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If you are looking for a bargain then you are "taking advantage."
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Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
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Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »ErinGoBrag520 wrote: »All the passive aggressive "loves" and "huns" alone would have me out of there!
Is that passive aggressive? I just figured they must be Austrailian since ive heard austrailians use those words in sentences alot. Just like they like to say "no worries"
Or "dude, man, mate, homie, sweetie, darling, bud, buddy, friend" etc. I try to not be so easily offended as to immediately take something that may not have been meant in condescending manner negatively when it could just be a cultural difference. Context is important though.
If however it does bother someone, you can always ask them to stop. There's the litmus test.
The "officer" comment would have likely gotten a laugh out of me, but ultimately it would have ended with me leaving.
I'd consider it a learning experience and move on.
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
i would love to see a thread go multiple pages without people bringing this up.
you could start a discussion called " the blue skies of tamriel " and within 20 replies some donkey will cry about the trading system.
it's never going to happen so please stop spamming the damn forums5 -
Diminish✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol, you got kicked for a WTB in guild chat...? I've now heard it all regarding the dysfunctional guild/trader system in this game. I mean, I could see this type of thing happening if the conversation went something like this instead -
Me: WTB kresh fiber, 2k/stack.
Guild member: That's below market value.
Me: Oh, I know. However, if every member with a stack does not sell it to me I am going to rob the guild bank blind.
Guild member: Excuse me, hon?
Me: Oh yeah, and this is the worst guild I've ever been in. Stacks of kresh fiber. NOW!
OP, you are much better off NOT being in that guild than you were being a part of it. You asked for a product, and offered a price you are comfortable paying... I don't play on PC, but I doubt there is a super high demand for what you are buying on any platform. If people wanted to make a quick transaction, its a win-win. Instead, only you won by them doing you a favor and booting you out of their terrible guild. Jokes on them!
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Raideen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
i would love to see a thread go multiple pages without people bringing this up.
you could start a discussion called " the blue skies of tamriel " and within 20 replies some donkey will cry about the trading system.
it's never going to happen so please stop spamming the damn forums
I am sorry you are unable to tie the guild trade system to elitist guild trade offers and guild leaders. Its a pretty simple deduction.1 -
Ozstryker✭✭✭✭Think op was kicked cos he was asked to respond, then went afk... it's like gettin into it with someone on th phone then hanging up on them!
Also, l don't know the "rules" of this guild but usually soliciting a low price is frowned upon because there is nothing to stop you from posting in another guild and turning a tidy profit! And.... the op admitted to being asked the day before not to do it.... so
If it was for my own crafting,... I'd have asked in guild chat if anyone has some spare, then pm them and negotiate from there! A good guildy would probably give away if the item was a slow seller!0 -
HEXENWOLF✭✭✭I haven't read all 7 pages of this thread and I'm not likely to do so. With that out of the way, if buying stacks of Kresh at the price you asked for is in poor taste, their response to you is equally so. I have a tendency towards preferring guilds that are tight-knit communities, but even when everyone has been interdependent they haven't been left without backbones. As you've said in your OP you weren't demanding anyone sell it to you, you were asking. If no one wants to sell it to you at the price you're asking then hey, guess what, you get to spend your time Kresh hunting a lot, lot longer. Literally the only reason for a rule like this to even exist is to protect someone who is so weak-willed they can't even be forced to sit in silence while you go without Kresh for fear of being punished by daedric gods for not giving you any of the stacks they have sitting in their bank.
The ONLY, and I really mean ONLY, circumstance I can see where I would ask you to cut it out is if you were spamming the message ad nauseum all day long in guild chat without takers. At that point, I might come out of my silent corner of the world and tell you to maybe cut down the frequency or perhaps inquire elsewhere. Otherwise, this situation smacks of elitism.Edited by HEXENWOLF on June 5, 2018 7:02AM1 -
Still_Mind✭✭✭That "officer's" attitude screams self-esteem issues.
Don't sweat it, there's plenty of amazing trade guilds out there filled with awesome people."I'm not *giving* him cake, I'm *assaulting* him with cake!"3 -
LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭I belong(ed) to 5 trading guilds since I usually play solo I only need a guild so I can sell my wares.
