Diggles_MacSkree wrote: »

I'm a woman who happens to be transgender. I completed the quest yesterday. To see trans folk represented in a way that is respectful and well-grounded lifts my heart. They did a good thing with this story, and it is very much appreciated. Much love to your writers.

Aliyavana wrote: »

Diggles_MacSkree wrote: »

I'm a woman who happens to be transgender. I completed the quest yesterday. To see trans folk represented in a way that is respectful and well-grounded lifts my heart. They did a good thing with this story, and it is very much appreciated. Much love to your writers.

I'm confused, does that mean your a women who changed to be a man or a man that changed to be a women? I like that controversial things irl are simply looked at as normal In nirn. Even dibella sees all love as pure

DoctorESO wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

way too short, and no mask reward. was expecting to join and perform with them.. like we did in witcher 3...

The mask was datamined. There are two sets of masks that will probably be in the Crown Store.

JJBoomer wrote: »

100% agreed! This was wonderful. and this is not the only lgbt+ character or story that was introduced in Summerset either. There have been at least a handful. I like that the devs are being more gutsy/inclusive and being less inclined to uphold the cis/straight standard in fantasy.

Good job! absolutely love this!

Saccarius wrote: »

I like how they did this quest on the whole. The difficulty with introducing trans characters in worlds where the term doesn't exist is whether you address it at all. The trans people I know who generally pass don't want to get to clocked going about their daily lives but then this doesn't help with visibility.

Creating a fun quest where you discover the sexual identity of a character as part of the story line gives you a reason to know the character is a trans woman without her walking up to you and saying "Hello, everyone thought I was a boy but, I've always known I'm a woman." She can't even say she was assigned male at birth or simply that she is a trans woman in this setting so it become even more clumsy when you have to spell it out in fantasy language but I think they did well here. I do have to point out though that this would be a nightmare scenario for a trans person in real life. Some nobody poking around their place of work trying to clock them so they could decide whether to spill the secret that they're keeping for whatever reason. Still, if we go in with the assumption that the player just wants to help reunite a family, we can forgive them for being unbelievably nosey.

I like how the post quest dialogue was optional because it was a little heavy on the "education". As a gay guy, I kind of roll my eyes just a little when a game tries to teach me about LGBT issues (mostly performed by cis-het actors) but I appreciate it's not really for me. It's for people that want to know more or just want to spend more time with a character like themselves. I like the fact that they didn't "hide" the character's sexual identity or leave it ambiguous but finding out more was up to the player.

The only thing that sort of bothered me was the fact that Alchemy came across a bit like a magical drag queen. I mean she is a performer, she isn't playing the part of a woman but she is playing the part of Alchemy. She says that she will likely change her name again at some point and you can tell from the difference in her dialogue when you first meet her and when you talk to her later that her natural persona is very different to Alchemy's. A lot of trans women start off doing drag either for fun or professionally but just as many (probably most) don't dress as women in public until they are ready to start transitioning. It's not the worst stereotype (queens rock) but it is a stereotype that all trans women are performers with over-the-top personalities because people tend to conflate the two things.

Still, I though they did a great job over all.

Aliyavana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Saccarius wrote: »

I like how they did this quest on the whole. The difficulty with introducing trans characters in worlds where the term doesn't exist is whether you address it at all. The trans people I know who generally pass don't want to get to clocked going about their daily lives but then this doesn't help with visibility.

Creating a fun quest where you discover the sexual identity of a character as part of the story line gives you a reason to know the character is a trans woman without her walking up to you and saying "Hello, everyone thought I was a boy but, I've always known I'm a woman." She can't even say she was assigned male at birth or simply that she is a trans woman in this setting so it become even more clumsy when you have to spell it out in fantasy language but I think they did well here. I do have to point out though that this would be a nightmare scenario for a trans person in real life. Some nobody poking around their place of work trying to clock them so they could decide whether to spill the secret that they're keeping for whatever reason. Still, if we go in with the assumption that the player just wants to help reunite a family, we can forgive them for being unbelievably nosey.

I like how the post quest dialogue was optional because it was a little heavy on the "education". As a gay guy, I kind of roll my eyes just a little when a game tries to teach me about LGBT issues (mostly performed by cis-het actors) but I appreciate it's not really for me. It's for people that want to know more or just want to spend more time with a character like themselves. I like the fact that they didn't "hide" the character's sexual identity or leave it ambiguous but finding out more was up to the player.

The only thing that sort of bothered me was the fact that Alchemy came across a bit like a magical drag queen. I mean she is a performer, she isn't playing the part of a woman but she is playing the part of Alchemy. She says that she will likely change her name again at some point and you can tell from the difference in her dialogue when you first meet her and when you talk to her later that her natural persona is very different to Alchemy's. A lot of trans women start off doing drag either for fun or professionally but just as many (probably most) don't dress as women in public until they are ready to start transitioning. It's not the worst stereotype (queens rock) but it is a stereotype that all trans women are performers with over-the-top personalities because people tend to conflate the two things.

Still, I though they did a great job over all.

honestly, I got an impression that it was mostly to

hide her identity from her sister and make sure that Alchemy's twin follows her dreams as well, and now that this has been assured, Alchemy can be more herself instead of assuming the persona you see early in a quest.

