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Game has become too flashy!

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    I haven't played the game since launch,

    Well, there is the kicker. If you quit and so did others that liked the way it was then, pushing the game to change the way things are done, then it might still be done that way. But the game wasn't cutting it so people left and subs didn't carry the game.

    If it makes you feel better. All my characters have armor that is dyed normally and some of them ride normal mounts and I don't run pets on any of them.
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  • DoctorESO
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    Game has become too flashy?

    Or do you mean too cashy?

    Or are they the same thing? :)
    Edited by DoctorESO on May 31, 2018 3:18AM
  • Lysette
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    DoctorESO wrote: »
    Game has become too flashy?

    Or do you mean too cashy?

    Or are they the same thing? :)

    Get an insightful for this.
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    The amount of draconian, unpleasant measures they'd have to impose on this game to keep it from being immersion-breaking is astronomical. I'm not nearly as bothered by weird skins or flashy mounts as I am by people dueling on top of me in a crafting area or inside the bank, or by people throwing an exploding bird. Talk about making the world look ridiculous.
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    Minyassa wrote: »
    The amount of draconian, unpleasant measures they'd have to impose on this game to keep it from being immersion-breaking is astronomical. I'm not nearly as bothered by weird skins or flashy mounts as I am by people dueling on top of me in a crafting area or inside the bank, or by people throwing an exploding bird. Talk about making the world look ridiculous.

    With the warden cliff racers I see it like this - to me this is not an actual cliff racer, but a mixed conjuration/illusion spell, which is an actual magic attack of a summoned minion disguised as a cliff racer due to the illusion part of the spell. You see a cliff racer attacking at an unnormal dive speed, while in fact it is a minion from another plain, temporarily summoned to excute this attack. It's unnatural high dive speed makes me think like this - a normal cliff racer couldn't attack dive that fast.
    Edited by Lysette on May 31, 2018 4:04AM
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    vamp_emily wrote: »
    Fashion is OP.

    I spent 5 hours Saturday trying to get my Earthgore Helm. Everyone was looking pretty but nobody knew how to fight.

    #NerfFashionPlayers

    This ^^
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    I like looking fancy
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    I still make fun of ever pve player that thinks they look cool in those bright skins with crazy color blue lighting bolt armor. Why pve players why it looks horrible???
  • DieAlteHexe
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    I still make fun of ever pve player that thinks they look cool in those bright skins with crazy color blue lighting bolt armor. Why pve players why it looks horrible???

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  • HeathenDeacon
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    this game is one of the most toned down , non flashy mmos out there IMO.

    go take a look at TERA's cash shop if you want some perspective.
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    lol
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  • Aesthier
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    Eyro wrote: »
    Let us go back to The good ole days when all we would complain about is how exposed breast were.

    ROFL

    That would mean exposing more breasts!

    I salute you!
  • veloSylraptor
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.

    Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this :smile: .

    Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.

    Now, to preempt any arguments about, "no one cares how you look."

    It isn't about what anyone else think or don't think. I'm sure most people don't care if other people approve, disapprove, or don't care about their appearances, only that they are seen. This would be the main issue here, the ability to make people invisible. If performance is the issue, this can be solved by having lower quality options.

    Further, this assumes that the "non flashy" things should be default. Why? Have we established why it should be? There are easily arguments to be made that given our status as special adventurer/hero type people, being flashy and bright should be the default. I would make the argument from the other side of this issue that the toggle should instead be to make everyone wear flashy armors/colors/effects. Or at least have a toggle for both.