I've been leveling my crafting so I need bunches of materials. I started yesterday and needed Ebonthread. TTC showed it for 12 on the low end so I asked my guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. Many people sent me stacks at that price (10 each).
Today, I've moved onto Kresh fiber and again the low end was 12-15, however the average was 22. I asked the same guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. I had a few takers and bought 550 at 10g each.
It is all good up to that point. Then I saw messages in guildchat.
This is the conversation that followed from there:- Guild member: Um, sorry hon, but the TTC for Kresh Fibre is double that. TTC Price for [Kresh Fiber] : Suggested : 21 ~ 26 [Avg 44.41/Min 4/Max 14,153.33] (206 listings/18,940 items) So a stack would be 4k.
- Me: People do sell below MM price. I just received 550 units @10. So there is that, hon.
- Guild member: Good for you, but please don't try to rip off your fellow guildmates by asking for mats below market value. It's kinda rude.
- Guild member: If you negotiate a lower price, of course, that's totally fine. But asking for it outright... yeah, sorry, love, but I can't let that happen. Sorry.
- Me: People with extra mats and all slots full will accept a lower price. I'm not twisting anyones arm. You're not "letting anything happen." If they don't want to sell, they won't.
- Me: I only asked one time and got more than enough so obviously people think that is fair enough
- Guild member: you are speaking to an officer. Show some respect. This is your second warning, because I know that you did this yesterday and another officer told you not to. This is not "one time" this is the second. Don't ask for items under market value and don't be an arsehole when we let you know what the market value is, on the of chance it was a genuine mistake.
- (I went AFK here.)
- Guild member: Well?
- Guild member: Answer me.
- Guild member: Very well.
- Guild member #2: bye.
- (I return and find I've been kicked from the guild.)
- Tell to guild member: I had to go afk. I have no hard feelings about any of this. You're an officer so you are allowed to do what you'd like. In many guilds, people will freely trade things below fair value as that is one of the major benefits to a trading guild. Each member is entitled to sell his wares at whatever price suits them. For instance, I had asked to buy some ebonthread @10 and instead someone sent me 100 units for 0. That was their decision. I was only offering a price.
- r/ from Guild member: Yeah, I wasn't the one who kicked you. I was busy sending out guild mail at the time, which I would have had to start all over again if I exited the mail ui and entered the guild ui, and given the fact MailR tends to take a full half hour to send otu mail, I wsn't going to do it. It was another officer who kicked you.
- r/ to guild member: Also, I was never "warned" of anything. Someone just mentioned that the price was below market and we left it at that. It doesn't matter who kicked me. As I said, no hard feelings.
- r/ from Guild member: I relly, truly hope there aren't, and I hope you can find a good home trade guild, but... well, I'm sorry; but we can't allow such drastic undercutting. I mean, like I said, if you negotiate it between yourselves that's a different issue, but asking for it outright? That's just devaluing the hard work that went into getting those mats in the first place.
- r/ to Guild member: There aren't. However, I was kicked for doing nothing wrong other than looking to buy some mats from my guildmates. Not looking for handouts. "Undercutting" is a mischaracterization of a "request to buy" in guild chat. I read the rules. There is nothing in there about not requesting trades at below MM values. Just as there is no penalty for requesting more than fair market value for an item.
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The reason I'm posting this long winded story is that I want to make sure I'm not being inconsiderate in this situation. Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates? If it is, I will refrain from doing so. However, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I sent out that same request to all of the other guilds that I'm in and received plenty of Kresh.
And this is why we need a regular auction house system and dump these guild traders. Not all trading guilds are bad, but with the wrong leadership many are toxic. I don't understand Zos logic behind this and promoting bad behavior. Biggest mistake Zos ever made. I belonged to a great trading guild on console. Was one of the top trading guilds for a very long time. They changed leadership and then changed names twice. I log in to find I no longer had selling priviledges because I was late two days. It was even still in the week cycle for payment. Had never missed paying or keeping my slots stocked before, even when I took a break from the game. Needless to say I left the guild as it was on a downhill spiral ever since the original guild ended. Don't stay in guilds like this. There are plenty out there with better leaders.Edited by LadyDestiny on June 5, 2018 8:05AM2 -
Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
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This and to keep up with the trend this is now an nerf sorc tread.xilfxlegion wrote: »
i would love to see a thread go multiple pages without people bringing this up.Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
you could start a discussion called " the blue skies of tamriel " and within 20 replies some donkey will cry about the trading system.
