Alliance Skills For PvE Questers Who Hate PvPing

ADarklore · May 2018

I am writing this more as an encouragement to the PvE Quester players like me who have a Stamina character, want Vigor and Caltrops, but absolutely hate PvP.

Most of these players complain that it 'takes so long' to level up the Alliance skill lines in order to get those two skills- with Vigor at level 5 and Caltrops at level 6. Well, I got both skills in 4.5 hours of PvPing in Cyrodiil late Friday morning in Vivec... so NO it does not take 'so long' to get those skills. I followed some advice and, having leveled both Magicka (Destro/Resto) and Stamina (Bow/DW/2H) skills on my Imperial Nightblade, I simply converted him back to Magicka and spent those 4.5 hours simply as a HEALER. I died numerous times, but I got used to it and didn't let it bother me, in fact it was somewhat fun. I had already crafted Impenetrable gear, so I didn't die as easily as I would have without some preparation in with gearing properly.

Overall it was not bad and I consider it time well spent to get those very beneficial skills for a Stamblade. Since then, I've been enjoying my Stamblade character much better than I ever had... I had shelved this Nightblade character a couple months ago after leveling him and becoming frustrated with survivability. Now, using Purple food, I can cloak past enemies if I don't feel like engaging every single mob in a quest, or I can fight... so the options are perfect to allow me to play whatever style I'm in the mood for.

Anyway, I just wanted to share, and hopefully encourage those Stamina PvE questers who are reluctant to spend some time in Cyrodiil to get those skills because of the fear of 'taking so long'... no, 4.5 hours was not too long IMO, and can be somewhat fun as long as you don't take dying often too seriously.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

Or do BG's at 7-12k AP a pop for < 10 minutes of your time, on average.

You'll get to have some variety in your objectives and you won't have to spend half your time on horseback.

Kikke · May 2018

Then you wont get vigor nor caltrops.

Lord_Sando · May 2018

Good work, glad you could hang in there. learning PVP for me was one on the most rewarding parts of this game. I really enjoy PVP is this game due to the build diversity over PVE. PVP has more build combinations that are viable, more so than in PVE. You're correct about the gear that's the number one problem I see most PVE players make going in to PVP. You need impenetrable traits on your armor. There is't really to many ways around this unless you just like getting man handled (some people are into that).

usmguy1234 · May 2018

ADarklore wrote: »

I am writing this more as an encouragement to the PvE Quester players like me who have a Stamina character, want Vigor and Caltrops, but absolutely hate PvP.

Most of these players complain that it 'takes so long' to level up the Alliance skill lines in order to get those two skills- with Vigor at level 5 and Caltrops at level 6. Well, I got both skills in 4.5 hours of PvPing in Cyrodiil late Friday morning in Vivec... so NO it does not take 'so long' to get those skills. I followed some advice and, having leveled both Magicka (Destro/Resto) and Stamina (Bow/DW/2H) skills on my Imperial Nightblade, I simply converted him back to Magicka and spent those 4.5 hours simply as a HEALER. I died numerous times, but I got used to it and didn't let it bother me, in fact it was somewhat fun. I had already crafted Impenetrable gear, so I didn't die as easily as I would have without some preparation in with gearing properly.

Overall it was not bad and I consider it time well spent to get those very beneficial skills for a Stamblade. Since then, I've been enjoying my Stamblade character much better than I ever had... I had shelved this Nightblade character a couple months ago after leveling him and becoming frustrated with survivability. Now, using Purple food, I can cloak past enemies if I don't feel like engaging every single mob in a quest, or I can fight... so the options are perfect to allow me to play whatever style I'm in the mood for.

Anyway, I just wanted to share, and hopefully encourage those Stamina PvE questers who are reluctant to spend some time in Cyrodiil to get those skills because of the fear of 'taking so long'... no, 4.5 hours was not too long IMO, and can be somewhat fun as long as you don't take dying often too seriously.

Yeah, because it's not like the bis gear for pvp isn't locked behind pve content. I remember the weeks it took me to grind lich... that restro staff is a pain in the arse to get. Yet they complain about a few hours of pvp.

jlmurra2 · May 2018

I originally ventured into Cyrodiil for the skills, now I regularly go back for the fun.

VaranisArano · May 2018

I've leveled both magicka and stamina characters through Cyrodiil for alliance war skills. (I'm sure Battlegrounds is effective, I just prefer Cyrodiil)

For magicka characters, I was most effective running as a healer. Equip a resto staff and throw heals on any ally you see as you zerg surf or join a PUG group.