    I suppose the main question would be: how many of the recurring spenders are comfortable with being silenced in their expression and be made invisible? How much would this effect the profitability of the game?
    Edited by veloSylraptor on May 31, 2018 6:59AM
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    I dont care what people wear or ride. Do I hate pets? Yes! But I dont care if people use them. Who am I to criticize them?
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  • Beardimus
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    Agree with OP. The flashy stuff has gone too far. Ridiculous mounts

    The skill visuals also. Trials are ridiculous now its just a psycodelic light show
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    I like my pink unicorn knight :(
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    Milvan wrote: »
    I also don't usually accept wardens and sorcs with pet builds because they are way too annoying


    LOL
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    It's a typical mmo. A lot of people pride themselves on how their character looks and a way for Zos to generate income. Honestly, I would hate looking at boring washed out grey and brown tones where everyone looks the same. This stuff doesn't bother me in the least in Eso. Now if I went and played skyrim or oblivion and it looked like Wow, then I would have a problem. I don't mod those games because I prefer the originals. Just pray they don't add flying, psychedelic dragons to the game, but a ground running griffon would be nice. :)
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.

    Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this :smile: .

    Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.

    @veloSylraptor

    Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?

    And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?

    If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.

    With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.

    I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun. :/

    Edited by Ectheliontnacil on May 31, 2018 8:44AM
  • bellatrixed
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    Yeah, a hill I will die on is that this game was way more immersive when the only mounts were horses.

    I do think the variety of outfit styles & dyes are only a good thing, but OMG, do I hate the weird mounts.

    I get it, I get people want ludicrous looking over the top WoW-style mounts, but I wish they'd give us more realistic ones too.

    I love the White Gold Imperial Courser, but... I was all excited for a dainty, realistic horse that comes in a real life color and then... it had golden sparkles and makes fairydust noises. I bought it anyway but god I hate those sparkles.
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    Yeah, a hill I will die on is that this game was way more immersive when the only mounts were horses.

    I do think the variety of outfit styles & dyes are only a good thing, but OMG, do I hate the weird mounts.

    I get it, I get people want ludicrous looking over the top WoW-style mounts, but I wish they'd give us more realistic ones too.

    I love the White Gold Imperial Courser, but... I was all excited for a dainty, realistic horse that comes in a real life color and then... it had golden sparkles and makes fairydust noises. I bought it anyway but god I hate those sparkles.

    Yeah I intended to buy that horse - but then I saw it ingame and didn't want it anymore - without this fancy fluff it would have been a really nice horse.
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    Just throw mudballs at them
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    ssorgatem wrote: »
    Just throw mudballs at them

    Hehe I like the way you think!

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    Lysette wrote: »
    Yeah, a hill I will die on is that this game was way more immersive when the only mounts were horses.

    I do think the variety of outfit styles & dyes are only a good thing, but OMG, do I hate the weird mounts.

    I get it, I get people want ludicrous looking over the top WoW-style mounts, but I wish they'd give us more realistic ones too.

    I love the White Gold Imperial Courser, but... I was all excited for a dainty, realistic horse that comes in a real life color and then... it had golden sparkles and makes fairydust noises. I bought it anyway but god I hate those sparkles.

    Yeah I intended to buy that horse - but then I saw it ingame and didn't want it anymore - without this fancy fluff it would have been a really nice horse.

    Exactly! And that's what irks me the most. I don't really care that there are weird mounts--I just don't buy them. But I REALLY wish they'd give the people who do want more "normal" mounts more options.

    Horses come in SO many colors in real life. They have virtually infinite options--not to mention body types. They already have 3 body models for horses (normal/slender/heavy draft) yet only a few colors. Then there are all sorts of saddle/tack/cultural wear options for horses...

    Seriously, I can think of so many opportunities to have neat realistic mounts, but I feel like they think they can't release a normal mount anymore, it has to sprout blue fairy wings when you summon it or something.
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  • veloSylraptor
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    What do you guys think of a toggle option that disables flashy things - aka replace all special mounts with horses, make pets disappear and maybe even the floating balls of certain sets. The more customizable the options, the better.

    Ye that sounds good. And people who like vanity pets and glittering costumes are completely unaffected by this :smile: .

    Except they are effected, their ability to express themselves has been greatly reduced.