it's never going to happen so please stop spamming the damn forums
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.2 -
Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
No, nope and no lol
I do like the auction house or marketplace system some other MMO's have but this is the way ZOS has the market setup in this game and they are not going to change it. Too much work.0 -
Imhotep71✭✭✭I belong(ed) to 5 trading guilds since I usually play solo I only need a guild so I can sell my wares.
I've been leveling my crafting so I need bunches of materials. I started yesterday and needed Ebonthread. TTC showed it for 12 on the low end so I asked my guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. Many people sent me stacks at that price (10 each).
Today, I've moved onto Kresh fiber and again the low end was 12-15, however the average was 22. I asked the same guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. I had a few takers and bought 550 at 10g each.
It is all good up to that point. Then I saw messages in guildchat.
This is the conversation that followed from there:- Guild member: Um, sorry hon, but the TTC for Kresh Fibre is double that. TTC Price for [Kresh Fiber] : Suggested : 21 ~ 26 [Avg 44.41/Min 4/Max 14,153.33] (206 listings/18,940 items) So a stack would be 4k.
- Me: People do sell below MM price. I just received 550 units @10. So there is that, hon.
- Guild member: Good for you, but please don't try to rip off your fellow guildmates by asking for mats below market value. It's kinda rude.
- Guild member: If you negotiate a lower price, of course, that's totally fine. But asking for it outright... yeah, sorry, love, but I can't let that happen. Sorry.
- Me: People with extra mats and all slots full will accept a lower price. I'm not twisting anyones arm. You're not "letting anything happen." If they don't want to sell, they won't.
- Me: I only asked one time and got more than enough so obviously people think that is fair enough
- Guild member: you are speaking to an officer. Show some respect. This is your second warning, because I know that you did this yesterday and another officer told you not to. This is not "one time" this is the second. Don't ask for items under market value and don't be an arsehole when we let you know what the market value is, on the of chance it was a genuine mistake.
- (I went AFK here.)
- Guild member: Well?
- Guild member: Answer me.
- Guild member: Very well.
- Guild member #2: bye.
- (I return and find I've been kicked from the guild.)
- Tell to guild member: I had to go afk. I have no hard feelings about any of this. You're an officer so you are allowed to do what you'd like. In many guilds, people will freely trade things below fair value as that is one of the major benefits to a trading guild. Each member is entitled to sell his wares at whatever price suits them. For instance, I had asked to buy some ebonthread @10 and instead someone sent me 100 units for 0. That was their decision. I was only offering a price.
- r/ from Guild member: Yeah, I wasn't the one who kicked you. I was busy sending out guild mail at the time, which I would have had to start all over again if I exited the mail ui and entered the guild ui, and given the fact MailR tends to take a full half hour to send otu mail, I wsn't going to do it. It was another officer who kicked you.
- r/ to guild member: Also, I was never "warned" of anything. Someone just mentioned that the price was below market and we left it at that. It doesn't matter who kicked me. As I said, no hard feelings.
- r/ from Guild member: I relly, truly hope there aren't, and I hope you can find a good home trade guild, but... well, I'm sorry; but we can't allow such drastic undercutting. I mean, like I said, if you negotiate it between yourselves that's a different issue, but asking for it outright? That's just devaluing the hard work that went into getting those mats in the first place.
- r/ to Guild member: There aren't. However, I was kicked for doing nothing wrong other than looking to buy some mats from my guildmates. Not looking for handouts. "Undercutting" is a mischaracterization of a "request to buy" in guild chat. I read the rules. There is nothing in there about not requesting trades at below MM values. Just as there is no penalty for requesting more than fair market value for an item.
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The reason I'm posting this long winded story is that I want to make sure I'm not being inconsiderate in this situation. Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates? If it is, I will refrain from doing so. However, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I sent out that same request to all of the other guilds that I'm in and received plenty of Kresh.
