mesmerizedish wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

DamenAJ wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

alchemy is wonderful. it's interesting to see that some cis players were taken in by the red herrings, as I and the trans players I know who did the quest all seem to have seen right through them.

it's a good start and nice to finally see the T represented where before we really only had LGB and a handful of borderline offensive facsimiles, like the elf or whatever that wanted to be a khajiit. i'd like to see more, though, and while the house of reveries quest we got had a lot more to it than just trans 101 i'd want future characters to be similarly defined by a lot more than their trans-ness. that is to say, thieves or mages or artisans or whatever whose characterization is subtle, like deploying a trans voice actor and designing them with a trans physicality.

I think one issue that ESO "struggles" with representing trans people, is that... Well, Gay couples are treated absolutely no differently, so I wonder if trans people might be treated the same? I always loved that ESO was so gay friendly, but if trans people can use magic to transition, and no one is a jerk about it, you pretty much never know. My two cents on that anyway.

That's fair and that's why I said the characterization should be fairly subtle, as it often is in real life. At the same time, Alchemy has post-quest dialog that discusses different ways in which people transition in-universe, so there's space to explore these narratives and how they manifest in different ways in Tamriel. I think it could be interesting.

logarifmik wrote: »

Personally, I found "Murder In Lillandril" much more better written, than the quest discussed here. Narrative of "Manor of Masques" is... cute, but I guess that's all I have to say about it. And, as I see it, Larydel motivation to become Alchemy is not a feeling wrong about his gender, but obsession with art. Or did he said different somewhere? I fail to recall it, really. Besides, his personality is more likely a reference to travesti, not transgenders.

Also, have you, guys and gals, ever noticed, that all "non-formal" characters are necessarily good? If this become part of the lore and one of the main trend in the western writing tradition, why not to make some badass gays/transgenders as well? More interesting and fair approach, no?

Alchemy uses she/her pronouns.

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

platonicidealgirlfriend wrote: »

alchemy is wonderful. it's interesting to see that some cis players were taken in by the red herrings, as I and the trans players I know who did the quest all seem to have seen right through them.

Im not trans, but wasnt taken in by the others. I dont think trans or cis had much to do with it.

I believed it was Alchemy right away and Ill explain why. When questioning the others, one of them, I forgot which one though lol, mentioned that after being 'selected' there was a celebration involving costumes, makeup, perfumes etc.. I remember reading in the book, that the brother came home smelling of perfume etc one night. I then figured the brother had 'made it' and was no longer a 'hopeful', which ruled out the others, except for Alchemy.

This said, I still am confused as to what some others are talking about, I think I missed some things? Contrary to what some here say, to the best of my recollection, the sister never found out which one was her brother. When I told her I believed it was Alchemy, she denied it and said it was not possible. There was no 'affectionate hug' I remember or being called 'little sister'?

After I spoke with Alchemy I suggested that it would be best to wait until after the sister left and then write her a note explaining, and it was agreed. The sister wasnt too happy, that her brother sent the message rather than telling her in person but said she would leave.
I either missed a part of this quest, or perhaps it has different endings?

I didn't mean that all cis people would fall for it, just that there was an anecdotal correlation. Also, there's a different ending if you tell Alchemy to tell her sister in person. They hug and say some affirmational things.

if you pick that ending does sister still go on to

sapiachs, or does she stay behind? my main motivation for suggesting that alchemy writes a letter was to make sure that both of them get to live their authentic lives, and I was worried, along with alchemy that if they talk now, she might stay behind.

She still goes off to Lillandril to become a Sapiarch.