    @veloSylraptor

    Where is this mad scramble for identity and self expression coming from? I suppose it's human nature, but I still find it disturbing. Are you really defined by the clothes we wear? Is flashy armour and cheapish crown store jewellery who you are?

    And that's not even the worst part! Somehow you people feel entitled to subject everyone to your appearance. You have the right to look how you like, but I don't have the right to look away?

    If someone isn't into clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood city centre, what good does it do anyone to force him to see those clowns. That person's fun and immersion will be ruined and the clown clown's outfit will not be appreciated, which is what would have made the clown happy.

    With TES games always opting for rather conservative and toned down graphics and TESO starting out the same way, I think it's a very reasonable demand that ZOS cater to an audience that would prefer less over the top character customisation as well as to an audience that loves this feature.

    I just don't get people who think they should always be allowed to have their fun, even if it comes at the expense of other people's fun. :/

    Its quite the opposite really, we choose to define and express ourselves through whatever means available to us. Its not the clothes we wear that define us, but who we are that defines the clothes we wear.

    Now, looking away is all well and good, except that is not what's being proposed by that toggle. What is being proposed is much closer to veiling people and therefore make invisible any expression that is not to an individual's liking. That makes those other characters you would see on your screen misrepresent the character they were supposed to represent. It is to virtually eliminate the existence of other personalities, people, characters that don't conform to your preconceived notions of how people should look.

    I'm only stating this just to make clear that saying the toggle doesn't effect anyone else is disingenuous, because it absolutely does by the act of veiling them.

    Now, to say its reasonable to demand ZoS cater more to the audience that prefer less over the top character customization. Well, the other games in the series are irrelevant. What would be relevant is how much of this game's population would like or dislike being veiled, how much of them would change their spending habits or just generally protest when they know they are being veiled and denied the ability to express themselves and be seen. Because knowing that you may not be seen by other people as you are also ruins immersion. To say that you should be able to make people invisible because it gives you more fun, is also itself having fun at expense of other people's fun.

    In the end, we both have the right to express ourselves (within the limits and facilities the game currently grants us). What that toggle does however, is to reduce the ability of some segments of the population to express themselves, and from that granting another segment the ability to shift the world to their liking. Which is why I stated a hypothetical argument of why not make the toggle both ways? That way both extremes in this debate get to silence and veil the other, and you can be seen by others as one of those "clowns swaggering across the Grahtwood."

    Also, why the denigration of "mad scramble for identity and self expression"? are you not doing the same with this post? Expressing your dislike to certain identities that fit your own? Asking that other people be limited to an expression and identity that you approve? After all, you are defending the more "less over the top character customization" way of expressing your identity.
    Edited by veloSylraptor on May 31, 2018 9:07AM
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    @veloSylraptor

    Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me. :D

    My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.
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    What I observed is, that most of the fluff stuff with mounts can be seen in busy towns - but those I meet outside of it in the wilderness ride pretty normal looking mounts - rarely a glowing fluff one. So seen from this observation, people want to express themselves TO BE SEEN BY OTHERS to the most part -when they are more "in private" in the wilderness, they often don't - and I guess that is, because it annoys them themselves to go out adventuring looking like a clown -well, some like that maybe, but not that many, seen from my personal observation of other players while adventuring.
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    @veloSylraptor

    Yes, I have no problem with a two way toggle. If people want to see my khajiit sporting 12 inch heels, a 5 kg pearl necklace and a golden mini skirt while using the drag queen personality, that's totally fine by me. :D

    My point all along was not to force anyone into seeing things they don't want to see.

    And that still hasn't addressed the problem of veiling people for not having an approved identity or expression.

    Edit: although, again, just to be clear, the main question here is: How much of the recurring spenders in this game will go with this? How much of ZoS's profits will these hit? These are ultimately the defining questions of these problems.
    Edited by veloSylraptor on May 31, 2018 9:22AM
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