LOL Show some respect? Answer me! Ugh its a video game lol power trip much. Youre better off not in that mess.Ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?1 -
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✭I belong(ed) to 5 trading guilds since I usually play solo I only need a guild so I can sell my wares.
I've been leveling my crafting so I need bunches of materials. I started yesterday and needed Ebonthread. TTC showed it for 12 on the low end so I asked my guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. Many people sent me stacks at that price (10 each).
Today, I've moved onto Kresh fiber and again the low end was 12-15, however the average was 22. I asked the same guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. I had a few takers and bought 550 at 10g each.
It is all good up to that point. Then I saw messages in guildchat.
This is the conversation that followed from there:- Guild member: Um, sorry hon, but the TTC for Kresh Fibre is double that. TTC Price for [Kresh Fiber] : Suggested : 21 ~ 26 [Avg 44.41/Min 4/Max 14,153.33] (206 listings/18,940 items) So a stack would be 4k.
- Me: People do sell below MM price. I just received 550 units @10. So there is that, hon.
- Guild member: Good for you, but please don't try to rip off your fellow guildmates by asking for mats below market value. It's kinda rude.
- Guild member: If you negotiate a lower price, of course, that's totally fine. But asking for it outright... yeah, sorry, love, but I can't let that happen. Sorry.
- Me: People with extra mats and all slots full will accept a lower price. I'm not twisting anyones arm. You're not "letting anything happen." If they don't want to sell, they won't.
- Me: I only asked one time and got more than enough so obviously people think that is fair enough
- Guild member: you are speaking to an officer. Show some respect. This is your second warning, because I know that you did this yesterday and another officer told you not to. This is not "one time" this is the second. Don't ask for items under market value and don't be an arsehole when we let you know what the market value is, on the of chance it was a genuine mistake.
- (I went AFK here.)
- Guild member: Well?
- Guild member: Answer me.
- Guild member: Very well.
- Guild member #2: bye.
- (I return and find I've been kicked from the guild.)
- Tell to guild member: I had to go afk. I have no hard feelings about any of this. You're an officer so you are allowed to do what you'd like. In many guilds, people will freely trade things below fair value as that is one of the major benefits to a trading guild. Each member is entitled to sell his wares at whatever price suits them. For instance, I had asked to buy some ebonthread @10 and instead someone sent me 100 units for 0. That was their decision. I was only offering a price.
- r/ from Guild member: Yeah, I wasn't the one who kicked you. I was busy sending out guild mail at the time, which I would have had to start all over again if I exited the mail ui and entered the guild ui, and given the fact MailR tends to take a full half hour to send otu mail, I wsn't going to do it. It was another officer who kicked you.
- r/ to guild member: Also, I was never "warned" of anything. Someone just mentioned that the price was below market and we left it at that. It doesn't matter who kicked me. As I said, no hard feelings.
- r/ from Guild member: I relly, truly hope there aren't, and I hope you can find a good home trade guild, but... well, I'm sorry; but we can't allow such drastic undercutting. I mean, like I said, if you negotiate it between yourselves that's a different issue, but asking for it outright? That's just devaluing the hard work that went into getting those mats in the first place.
- r/ to Guild member: There aren't. However, I was kicked for doing nothing wrong other than looking to buy some mats from my guildmates. Not looking for handouts. "Undercutting" is a mischaracterization of a "request to buy" in guild chat. I read the rules. There is nothing in there about not requesting trades at below MM values. Just as there is no penalty for requesting more than fair market value for an item.
- (No more replies.)
The reason I'm posting this long winded story is that I want to make sure I'm not being inconsiderate in this situation. Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates? If it is, I will refrain from doing so. However, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I sent out that same request to all of the other guilds that I'm in and received plenty of Kresh.
theres ppl that do this unfortunately if you wanna negotiate just keep it off the guild store cause thatll really make people mad lol. but its not to bad to haggle with ppl outside of it.0 -
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✭✭I belong(ed) to 5 trading guilds since I usually play solo I only need a guild so I can sell my wares.
I've been leveling my crafting so I need bunches of materials. I started yesterday and needed Ebonthread. TTC showed it for 12 on the low end so I asked my guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. Many people sent me stacks at that price (10 each).
