, myself included on one of them. Stackable shields, and cloak. Everyone thinks they are so powerful and if someone who knows how the mechanics work and have the right timing, you're very right. This crying has been around for at least 2 years maybe more. So ZOS, says "hey lets kill two birds with one stone. Let us make a craftable set that everyone can utilize whether stam or magicka to give them a way to take care of this issue so now the stamina classes wont complain about shields because they will have a small way to counter it that is not as useless as shieldbreaker set that can bypass dmg shields. On the other side, now all the classes that complain about nightblades cloaking have a way to get them out without using a detect pots/flare/magelight/expert hunter/mark/detect poisons/aoe etc....."

but the crying ensues because "I DONT WANNA HAVE TO CHANGE MY BARS QQ"

As a nightblade who uses sloads and has sloads used against them, i honestly have no issues. "OH NO I CAN'T STEALTH" oh wait, Rally+vigor+dodge roll+sprint>re-engage. kill them before they kill me hmm thats a thought...oh wait, that's PvP.
Sorcs can still stack shields
Templars can use ritual
DK's have high survivability and heals
Wardens are the same as DKs
AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Now the only thing i have heard that i feel needs to be fixed is that Sload's Semblance is stacking. I feel that needs to be fixed. If multiple people are using it on a single person at most it should refresh the duration of the dot but not stack. I'm not sure if that is true or not but if it is i agree with that particular fix/nerf.

Like in every game before ESO and I'm sure every game after, expansions will slightly change the way builds and gameplay works. Adapt to it and quit your crying.

Since I know it will happen anyway...FLAME ON!

I love you.

fred4 · June 2018

Reloader84 wrote: »

AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Why is this always brought up? Why is it all-caps, here?

This skill is far too expensive and only clears two effects. When a stamblade or DK attacks, you will often have something like 7 effects on you straight away. Purge is useless, because it does not prioritise the effects you really want cleared. If this worked like Extended Ritual and cost less, perhaps losing it's group functionality, then it might be worth slotting.

How many solo (NB) players use this skill, honestly? I submit that anyone who writes this in all-caps has not tried the skill and has never turned debuff tracking on. The skill deserves a footnote at best.

Gilvoth · June 2018

fred4 wrote: »

Reloader84 wrote: »

AND EVERYONE CAN USE CLEANSE IN THE SUPPORT TREE

Why is this always brought up? Why is it all-caps, here?

This skill is far too expensive and only clears two effects. When a stamblade or DK attacks, you will often have something like 7 effects on you straight away. Purge is useless, because it does not prioritise the effects you really want cleared. If this worked like Extended Ritual and cost less, perhaps losing it's group functionality, then it might be worth slotting.

How many solo (NB) players use this skill, honestly? I submit that anyone who writes this in all-caps has not tried the skill and has never turned debuff tracking on. The skill deserves a footnote at best.

hes talking about the alliance skill "Purge" and he is right, all DOT's can be removed by purge.
if you have more then 1 person puting DOT's on you then no it wont purge all of them but if you are fighting multiple people by yourself then you are going to die anyway so sloads DOT is nothing different, the only problem in that case is this ...

"overpowered builds that can take on multiple people is what is overpowered and needs nerfed, not armor sets, not skills."

fred4 · June 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

hes talking about the alliance skill "Purge"

So am I! What did you think I was talking about.

and he is right, all DOT's can be removed by purge.

Not denying that, but magicka and opportunity cost are horrendous when you are not the dedicated healer, but are, say, trying to purge Mark or Sloads from yourself.

if you have more then 1 person puting DOT's on you...

Let me stop you right there. I wasn't talking about that either. 1x Light Attack / Poison Injection may proc:

Poison Injection dot
Poison status effect dot
Ravage health poison
Lingering Ravage health poison
(or enchant and enchant status effect, take your pick)
Sloads
Sheer Venom dot

Now, I appreciate some of these have proc chances and won't always happen. This is just an example. On the other hand there are other status effects I have probably missed, such as the ubiquitous snare coming from somewhere. Furthermore the hypothetical NB running this may immediately follow it up with something like Ambush / Light Attack / Incap / Light Attack / Rending Slashes, at which point you may also have the following on you:

Enchant dot
Enchant status effect
Diseased status effect from Incap
Healing debuff from Incap
Twin Blade and Blunt bleed
Rending Slashes bleed

You think this is far fetched? Turn on the standard ZOS buff tracking, and limit it to showing your own debuffs only. It doesn't take a zerg to do this to you, just a single player. I don't care about a single Sloads dot. I care about the player who uses Sloads in a dot build. What I see from those types of builds is a ton of debuff icons popping up. I may not have them exactly right, but I can certainly tell you that there is a lot of them at once, because ZOS' debuff tracking tells me. This is when, as a templar, I might use Extended Ritual and, as NB, I might back off and try to cloak. This is when Purge might be useful, if it purged the things preventing me from cloaking, e.g. Mark and Sloads (let's say, because my opponents' friends are showing up at that point). I tried using Efficient Purge in the past. It is very hit and miss, trying to combat Mark, often requiring multiple casts. It leaves you out of magicka, or dead, more often than it helps you.