For stamina characters, I was most effective with a bow, trying to tag every enemy player I hit with at least a light attack.

Either way, leveling alliance war skills in Cyrodiil means getting there for the keep captures and defenses. If you have a slow horse, I recommend focusing on defense. Pay attention to zone callouts and try to port to keeps before they flag. If you have a fast horse, its a lot easier to rush to fights and try to help capture keeps.

VaranisArano · May 2018

I've leveled both magicka and stamina characters through Cyrodiil for alliance war skills. (I'm sure Battlegrounds is effective, I just prefer Cyrodiil)

For magicka characters, I was most effective running as a healer. Equip a resto staff and throw heals on any ally you see as you zerg surf or join a PUG group.

For stamina characters, I was most effective with a bow, trying to tag every enemy player I hit with at least a light attack.

Either way, leveling alliance war skills in Cyrodiil means getting there for the keep captures and defenses. If you have a slow horse, I recommend focusing on defense. Pay attention to zone callouts and try to port to keeps before they flag. If you have a fast horse, its a lot easier to rush to fights and try to help capture keeps than with a slow horse.

Odnoc · May 2018

I got there with BG's, didn't even realize I was near level 6 until it popped up.

Avalon · May 2018

How long would you have to BG to get all of the PvP skill line abilities?

bri5 · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Or do BG's at 7-12k AP a pop for < 10 minutes of your time, on average.

You'll get to have some variety in your objectives and you won't have to spend half your time on horseback.

That's exactly what I did and I wish I had done it sooner!

Sergykid · May 2018

i've wanted vigor and caltrops on my pve off-chars, but it takes a bit of time in Cryodill. For the duration of a saturday evening, i couldn't do basically anything on one of my pve off-chars in pvp. I don't want to gear it up and learn it to play for pvp, since it will not be used for that, just wanted those three spells (+horn).

Typed LFG every minute but nobody invited me. I would just go to whatever keep was under attack by my faction, which would take 20-30 minutes, or maybe even end up a fail, and since i am not in a group, because nobody invites people to groups either with /s or /z chats, i would only take 6-7k AP.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Or do BG's at 7-12k AP a pop

if i lose a BG i still get AP? how much? does this AP count toward the skill line? it would definitely be faster even if i just drag my team down with my pve off-chars for a few games until i reach level 6

Doctordarkspawn · May 2018

Plenty of people have posed this as a 'solution'.

Fact is, now that I have a stam character, I'd rather make do then deal with PVP long enough to get those skills.

Screw PVP.

BozzyTheDrummer · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Or do BG's at 7-12k AP a pop for < 10 minutes of your time, on average.

You'll get to have some variety in your objectives and you won't have to spend half your time on horseback.

^This

Spent this past weekends in Battlegrounds for the first time and I had a blast, win or lose. So much fun. Saved up 250k alliance just from doing this.

Colecovision · May 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

Then you wont get vigor nor caltrops.

That's a whole new level of not reading the post.

Hurbster · May 2018

I just make do without on my stam characters. I just don't enjoy pvp.

ADarklore · May 2018

My entire point was people complain about 'don't enjoy PvP' but still want the skills yet are unwilling to invest even a small amount of time in acquiring them. I don't enjoy PvP either, BUT, I also believe if you want something bad enough you put in the time to acquire it- enjoyment of it or not. Just like the new Psijic skill line... people complain about the grind... but if you want it bad enough, you do what you have to do... just like real life.

There isn't anything to 'enjoy' or 'not enjoy' about simply respeccing your character to Magicka, equipping some Impenetrable gear, Destro and Resto staff, and sitting back and healing other players for a few hours. It's nothing different than grinding dolmens... just that you die a lot more often... big deal. You rez at the nearest keep and use Rapid Maneuver on your mount to get back to where you came from. I never paid attention to zone chat and was never in a 'group'- I simply went to the location that showed on the map as being 'under attack'. You don't NEED to be in a group to get this done in a few short hours- and in the highly populated Vivec- it doesn't take long to find an attack/defense to participate in.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I am writing this more as an encouragement to the PvE Quester players like me who have a Stamina character, want Vigor and Caltrops, but absolutely hate PvP.

Most of these players complain that it 'takes so long' to level up the Alliance skill lines in order to get those two skills- with Vigor at level 5 and Caltrops at level 6. Well, I got both skills in 4.5 hours of PvPing in Cyrodiil late Friday morning in Vivec... so NO it does not take 'so long' to get those skills. I followed some advice and, having leveled both Magicka (Destro/Resto) and Stamina (Bow/DW/2H) skills on my Imperial Nightblade, I simply converted him back to Magicka and spent those 4.5 hours simply as a HEALER. I died numerous times, but I got used to it and didn't let it bother me, in fact it was somewhat fun. I had already crafted Impenetrable gear, so I didn't die as easily as I would have without some preparation in with gearing properly.