Today, I've moved onto Kresh fiber and again the low end was 12-15, however the average was 22. I asked the same guilds if anyone would sell me stacks at 2k each. I had a few takers and bought 550 at 10g each.
It is all good up to that point. Then I saw messages in guildchat.
This is the conversation that followed from there:- Guild member: Um, sorry hon, but the TTC for Kresh Fibre is double that. TTC Price for [Kresh Fiber] : Suggested : 21 ~ 26 [Avg 44.41/Min 4/Max 14,153.33] (206 listings/18,940 items) So a stack would be 4k.
- Me: People do sell below MM price. I just received 550 units @10. So there is that, hon.
- Guild member: Good for you, but please don't try to rip off your fellow guildmates by asking for mats below market value. It's kinda rude.
- Guild member: If you negotiate a lower price, of course, that's totally fine. But asking for it outright... yeah, sorry, love, but I can't let that happen. Sorry.
- Me: People with extra mats and all slots full will accept a lower price. I'm not twisting anyones arm. You're not "letting anything happen." If they don't want to sell, they won't.
- Me: I only asked one time and got more than enough so obviously people think that is fair enough
- Guild member: you are speaking to an officer. Show some respect. This is your second warning, because I know that you did this yesterday and another officer told you not to. This is not "one time" this is the second. Don't ask for items under market value and don't be an arsehole when we let you know what the market value is, on the of chance it was a genuine mistake.
- (I went AFK here.)
- Guild member: Well?
- Guild member: Answer me.
- Guild member: Very well.
- Guild member #2: bye.
- (I return and find I've been kicked from the guild.)
- Tell to guild member: I had to go afk. I have no hard feelings about any of this. You're an officer so you are allowed to do what you'd like. In many guilds, people will freely trade things below fair value as that is one of the major benefits to a trading guild. Each member is entitled to sell his wares at whatever price suits them. For instance, I had asked to buy some ebonthread @10 and instead someone sent me 100 units for 0. That was their decision. I was only offering a price.
- r/ from Guild member: Yeah, I wasn't the one who kicked you. I was busy sending out guild mail at the time, which I would have had to start all over again if I exited the mail ui and entered the guild ui, and given the fact MailR tends to take a full half hour to send otu mail, I wsn't going to do it. It was another officer who kicked you.
- r/ to guild member: Also, I was never "warned" of anything. Someone just mentioned that the price was below market and we left it at that. It doesn't matter who kicked me. As I said, no hard feelings.
- r/ from Guild member: I relly, truly hope there aren't, and I hope you can find a good home trade guild, but... well, I'm sorry; but we can't allow such drastic undercutting. I mean, like I said, if you negotiate it between yourselves that's a different issue, but asking for it outright? That's just devaluing the hard work that went into getting those mats in the first place.
- r/ to Guild member: There aren't. However, I was kicked for doing nothing wrong other than looking to buy some mats from my guildmates. Not looking for handouts. "Undercutting" is a mischaracterization of a "request to buy" in guild chat. I read the rules. There is nothing in there about not requesting trades at below MM values. Just as there is no penalty for requesting more than fair market value for an item.
- (No more replies.)
The reason I'm posting this long winded story is that I want to make sure I'm not being inconsiderate in this situation. Is it bad form to ask for prices below market value when you're buying in guildchat from your guildmates? If it is, I will refrain from doing so. However, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I sent out that same request to all of the other guilds that I'm in and received plenty of Kresh.
@crapgame Is that chat in your OP verbatim, or is there some paraphrasing tere?0 -
Aeeeek✭✭If you are really about trading, play EVE, remembering that bigger = bigger TARGET
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✭✭✭✭"Officer Respect"
"Have you ever had to organize a raffle?"
"Have you ever had to be on the receiving end of a hide and seek scavenger hunt?"
"Have you ever had to fend off other guilds from your trader's rightful location?"
"How about mass mails?"
Didn't think so...
Those that don't get it clearly didn't serve in The Great Trade War of 2E 567.
- Dude, it's a trade guild.
- It's a trade guild in an imaginary game world.
- For those that has IRL served, this is beyond laughable.
