Could ZOS do something to make Cyrodiil more fun for players in Alliances that are getting stomped?

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

XB1 EU's only decently populated campaign (Vivec) has been absolutely dominated by AD for the past week. I'm trying to unlock Vigor and Caltrops on my Nightblade, and since he's an EP character (i.e. part of the Alliance that has had control of no more than 3 keeps the entire time this has been going on) and there's absolutely 100% no way to change a character's Alliance (which is stupid af, with this being one of the main reasons why) getting AP from any source has been a drag, and barely any of it has been even remotely fun.

I try joining up with a zerg, but most of them are sloppy and uncoordinated, and whenever I find a group that looks even remotely decent, the minute we try and take a keep, a horde of AD players come out of nowhere and shut us down with sheer numbers before we can even blink. My only options for getting AP are either staying in the current campaign where we're getting stomped (which is not fun) or moving to one of the less populated servers (where there are almost no players at all, also not fun).

To put it bluntly, when your Alliance is getting stomped in the ONLY decent campaign, PvP feels like a chore, and that sucks ass. People get bored, people leave, and then the problem gets worse because there are even less players to try and fight back.

There has to be a better way of doing this....

The only suggestion I can think of is a campaign that's 1 day only. That way Alliances that lose one day can try again the next.

IXxIronWolfxXI · June 2018

BGS, 4 hours of BGS will solve your issues

White wabbit · June 2018

Yeah xbox Eu PvP really needs so tlc before it's too late it's become too unbalanced

Lunatic_Dizzy · June 2018

I know what you mean. With as many AD players as I see in Cyro: I really don't know how it can be called PvP. Cuz when ever you storm a keep, you're mostly killing NPCs and maybe a handful of Players that happen to be there or show up. Sure, you may be in Cyro (this game's multiplayer zone), but you're still playing PvE. Seems redundant.

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

Lunatic_Dizzy wrote: »

I know what you mean. With as many AD players as I see in Cyro: I really don't know how they can even call it PvP. Cuz when ever they storm a keep, they're mostly killing NPCs and maybe a handful of Players that happen to be there or show up. Sure, you may be in Cyro (this game's multiplayer zone), but you're still playing PvE. Seems redundant.

This is why I think a Neutral Cyrodiil Campaign would be fun. You could just team up with players of any Alliance and storm keeps guarded by NPCs. It would be a PvE Cyrodiil, and they could still make it just as fun. After all, storming keeps is the fun part of Cyrodiil. They could always balance it out by halving AP gains in that Campaign.

Bonzodog01 · June 2018

Yeah, it seems EP are now content with having taken Shor over, and DC have Sotha Sil. BG's aren't very popular on XBox EU because its no-cp and well, Xbox EU players just won't play no-CP stuff. PVP is close to dead on XBox EU right now.

Jameliel · June 2018

PvP could definitely use some new modes. Lots of good ideas have been given but will ZO$ pay attention?

White wabbit · June 2018

That is why I have asked for a server transfer but zos just won't do it

IXxIronWolfxXI · June 2018

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Yeah, it seems EP are now content with having taken Shor over, and DC have Sotha Sil. BG's aren't very popular on XBox EU because its no-cp and well, Xbox EU players just won't play no-CP stuff. PVP is close to dead on XBox EU right now.

PvP died on XBox EU over a year ago which is why I transitioned to PC

Azurephoenix999 · June 2018

IXxIronWolfxXI wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Yeah, it seems EP are now content with having taken Shor over, and DC have Sotha Sil. BG's aren't very popular on XBox EU because its no-cp and well, Xbox EU players just won't play no-CP stuff. PVP is close to dead on XBox EU right now.

PvP died on XBox EU over a year ago which is why I transitioned to PC

I'd like to transition to PC when I get a proper rig (mainly for all the add-ons that improve the UI and stuff), but I REALLY don't want to start everything all over again. If ZOS allowed us to transfer our progress over then I'd be down...but they don't and I hate that.

michmbk · June 2018

About to get even easier with staffs counting as two pieces. All of a sudden two 5 piece bonuses.

Beardimus · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

XB1 EU's only decently populated campaign (Vivec) has been absolutely dominated by AD for the past week. I'm trying to unlock Vigor and Caltrops on my Nightblade, and since he's an EP character (i.e. part of the Alliance that has had control of no more than 3 keeps the entire time this has been going on) and there's absolutely 100% no way to change a character's Alliance (which is stupid af, with this being one of the main reasons why) getting AP from any source has been a drag, and barely any of it has been even remotely fun.

