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Champ points are stupid. The old way was better.
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    I'm going to go with no. Simply because having to level up each character all the way, instead of an account wide system, would be miserable.

    Is miserable. It's, like, 85% of the reason I don't play STO at all anymore.
  • White wabbit
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    Hmm that's a resounding No from me
  • Turelus
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    With starkerealm on this one, a separate level by character system after 50 was painful.

    I don't like the CP system and would love to see it go away, but the one good thing about it is that it's account wide unlock how VR were.
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    Turelus wrote: »
    With starkerealm on this one, a separate level by character system after 50 was painful.

    I don't like the CP system and would love to see it go away, but the one good thing about it is that it's account wide unlock how VR were.

    Oh, I could live with serious changes to how the CP system works. I think there's some serious room for improvement. But, the basic idea of post-50 leveling helping your entire account? Yeah, that's actually pretty solid.
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    Had 1 champion for a year because wasn't going share champion points.
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    Oh, I could live with serious changes to how the CP system works. I think there's some serious room for improvement. But, the basic idea of post-50 leveling helping your entire account? Yeah, that's actually pretty solid.
    Agreed.

    And also the "no XP point left behind" - how many times have I felt unduely vexed in other games when they raised the level cap after I had been playing months on cap, grumbling about all those XPs I could have earned during that time if the game had let me... no such worries in ESO, so I never have to think about this!
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    The whole point of an mmo is to work for your achievements. All my characters are max and I have bought all my slots and I have over 1200 champ points. I'm not bragging I'm calling the whole thing bull ***!! Its time to go back to the old system. Ok you don't like vet levels then go beyond 50! *** it get rid of champ points! you do the time you get the reward there is no reward anymore just fast champ points.
    Edited by mongoLC on June 1, 2018 8:28AM
  • Uviryth
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    The whole point of an mmo is to work for your achievements. All my characters are max and I have bought all my slots and I have over 1200 champ points. I'm not bragging I'm calling the whole thing bull ***!! Its time to go back to the old system. Ok you don't like vet levels then go beyond 50! *** it get rid of champ points! you do the time you get the reward there is no reward anymore just fast champ points.

    So you want everyone else to suffer because you have an addiction-problem?
    Go max out another mmo then.
    Edited by Uviryth on June 1, 2018 8:34AM
  • MattT1988
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    Only levelling a character to level 50 is not enough. The old Vet ranks system was too much. The system they have now is probably the fairest medium we could probably have. Leave it as is.
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    The whole point of an mmo is to work for your achievements. All my characters are max and I have bought all my slots and I have over 1200 champ points. I'm not bragging I'm calling the whole thing bull ***!! Its time to go back to the old system. Ok you don't like vet levels then go beyond 50! *** it get rid of champ points! you do the time you get the reward there is no reward anymore just fast champ points.
    Do you have all the achievements on all your characters, if not there is something to work towards.
    For some the point is the fun and enjoyment of the content as well as seeing levels and power increase.

    If you're only interested in seeing numbers getting bigger and levels going up then some kind of clicker game would give you that. I don't think we need to add 100 new character levels just to make it feel like we're achieving more when the game has so much content to play and complete, with some very hard to earn achievements.
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  • mongoLC
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    Uviryth wrote: »
    mongoLC wrote: »
    The whole point of an mmo is to work for your achievements. All my characters are max and I have bought all my slots and I have over 1200 champ points. I'm not bragging I'm calling the whole thing bull ***!! Its time to go back to the old system. Ok you don't like vet levels then go beyond 50! *** it get rid of champ points! you do the time you get the reward there is no reward anymore just fast champ points.

    So you want everyone else to suffer because you have an addiction-problem?
    Go max out another mmo then.

    what you said there is right. If you're not an addict you can be the cannon fodder in pvp or the people stuck in group finder and that's ok but people need more!
  • Kel
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    Champ points are stupid. The old way was better.

    Wow..between this and your transmute crystal thread, I'd say you're one angry dude. Or, you're just making fake outrage troll posts.

    Edit: Actually, looking at your post history, you really don't have alot of good things to say about ESO. Do you even like this game? And if not, why are you playing?
    Edited by Kel on June 1, 2018 8:41AM
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    Champ points are stupid. The old way was better.

    When we had to walk up hill both ways to sacrifice our first born alt to summon the great dark lord RNGesus. Then we would get ganked by some ****stick because this was a PvP server.

    Now we can simply pray to our lord and savior, Razor Lego, and your movement will be impaired by 70% while we annoy the snot out of you. It is a good bleed.
    Edited by starkerealm on June 1, 2018 8:43AM
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    The whole point of an mmo is to work for your achievements. All my characters are max and I have bought all my slots and I have over 1200 champ points. I'm not bragging I'm calling the whole thing bull ***!! Its time to go back to the old system. Ok you don't like vet levels then go beyond 50! *** it get rid of champ points! you do the time you get the reward there is no reward anymore just fast champ points.

    No it isn't. It's just one aspect of the gameplay.

    It may be how you decide to play them - but it isn't how I play them. Been playing MMO's since before 'achievements' were invented.
    Minalan owes me a beer.

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  • Mush55
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    Champ points are stupid. The old way was better.

    Some one doesn't remember vet ranks..............
  • Matei
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    achievements are just one part of playing an MMO. It aint my cup of tea.
    And i find champion points alot better than veteran ranks.
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    I'm going to go with no. Simply because having to level up each character all the way, instead of an account wide system, would be miserable.

    Is miserable. It's, like, 85% of the reason I don't play STO at all anymore.