I wonder if instead of using a surgeon, a person on nirn can say go to a mage to change to change your biology completely, and if this requires a powerful mage and if it would be expensive. I know artifacts such as mehrunes razor can change your gender and even race, but can a common mage change your gender permanently if desired? I know raz was changed to queen ayreen's appearance but that was temporary

Aliyavana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Saccarius wrote: »

I like how they did this quest on the whole. The difficulty with introducing trans characters in worlds where the term doesn't exist is whether you address it at all. The trans people I know who generally pass don't want to get to clocked going about their daily lives but then this doesn't help with visibility.

Creating a fun quest where you discover the sexual identity of a character as part of the story line gives you a reason to know the character is a trans woman without her walking up to you and saying "Hello, everyone thought I was a boy but, I've always known I'm a woman." She can't even say she was assigned male at birth or simply that she is a trans woman in this setting so it become even more clumsy when you have to spell it out in fantasy language but I think they did well here. I do have to point out though that this would be a nightmare scenario for a trans person in real life. Some nobody poking around their place of work trying to clock them so they could decide whether to spill the secret that they're keeping for whatever reason. Still, if we go in with the assumption that the player just wants to help reunite a family, we can forgive them for being unbelievably nosey.

I like how the post quest dialogue was optional because it was a little heavy on the "education". As a gay guy, I kind of roll my eyes just a little when a game tries to teach me about LGBT issues (mostly performed by cis-het actors) but I appreciate it's not really for me. It's for people that want to know more or just want to spend more time with a character like themselves. I like the fact that they didn't "hide" the character's sexual identity or leave it ambiguous but finding out more was up to the player.

The only thing that sort of bothered me was the fact that Alchemy came across a bit like a magical drag queen. I mean she is a performer, she isn't playing the part of a woman but she is playing the part of Alchemy. She says that she will likely change her name again at some point and you can tell from the difference in her dialogue when you first meet her and when you talk to her later that her natural persona is very different to Alchemy's. A lot of trans women start off doing drag either for fun or professionally but just as many (probably most) don't dress as women in public until they are ready to start transitioning. It's not the worst stereotype (queens rock) but it is a stereotype that all trans women are performers with over-the-top personalities because people tend to conflate the two things.

Still, I though they did a great job over all.

honestly, I got an impression that it was mostly to

hide her identity from her sister and make sure that Alchemy's twin follows her dreams as well, and now that this has been assured, Alchemy can be more herself instead of assuming the persona you see early in a quest.

I wonder if instead of using a surgeon, a person on nirn can say go to a mage to change to change your biology completely, permanently, and if this requires a powerful mage and if it would be expensive. I know artifacts such as mehrunes razor can change your gender and even race, but can a common mage change your gender permanently if desired? I know raz was changed to queen ayreen's appearance but that was temporary illusion. Hmm does anyone know if that mage in skyrim change your gender?

Recremen wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Saccarius wrote: »

I like how they did this quest on the whole. The difficulty with introducing trans characters in worlds where the term doesn't exist is whether you address it at all. The trans people I know who generally pass don't want to get to clocked going about their daily lives but then this doesn't help with visibility.

Creating a fun quest where you discover the sexual identity of a character as part of the story line gives you a reason to know the character is a trans woman without her walking up to you and saying "Hello, everyone thought I was a boy but, I've always known I'm a woman." She can't even say she was assigned male at birth or simply that she is a trans woman in this setting so it become even more clumsy when you have to spell it out in fantasy language but I think they did well here. I do have to point out though that this would be a nightmare scenario for a trans person in real life. Some nobody poking around their place of work trying to clock them so they could decide whether to spill the secret that they're keeping for whatever reason. Still, if we go in with the assumption that the player just wants to help reunite a family, we can forgive them for being unbelievably nosey.

I like how the post quest dialogue was optional because it was a little heavy on the "education". As a gay guy, I kind of roll my eyes just a little when a game tries to teach me about LGBT issues (mostly performed by cis-het actors) but I appreciate it's not really for me. It's for people that want to know more or just want to spend more time with a character like themselves. I like the fact that they didn't "hide" the character's sexual identity or leave it ambiguous but finding out more was up to the player.

The only thing that sort of bothered me was the fact that Alchemy came across a bit like a magical drag queen. I mean she is a performer, she isn't playing the part of a woman but she is playing the part of Alchemy. She says that she will likely change her name again at some point and you can tell from the difference in her dialogue when you first meet her and when you talk to her later that her natural persona is very different to Alchemy's. A lot of trans women start off doing drag either for fun or professionally but just as many (probably most) don't dress as women in public until they are ready to start transitioning. It's not the worst stereotype (queens rock) but it is a stereotype that all trans women are performers with over-the-top personalities because people tend to conflate the two things.

Still, I though they did a great job over all.

honestly, I got an impression that it was mostly to

hide her identity from her sister and make sure that Alchemy's twin follows her dreams as well, and now that this has been assured, Alchemy can be more herself instead of assuming the persona you see early in a quest.

I wonder if instead of using a surgeon, a person on nirn can say go to a mage to change to change your biology completely, permanently, and if this requires a powerful mage and if it would be expensive. I know artifacts such as mehrunes razor can change your gender and even race, but can a common mage change your gender permanently if desired? I know raz was changed to queen ayreen's appearance but that was temporary illusion. Hmm does anyone know if that mage in skyrim change your gender?

If you do after-quest follow-up with Alchemy she in fact tells you that she used magic to change her body! Find her in her office and she talks more about it.

Recremen wrote: »

MakoFore wrote: »

where is this quest?> when does it start? im not really a quester- but this is interesting

@MakoFore

It's in Summerset, the place is called Rellenthil! Just a little northeast of Alinor, the map pin looks like a broken tower.