Overall it was not bad and I consider it time well spent to get those very beneficial skills for a Stamblade. Since then, I've been enjoying my Stamblade character much better than I ever had... I had shelved this Nightblade character a couple months ago after leveling him and becoming frustrated with survivability. Now, using Purple food, I can cloak past enemies if I don't feel like engaging every single mob in a quest, or I can fight... so the options are perfect to allow me to play whatever style I'm in the mood for.

Anyway, I just wanted to share, and hopefully encourage those Stamina PvE questers who are reluctant to spend some time in Cyrodiil to get those skills because of the fear of 'taking so long'... no, 4.5 hours was not too long IMO, and can be somewhat fun as long as you don't take dying often too seriously.

Yeah, because it's not like the bis gear for pvp isn't locked behind pve content. I remember the weeks it took me to grind lich... that restro staff is a pain in the arse to get. Yet they complain about a few hours of pvp.

Maybe next time, actually read the OP instead of quoting it and whining after.

The OP is recommending it to the doubters, not complaining about it.

And news flash, everyone in the game gets to grind for gear. No one checks a box that says "PvE only, please" followed by golded out gear of their choosing. Your point is moot.

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

Can we have Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Undaunted max out token for PvP player who hates grinding PvE?

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

Sergykid wrote: »

i've wanted vigor and caltrops on my pve off-chars, but it takes a bit of time in Cryodill. For the duration of a saturday evening, i couldn't do basically anything on one of my pve off-chars in pvp. I don't want to gear it up and learn it to play for pvp, since it will not be used for that, just wanted those three spells (+horn).

Typed LFG every minute but nobody invited me. I would just go to whatever keep was under attack by my faction, which would take 20-30 minutes, or maybe even end up a fail, and since i am not in a group, because nobody invites people to groups either with /s or /z chats, i would only take 6-7k AP.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Or do BG's at 7-12k AP a pop

if i lose a BG i still get AP? how much? does this AP count toward the skill line? it would definitely be faster even if i just drag my team down with my pve off-chars for a few games until i reach level 6

@Sergykid you'll get minimum 7k AP per match, and that's if you lose, and lose horribly.

You'll get more AP for 2nd place, even more for 1st, plus you'll get AP for kills and such as well. And yes, it counts towards the Alliance war skills (and rank) just as if you'd seiged a keep or captured a lumbermill.

VaranisArano wrote: »

I've leveled both magicka and stamina characters through Cyrodiil for alliance war skills. (I'm sure Battlegrounds is effective, I just prefer Cyrodiil)

For magicka characters, I was most effective running as a healer. Equip a resto staff and throw heals on any ally you see as you zerg surf or join a PUG group.

For stamina characters, I was most effective with a bow, trying to tag every enemy player I hit with at least a light attack.

Either way, leveling alliance war skills in Cyrodiil means getting there for the keep captures and defenses. If you have a slow horse, I recommend focusing on defense. Pay attention to zone callouts and try to port to keeps before they flag. If you have a fast horse, its a lot easier to rush to fights and try to help capture keeps.

@VaranisArano Cyrodiil is awesome in its own right, no doubt.

I tell the people that insist on despising PvP never to go there, because if they do, it will grow on them.

Cyro can be a lot of fun and challenge if you can get to where the fighting is. The benefit behind BG's is that there is always a fight close by, it's a short ride (if you don't have Speed + Stam on the horse yet), and it's quick and to the point.

One of the other good things about BG's is that it is its own little world in many ways, and with the various modes (with the exception of Deathmatch), almost anyone can find a way to help their groupmates. This can lead to some learning and some inspiration to gear up and go try out Cyrodiil proper.

Anyone insistent on avoiding the "other" content is missing out on some great parts of the game. That goes for both sides.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

**Whether you opt for BG's or Cyrodiil, do yourself a favor and earn at least 20k AP on one character per sitting.

That way you'll get a nice Rewards for the Worthy email with some gold, some gear, and a lovely Telvar Geode worth 4-25. (Once per account, per day, but has to be earned on one character)

Raammzzaa · May 2018

I went into to cyrodiil for the skills as well, and I never left! I recommend going into Vivec, or another highly populated campaign and posting “LFG” in zone chat. Most times a group will pick you up in seconds, and in a good group the AP will flow pretty fast.