OP, why didn't you just purchase directly from the guild vendor, as most guilds have you do?Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Aeeeek✭✭yes, I first look to buy from any of my guilds without a store (NOT going to give charity)
Was a shock when I found myself buying from a my guildstore outside of a bank, felt wrong.Edited by Aeeeek on June 5, 2018 1:13PM0 -
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✭Common sense stuff here - don’t be a mooch. Officers of guilds are like any other thing, mediocre folks everywhere. You ran into a passive aggressive one who gave you material for a forum post.
I would have simply said to not be a mooch. One time deal, no problem. Occasionally, no problem.
Systemically asking for handouts, which these were, not “deals”, is annoying oxygen thief stuff. If its a free guild and they carry a trader? I’d boot scrubs too, and protect my nicer, bend over backwards to help even scrubs types from being taken advantage of. And I’d do so plenty publically.
Stop asking for handouts and you’ll come up against passive aggressive types less.Esse quam videri.0 -
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✭✭Common sense stuff here - don’t be a mooch. Officers of guilds are like any other thing, mediocre folks everywhere. You ran into a passive aggressive one who gave you material for a forum post.
I would have simply said to not be a mooch. One time deal, no problem. Occasionally, no problem.
Systemically asking for handouts, which these were, not “deals”, is annoying oxygen thief stuff. If its a free guild and they carry a trader? I’d boot scrubs too, and protect my nicer, bend over backwards to help even scrubs types from being taken advantage of. And I’d do so plenty publically.
Stop asking for handouts and you’ll come up against passive aggressive types less.
What makes that officer passive-aggressve instead of just aggressive? Where is the passive part?
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@crapgame Is that chat in your OP verbatim, or is there some paraphrasing tere?
Copied and pasted verbatim with names removed.
I honestly didn't think that this thread would go on so long. My account is old but I only really started playing so I just had no idea what the norms are in this MMO. From the bulk of the replies, I feel pretty confident that I just walked into a bad situation. There has been some mail from the officer where he/she was explaining that the kick was unexpected and not his/her idea. I was asked to email the GM if I wanted to get reinstated. I was also told that their rules are "in flux" and that "they do things a bit differently."
Didn't really matter. As I said before I was in a different trading guild less than 15 minutes after the kick and I don't really have an urge to return.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »OP, why didn't you just purchase directly from the guild vendor, as most guilds have you do?
If what you're looking for is available in the vendor at the price you'd like to pay then why would anyone subject themselves to the back and forth of p2p trading? Of course, I tried my 5 vendors first. Only small lots available (<25) and too expensive (>20).
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This and to keep up with the trend this is now an nerf sorc tread.xilfxlegion wrote: »
i would love to see a thread go multiple pages without people bringing this up.Your ex-guild officers are 100% wrong and their elitist attitudes is in part what makes this game suck. Of course I don't blame them, I blame the design of the trade system in that it allows for these kinds of attitudes to surface and flourish.
yes, of course, blame the trade system that wasnt even used and had no bearing on what happened. Thats a typical response from you.
Allow me to educate you. The VERY GUILD TRADE SYSTEM that has been put in place by ZOS is what allowed these elitist attitudes to flourish in the first place. IF we had a central auction house system (what the game sorely needs), then none of this would have happened.
So yes, yes, yes and yes, this is the fault of the trade system.
you could start a discussion called " the blue skies of tamriel " and within 20 replies some donkey will cry about the trading system.
it's never going to happen so please stop spamming the damn forums
And nerf those cloak spamming NBs too while you're at it. LOL
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✭✭✭✭This reminds me of a guild I was in that was advertised as a 'general' guild for PVP, trading and PVE.
Nowhere in the rules did it list this BTW but when I joined, about a hour later a guildie was asking for a vampire bite, i happened to have one so i offered to grant it for him. Then the guild leader jumps in and tells us we can't accept or give out bites from anyone else but her and her officers. I was kinda miffed but decided to let it go, expecting her to give the bite. I ask the guildie in tells about a half an hour later because I never saw any discussion, he never got a bite because all of the leader and co-leader's bites were on cooldown.