    Yep STOs grind is unreal. Then again its owned by a company that has a large asian market share so its very much built with a asian model in mind that includes gameplay grinds.
    Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.
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    I quit eso because if the VR system and came back when they made cp account wide so no ty
  • TheInfernalRage
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    You can always not use CP if you don't like it or if the game is very easy for you because of it. No one's preventing you from doing that option.

    I observed since the beginning that people seem to hate the CP System, and I do not understand why. In terms of Cyrodiil, isn't there a server where the CP System does not work? I wonder, because of the stupidity of the CP System, if that server is always full? Every time I check it, it appears to be empty.

    Granting that there's no CP System and we'll revert back to a basic kind of leveling, what exactly will that do and how will that be an advantage over the CP System? In short, how is the CP System "stupid"?

    Instead of doing away from it, why not offer definite suggestions on how to improve the CP System. I'm a bit new here so I don't know if there's a kind of communication between the players and the devs regarding improvements in the CP System.
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    A resounding NO individual character grinds after 50 would be hellish.

    And as others have said achievements are only one aspect of MMOs, and definitely a very minor motivator for me.
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    Dragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?
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    Move along,
    there a loads of Korean grinds out there
    & many many more if you use a VPN and are willing to learn Korean...

    Edited by Gythral on June 1, 2018 11:18AM
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  • BaneOfBattler
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    Maybe you have a lot of free time or you are a troll.

    This is a huge no.

    Go grind bless or tera or black desert.
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    mongoLC wrote: »
    Champ points are stupid. The old way was better.

    Back when we had levels up to vr16, there were some people (like me) who argued against changing that system. But those who wanted it changed to a more "horizontal" way of leveling were in the majority, so ZOS created the champion points system. Now people want to go back to a system of leveling the characters higher than 50. Well you know what? The constant whining here is a PITA. Live with the system we have and move on. Sheesh!!!!
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    Uviryth wrote: »
    mongoLC wrote: »
    The whole point of an mmo is to work for your achievements. All my characters are max and I have bought all my slots and I have over 1200 champ points. I'm not bragging I'm calling the whole thing bull ***!! Its time to go back to the old system. Ok you don't like vet levels then go beyond 50! *** it get rid of champ points! you do the time you get the reward there is no reward anymore just fast champ points.

    So you want everyone else to suffer because you have an addiction-problem?
    Go max out another mmo then.

    not everyone thinks that playing a game should be about not having to earn anything. The champion system is horrible. i would also rather having meaningful levels than a champion system that does almost nothing per level and has 3 zillion levels. there is no meaningful level progression in game.

    Ideally id like to see meaningful level progression per character and not account wide cheesy fake progression. Id be willing to trade that for making other tedious tasks in the game easier such as:

    *PVE guild levels are account wide like player guild levels
    * Skyshards are account wide.

    in trade for levels that are meaningful.I would keep the "you still gain xp past max level but at a reduced rate". I would change enlightenment to a double xp system tied to housing. Each minute a character spent in a house you owned online or offline. it would gain a double xp rate for x amount of xp up to a max of 5 million xp at double rate max.

    The xp "charge" rate would be based on the number and quality of items in the home. Something like:
    *White= 0.5 xp/min
    *Green =1 xp/min
    *Blue = 2.5 xp/min
    *Purple = 6 xp/min
    * Gold = 15 xp/min

    So if you had 100 green items in that home, your character would charge its double xp meter 100 xp every minute. It would take about 35 days to charge the xp meter to full. If you had 100 purple items, it would charge the double xp meter 600 xp a minute and take about 6 days to charge until full. So the better the quality items in larger homes( more luxurious setting) would charge faster.

    When you gain xp from any source, It is gained at a double rate and the amount gained is removed from the charge meter. So 5 mil xp cap cover 2.5 million xp at a normal rate.

    Furthermore, i would make it so you can increase both the amount to max charge and your xp rate bonus. The max charge would be tied to the homes you own. The price of the home/divided by 3 = amount added to cap. So if your first home is 300k gold then it will add 100k to cap. If you buy a second home for 3 million, then it will add an additional 1 million to the cap increasing your max cap to 6.3 mil. How fast you charge the meter depends on what home you log out in or hang out in. crown only home would have and exchange rate for this of 2000 gold per crown.

    Next is the increase in bonus rate. the base rate is 2 times xp(200%). Each home you own,except inn rooms, would increase bonus rate depending on how many items where in the home ( any quality) in relation to its non eso plus max item capacity.

    *apartments would add 1% at max base capacity.
    *Small houses would add 3% at max base capacity.
    *Medium houses would add 8% at max capacity.
    *Large homes would add 20% at max capacity.
    *Notable homes would add 45% at max capacity.

    If you have a home partially full you get a partial bonus. So If you have a medium home that is at max capacity and a large home that is at 10% capacity, you would have a 210% xp bonus rate instead of a 200% bonus rate.

    This way older players that spent more time and effort acquiring more stuff, would get bigger and faster xp bonuses.

    Thats what i would do.
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    Do you want to drive new players away?
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    NO.

    VR was the reason I quit ESO the first time. EVERY SINGLE TIME I hit max VR, I kid you not, they would increase it the following week. When it went 14 I almost physically smashed my computer. But instead, quit.

    I hate the concept of levels after 50. I hate champion points. Now that I’m on Xbox I’m still not max CP since I’ve came and gone several times. My idea of fun is not having to spend countless hours grinding (or questing) to hit max level. And if you don’t spend endless hours playing the game in every free second you have, you’re weaker than those who hate RL and avoid it entirely.

    Absolutely a big *** NO from me.
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  • wsmith97ub17_ESO
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    Emphatically,

    NO

    Do a search, you will see it shouted down every time.
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    They are going to have to change the leveling system eventually. The slow CP power creep is going to be too much. But I think the game will have no problem continuing after a few players quit.
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