Is buying a hof carry still worth?
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✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »kylewwefan wrote: »Yeah. It’s worth it. So is VMOL. The chances you are able to throw together a pug group and beat it are pretty much non existent. Unless you can find yourself in some guilds core team you’ll never get a shot at it. It’s not even worth your time trying to PuG.
Pretty sure quite a few bigger trial guild has open run clear vmol whenever it’s weekly.
Sure, but those runs are usually being carried by some experienced players and can't be considered full pugs imo. Next to that in most cases those open runs do state some minimal requirements. As for vMOL this however is a decent way to learn and clear that trial. You'll see the same for vAS and probably vAS soon as well. Full pugs however won't clear a vMOL, let alone vHOF. The latter trial is on a different level when it comes to overall difficulty, and really does require some kind of solid group at least.
Of course everything is "pug'able" as long you filter your search for players. If you're putting 12 top raiders together from different guilds, you may be able to beat the hardest hardmodes, but how much of a pug group you'll still have?
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SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭If you aren't in a top guild and want the skin, go ahead and do it if you have the cash.
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dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭dovakiin5574 wrote: »Why buy a carry when you can get good and actually contribute to the team? Getting good is free too. Quit ruining the game economy with this crap. You vet trial carry buyers and gold sellers alike. Stop it. Just stop it. Shame on you
“Getting good” takes time. Lots of time. Time that most people don’t have, and revolving around a strict role-based playstyle, scheduling your play time to match with 11 other ppl, and a lot of times even drama they don’t want any part of. That’s not free.
Also how is Vet trial carry buying = gold selling ?? You sound angry but not entirely knowledgeable of everything surrounding the topic at hand.... please elaborate for us.
I have no idea about you guys but I can walk into Craglorn right now and find a vet trial group. I got into a vet trial guild that way. My suggestion is join a guild that does their stuff the same time you have free time.
As for getting good. I've only had weekends since I started playing and I was still able to get good. Good enough anyways, 30k DPS is nothing to sneeze at (40K with Relequen). I've even completed all vet trials minus Cloudrest (its new so it might be a few weeks).
Ethically it is similar because this game is designed as a Play to Win vs Pay to Win. You buy gold that means you can buy decent gear, upgrade materials, etc. You buy a vet trial carry, you aren't even doing the work yourself. You are literally PAYING someone to do the trial for you. Honestly its worse than gold selling. At least if you ONLY buy gold it doesn't account for lack of skill. Buying a carry? No skill required. It's Pay to Win plain and simple. Plenty of Pay to Win games out there. This one is not and should not allow it.PAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates0 -
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✭Don’t know / don’t caredovakiin5574 wrote: »dovakiin5574 wrote: »Why buy a carry when you can get good and actually contribute to the team? Getting good is free too. Quit ruining the game economy with this crap. You vet trial carry buyers and gold sellers alike. Stop it. Just stop it. Shame on you
“Getting good” takes time. Lots of time. Time that most people don’t have, and revolving around a strict role-based playstyle, scheduling your play time to match with 11 other ppl, and a lot of times even drama they don’t want any part of. That’s not free.
Also how is Vet trial carry buying = gold selling ?? You sound angry but not entirely knowledgeable of everything surrounding the topic at hand.... please elaborate for us.
I have no idea about you guys but I can walk into Craglorn right now and find a vet trial group. I got into a vet trial guild that way. My suggestion is join a guild that does their stuff the same time you have free time.
As for getting good. I've only had weekends since I started playing and I was still able to get good. Good enough anyways, 30k DPS is nothing to sneeze at (40K with Relequen). I've even completed all vet trials minus Cloudrest (its new so it might be a few weeks).
Ethically it is similar because this game is designed as a Play to Win vs Pay to Win. You buy gold that means you can buy decent gear, upgrade materials, etc. You buy a vet trial carry, you aren't even doing the work yourself. You are literally PAYING someone to do the trial for you. Honestly its worse than gold selling. At least if you ONLY buy gold it doesn't account for lack of skill. Buying a carry? No skill required. It's Pay to Win plain and simple. Plenty of Pay to Win games out there. This one is not and should not allow it.
Actually the gold buying is P2W as you'd use IRL cash, buying a carry is done with in game cash, so isn't P2W...@Sparr0w so I get the notification
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dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭dovakiin5574 wrote: »dovakiin5574 wrote: »Why buy a carry when you can get good and actually contribute to the team? Getting good is free too. Quit ruining the game economy with this crap. You vet trial carry buyers and gold sellers alike. Stop it. Just stop it. Shame on you
“Getting good” takes time. Lots of time. Time that most people don’t have, and revolving around a strict role-based playstyle, scheduling your play time to match with 11 other ppl, and a lot of times even drama they don’t want any part of. That’s not free.