At that point I decided to offer him the bite I had and we just don't tell the guild. So we agree, group up, head to the shrine in the Rift and I give him the bite. I saw some other people at the shrine but paid them no mind, but it wasn't hardly a minute until i got a angry Tell from the leader, all upset that I gave the guildie my vampire bite, saying she saw me there and sure enough her character was there.
Now I guess I should have picked a different place because before she butt in I did say in guild chat I'd be going to the Rift, but I didn't think she'd follow us there to make sure we didn't do it! Both me and the guy who wanted the bite left the guild and blocked the leader, I invited the guy to another one of my guilds because he was a new player and that was the only guild he had. But wow.... I couldn't believe it, guild leaders let the power get to their heads sometimes.Edited by coop500 on June 5, 2018 9:39PMHoping for more playable races6 -
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@crapgame Is that chat in your OP verbatim, or is there some paraphrasing tere?
Copied and pasted verbatim with names removed.
I honestly didn't think that this thread would go on so long. My account is old but I only really started playing so I just had no idea what the norms are in this MMO. From the bulk of the replies, I feel pretty confident that I just walked into a bad situation. There has been some mail from the officer where he/she was explaining that the kick was unexpected and not his/her idea. I was asked to email the GM if I wanted to get reinstated. I was also told that their rules are "in flux" and that "they do things a bit differently."
Didn't really matter. As I said before I was in a different trading guild less than 15 minutes after the kick and I don't really have an urge to return.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »OP, why didn't you just purchase directly from the guild vendor, as most guilds have you do?
If what you're looking for is available in the vendor at the price you'd like to pay then why would anyone subject themselves to the back and forth of p2p trading? Of course, I tried my 5 vendors first. Only small lots available (<25) and too expensive (>20).
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DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This reminds me of a guild I was in that was advertised as a 'general' guild for PVP, trading and PVE.
Nowhere in the rules did it list this BTW but when I joined, about a hour later a guildie was asking for a vampire bite, i happened to have one so i offered to grant it for him. Then the guild leader jumps in and tells us we can't accept or give out bites from anyone else but her and her officers. I was kinda miffed but decided to let it go, expecting her to give the bite. I ask the guildie in tells about a half an hour later because I never saw any discussion, he never got a bite because all of the leader and co-leader's bites were on cooldown.
At that point I decided to offer him the bite I had and we just don't tell the guild. So we agree, group up, head to the shrine in the Rift and I give him the bite. I saw some other people at the shrine but paid them no mind, but it wasn't hardly a minute until i got a angry Tell from the leader, all upset that I gave the guildie my vampire bite, saying she saw me there and sure enough her character was there.
Now I guess I should have picked a different place because before she butt in I did say in guild chat I'd be going to the Rift, but I didn't think she'd follow us there to make sure we didn't do it! Both me and the guy who wanted the bite left the guild and blocked the leader, I invited the guy to another one of my guilds because he was a new player and that was the only guild he had. But wow.... I couldn't believe it, guild leaders let the power get to their heads sometimes.
So what was the purpose of only allowing officers to give vampire bites? It's not like it's a multi-level marketing scheme where you get a cut of the profits of everyone you bite and everyone they bite.0 -
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✭✭✭✭This reminds me of a guild I was in that was advertised as a 'general' guild for PVP, trading and PVE.
Nowhere in the rules did it list this BTW but when I joined, about a hour later a guildie was asking for a vampire bite, i happened to have one so i offered to grant it for him. Then the guild leader jumps in and tells us we can't accept or give out bites from anyone else but her and her officers. I was kinda miffed but decided to let it go, expecting her to give the bite. I ask the guildie in tells about a half an hour later because I never saw any discussion, he never got a bite because all of the leader and co-leader's bites were on cooldown.
At that point I decided to offer him the bite I had and we just don't tell the guild. So we agree, group up, head to the shrine in the Rift and I give him the bite. I saw some other people at the shrine but paid them no mind, but it wasn't hardly a minute until i got a angry Tell from the leader, all upset that I gave the guildie my vampire bite, saying she saw me there and sure enough her character was there.
Now I guess I should have picked a different place because before she butt in I did say in guild chat I'd be going to the Rift, but I didn't think she'd follow us there to make sure we didn't do it! Both me and the guy who wanted the bite left the guild and blocked the leader, I invited the guy to another one of my guilds because he was a new player and that was the only guild he had. But wow.... I couldn't believe it, guild leaders let the power get to their heads sometimes.