I try joining up with a zerg, but most of them are sloppy and uncoordinated, and whenever I find a group that looks even remotely decent, the minute we try and take a keep, a horde of AD players come out of nowhere and shut us down with sheer numbers before we can even blink. My only options for getting AP are either staying in the current campaign where we're getting stomped (which is not fun) or moving to one of the less populated servers (where there are almost no players at all, also not fun).

To put it bluntly, when your Alliance is getting stomped in the ONLY decent campaign, PvP feels like a chore, and that sucks ass. People get bored, people leave, and then the problem gets worse because there are even less players to try and fight back.

There has to be a better way of doing this....

The only suggestion I can think of is a campaign that's 1 day only. That way Alliances that lose one day can try again the next.

Sorry mate again your root cause problem and solution are not aligned. The frustration here is you aren't in PvP to PvP. You are in it to tick boxes and that, is the root of much dissatisfaction in this game.

Your solution. Play BattleGrounds. It's 8kAP even for a loss. 15mins tops. Or just go to Sotha or Shor (maps been Red several days) and take things solo or repair Red keeps. Done. Early levels unlock in a few hours tops now.

Don't suggest play breaking stuff (alliance switching to be any easier) to work around your problem as honnestly if you played PvP more on Xbox EU you will see alliance switching as IS is a huge problem wrecking the authenticity of PvP - the biggest problem keeping PvP player engaged. AP Boosting and Emp Flipping between alliance switchers hugely devalues PvP as its cheating and encourages people to play that way to 'tick things off'

I hear your frustration but focus more on the problem you have than changes that would have bigger implications

Luckily ZOS are going a step further and looking at stopping alliance switching across the account. Either a lock or via reward motivation which we really need. Happy to explain this problem to you in game as its not dumb as you say, in a thing its currently too weak.

cHIIMEERa · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

I try joining up with a zerg, but most of them are sloppy and uncoordinated

Play solo and look for smaller groups to take on = Irrelevant how your Alliance is doing, heck you dont even have to travel as far to find enemies, so its convenient

.

Also, you improve at pvp, alot! Not having to share your AP with anyone is also a plus.

Beardimus · June 2018

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Yeah, it seems EP are now content with having taken Shor over, and DC have Sotha Sil. BG's aren't very popular on XBox EU because its no-cp and well, Xbox EU players just won't play no-CP stuff. PVP is close to dead on XBox EU right now.

Sorry Bonzo hardly any of that is accurate on the Xbox EU I play..

Bobby_V_Rockit · June 2018

Seriously, just do battlegrounds for a few hours. Thats what I did. No need to set foot in the zergfest/gankfest that is Cyrodiil

White wabbit · June 2018

I remember the good old days when Cyrodill was fun , it seemed there was more small grp PvP then not like the zergfest that it has now become, I do think ZOS need to come up with a solution and put the fun back into PvP

josiahva · June 2018

Go take random resources deep in enemy territory, maybe get a small farm going. All campaigns are overrun by AD zergs at some point...eventually the tide slackens and you are able to take it back, in the meantime, get AP by taking rss, reairing walls, etc, or go to another campaign

POps75p · June 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

XB1 EU's only decently populated campaign (Vivec) has been absolutely dominated by AD for the past week. I'm trying to unlock Vigor and Caltrops on my Nightblade, and since he's an EP character (i.e. part of the Alliance that has had control of no more than 3 keeps the entire time this has been going on) and there's absolutely 100% no way to change a character's Alliance (which is stupid af, with this being one of the main reasons why) getting AP from any source has been a drag, and barely any of it has been even remotely fun.

I try joining up with a zerg, but most of them are sloppy and uncoordinated, and whenever I find a group that looks even remotely decent, the minute we try and take a keep, a horde of AD players come out of nowhere and shut us down with sheer numbers before we can even blink. My only options for getting AP are either staying in the current campaign where we're getting stomped (which is not fun) or moving to one of the less populated servers (where there are almost no players at all, also not fun).

To put it bluntly, when your Alliance is getting stomped in the ONLY decent campaign, PvP feels like a chore, and that sucks ass. People get bored, people leave, and then the problem gets worse because there are even less players to try and fight back.

There has to be a better way of doing this....

The only suggestion I can think of is a campaign that's 1 day only. That way Alliances that lose one day can try again the next.

pvp is a joke, just a bunch of little boys playing shooter that cant hang with the big dogs in battlefield, gears of war or call of duty. lol, and they are the ones that always want the big NERF

LadyLavina · June 2018

notyuu · June 2018

PvP is like this
Want AP: go do battlegorunds
Want to unlock skills: go do battlegrounds
want anything else pvp related: go hit up cryo