Also how is Vet trial carry buying = gold selling ?? You sound angry but not entirely knowledgeable of everything surrounding the topic at hand.... please elaborate for us.
I have no idea about you guys but I can walk into Craglorn right now and find a vet trial group. I got into a vet trial guild that way. My suggestion is join a guild that does their stuff the same time you have free time.
As for getting good. I've only had weekends since I started playing and I was still able to get good. Good enough anyways, 30k DPS is nothing to sneeze at (40K with Relequen). I've even completed all vet trials minus Cloudrest (its new so it might be a few weeks).
Ethically it is similar because this game is designed as a Play to Win vs Pay to Win. You buy gold that means you can buy decent gear, upgrade materials, etc. You buy a vet trial carry, you aren't even doing the work yourself. You are literally PAYING someone to do the trial for you. Honestly its worse than gold selling. At least if you ONLY buy gold it doesn't account for lack of skill. Buying a carry? No skill required. It's Pay to Win plain and simple. Plenty of Pay to Win games out there. This one is not and should not allow it.
Actually the gold buying is P2W as you'd use IRL cash, buying a carry is done with in game cash, so isn't P2W...
It is paying to win because you are giving a form of currency to someone in order to obtain or achieve something that you can not do yourself.PAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates1 -
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If you don't have that kind of time, why do you play a MMO then? It's a well known fact that a MMO requires a certain amount of time, and yet people with "no time" persistently play it and force their "views" on it. I don't get it, play some AAA title on "story-mode" if you need some gratification.dovakiin5574 wrote: »Why buy a carry when you can get good and actually contribute to the team? Getting good is free too. Quit ruining the game economy with this crap. You vet trial carry buyers and gold sellers alike. Stop it. Just stop it. Shame on you
“Getting good” takes time. Lots of time. Time that most people don’t have, and revolving around a strict role-based playstyle, scheduling your play time to match with 11 other ppl, and a lot of times even drama they don’t want any part of. That’s not free.
Also how is Vet trial carry buying = gold selling ?? You sound angry but not entirely knowledgeable of everything surrounding the topic at hand.... please elaborate for us.Edited by Facefister on June 4, 2018 3:11PM1 -
dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭Straight from Urban Dictionary:
pay-to-win:
Being a noob who cant get his/her own skills, so they pay that skilled players would rather not waste to get an unfair advantage that should not be therePAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates1 -
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✭✭dovakiin5574 wrote: »Why buy a carry when you can get good and actually contribute to the team? Getting good is free too. Quit ruining the game economy with this crap. You vet trial carry buyers and gold sellers alike. Stop it. Just stop it. Shame on you
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✭Don’t know / don’t caredovakiin5574 wrote: »Straight from Urban Dictionary:
pay-to-win:
Being a noob who cant get his/her own skills, so they pay that skilled players would rather not waste to get an unfair advantage that should not be there
Also from the all so reliable 'urban dictionary':
Th1s g4m3 sux s0 much d00d! 1t's t0t4117 p2w!
Looking at semi reliable sources:
P2W = Buying something with real money that IS NOT obtainable in game that offers a significant power advantage over others.
So buying a carry to get a skin which offers no significant power advantage isn't P2W by definition, however if said skin could only be purchased by IRL money & offered a power advantage, then it would be P2W.
Eitherway I'm out, ciao.Edited by Sparr0w on June 4, 2018 3:58PM@Sparr0w so I get the notification
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure it was ever worth it, but I admit it's hard for people to get clears if they don't have time to commit to a progression guild. Based on forum chatter over the last couple years it seems this is primarily a thing on console, does paying for carries even happen on PC?Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure it was ever worth it, but I admit it's hard for people to get clears if they don't have time to commit to a progression guild. Based on forum chatter over the last couple years it seems this is primarily a thing on console, does paying for carries even happen on PC?
Yes, it does. I've seen that before in zone.
Actually, that was part of the original vAS banwaves. Because the people who figured out how to exploit it were immediately turning around and making money off it.0 -
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✭Don’t know / don’t careSo what exactly happens during a carry? Do you just wait at the door while the other 11 win? Or do you at least try to help, in which case its more like buying entry into a garunteed victory?0 -
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✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »So what exactly happens during a carry? Do you just wait at the door while the other 11 win? Or do you at least try to help, in which case its more like buying entry into a garunteed victory?
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