So what was the purpose of only allowing officers to give vampire bites? It's not like it's a multi-level marketing scheme where you get a cut of the profits of everyone you bite and everyone they bite.
It was for rp reasons I believe, the leader and co leaders were like the vampire maidens or something, the way they worded it made me think for rp reasons anyway but nowhere in the guild ad and page did it mention being a rp guildHoping for more playable races0 -
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✭This reminds me of a guild I was in that was advertised as a 'general' guild for PVP, trading and PVE.
Nowhere in the rules did it list this BTW but when I joined, about a hour later a guildie was asking for a vampire bite, i happened to have one so i offered to grant it for him. Then the guild leader jumps in and tells us we can't accept or give out bites from anyone else but her and her officers. I was kinda miffed but decided to let it go, expecting her to give the bite. I ask the guildie in tells about a half an hour later because I never saw any discussion, he never got a bite because all of the leader and co-leader's bites were on cooldown.
At that point I decided to offer him the bite I had and we just don't tell the guild. So we agree, group up, head to the shrine in the Rift and I give him the bite. I saw some other people at the shrine but paid them no mind, but it wasn't hardly a minute until i got a angry Tell from the leader, all upset that I gave the guildie my vampire bite, saying she saw me there and sure enough her character was there.
Now I guess I should have picked a different place because before she butt in I did say in guild chat I'd be going to the Rift, but I didn't think she'd follow us there to make sure we didn't do it! Both me and the guy who wanted the bite left the guild and blocked the leader, I invited the guy to another one of my guilds because he was a new player and that was the only guild he had. But wow.... I couldn't believe it, guild leaders let the power get to their heads sometimes.
So what was the purpose of only allowing officers to give vampire bites? It's not like it's a multi-level marketing scheme where you get a cut of the profits of everyone you bite and everyone they bite.
It was for rp reasons I believe, the leader and co leaders were like the vampire maidens or something, the way they worded it made me think for rp reasons anyway but nowhere in the guild ad and page did it mention being a rp guild
vampire guilds tend to do that they also run around killing off the bloodfiends that give you it for free.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »This reminds me of a guild I was in that was advertised as a 'general' guild for PVP, trading and PVE.
Nowhere in the rules did it list this BTW but when I joined, about a hour later a guildie was asking for a vampire bite, i happened to have one so i offered to grant it for him. Then the guild leader jumps in and tells us we can't accept or give out bites from anyone else but her and her officers. I was kinda miffed but decided to let it go, expecting her to give the bite. I ask the guildie in tells about a half an hour later because I never saw any discussion, he never got a bite because all of the leader and co-leader's bites were on cooldown.
At that point I decided to offer him the bite I had and we just don't tell the guild. So we agree, group up, head to the shrine in the Rift and I give him the bite. I saw some other people at the shrine but paid them no mind, but it wasn't hardly a minute until i got a angry Tell from the leader, all upset that I gave the guildie my vampire bite, saying she saw me there and sure enough her character was there.
Now I guess I should have picked a different place because before she butt in I did say in guild chat I'd be going to the Rift, but I didn't think she'd follow us there to make sure we didn't do it! Both me and the guy who wanted the bite left the guild and blocked the leader, I invited the guy to another one of my guilds because he was a new player and that was the only guild he had. But wow.... I couldn't believe it, guild leaders let the power get to their heads sometimes.
So what was the purpose of only allowing officers to give vampire bites? It's not like it's a multi-level marketing scheme where you get a cut of the profits of everyone you bite and everyone they bite.
It was for rp reasons I believe, the leader and co leaders were like the vampire maidens or something, the way they worded it made me think for rp reasons anyway but nowhere in the guild ad and page did it mention being a rp guild
vampire guilds tend to do that they also run around killing off the bloodfiends that give you it for free.
That used to be a big issue on PS4 NA. You'd have certain RP guilds go and kill the werewolf/bloodfiend spawns saying they were "purging evil from the land", but would turn around and sell vamp/WW bites for 50k+
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2
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