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Gold-Crown conversion rates [PC EU] ?
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It’s not explicitly bannable or even flagged as bannable. ZOS really needs to make a statement on the issue.3 -
Deep_01✭✭✭✭Just occured to me that ZoS can be compared to a trade guild in game.
Making deals in guild chat and trading that out of guild store is not welcome.
If you do close a deal via guild chat, you are expected to sell that via guild store.
Maybe ZOS is fine since now the money goes to the company now instead of a player (the gold seller)
Edit: still, does 100 gold per crown sound reasonable?
Edited by Deep_01 on May 28, 2018 10:37AM@Deepan on PC-EU0 -
JasonSilverSpring✭✭✭✭✭I would not do it mainly because it would be very easy to be scammed. There is no way to tie the gifting of a crown store item with the sending of gold. It is not like the implemented a COD option and it is called "gifting". If you got scammed I am not sure ZOS would do much to help you.0 -
Deep_01✭✭✭✭@JasonSilverSpring Would trade with trusted friends. Trading (gifting*) with randoms would be awesome, but risky.
Just need to know the reasonable conversion rate and if I/we can get a permanent ban for the trade.Edited by Deep_01 on May 28, 2018 10:42AM@Deepan on PC-EU0 -
Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭I don't think you can get banned. But people will be scammed, they'll complain to Zeni and Zeni won't care.Dragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?2 -
Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭Just occured to me that ZoS can be compared to a trade guild in game.
Making deals in guild chat and trading that out of guild store is not welcome.
If you do close a deal via guild chat, you are expected to sell that via guild store.
Maybe ZOS is fine since now the money goes to the company now instead of a player (the gold seller)
Edit: still, does 100 gold per crown sound reasonable?
Now wait a minute. Guild stores don't own the trade business. Sorry to tell you that.
Next, if ZOS wanted people to trade crowns for gold, they would do a system like guild wars 2 where they can control it.
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Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭@Pixel_Zealot how much gold is one crown worth?
@Deep_01 That's a tough question... But I think there's a simple way to work it out. Look at Housing. Go into a house, press F5 for purchase options and look at the difference in price between crowns and gold, right?
So if a specific house is 100 000 Gold, but 14 000 Crowns. Then it's about 7 gold = 1 crown.Dragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think their silence on the topic is easily understood. The people running the game are against it as they woul speak up otherwise. They see how this is pushing the game closer to a P2W label. However the monetization management gets the last say in these matters (or so I think) since they are the mouth that feeds the rest of the company and they smell the extra revenue from gifting.
ZOS essentially became goldsellers and their "bots" are all the players that grind gold for crowns. I am just happy that they don't sell gold directly as that would just mess with the value of our ingame currency.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
Wolfkeks✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, terms of service kinda says that you can't give someone gold and get real money in exchange. So I'm a bit unsure if you can do this without getting a ban (in worst case), since it kinda goes down that road. If you wanna be safe, don't do it.
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eso_nya✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thats hard to say.
If u look at Riding Lessons 100 crowns r worth 250 gold. (1 crown = 2,5 gold)
If u look at Buy-An-Armchair Motif, 5000 crowns r worth 1.750.000 gold (1crown = 350 gold)
But than, crown pricing itself doesnt look very reasonable in the first place.
Different approach would be money u earn thru rl-work/hour and how much crowns u can buy for that vs ingame gold u can create/hour. But those values vary heavily between different ppl.
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jaschacasadiob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »@Pixel_Zealot how much gold is one crown worth?
@Deep_01 That's a tough question... But I think there's a simple way to work it out. Look at Housing. Go into a house, press F5 for purchase options and look at the difference in price between crowns and gold, right?
So if a specific house is 100 000 Gold, but 14 000 Crowns. Then it's about 7 gold = 1 crown.
That's a very questionable way to make a ratio, since there is only one supplier.
I would like to highlight two different cases:- The Crown price to get turned into a Vampire or Wolf. And the price it sells for in /zone.
- The Crown price for a book of motifs. And the price in /zone.
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Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭jaschacasadiob16_ESO wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »@Pixel_Zealot how much gold is one crown worth?
@Deep_01 That's a tough question... But I think there's a simple way to work it out. Look at Housing. Go into a house, press F5 for purchase options and look at the difference in price between crowns and gold, right?
So if a specific house is 100 000 Gold, but 14 000 Crowns. Then it's about 7 gold = 1 crown.
That's a very questionable way to make a ratio, since there is only one supplier.
I would like to highlight two different cases:- The Crown price to get turned into a Vampire or Wolf. And the price it sells for in /zone.
- The Crown price for a book of motifs. And the price in /zone.
I'm not saying it should be the only factor, I'm just saying it should be worked out like that.Dragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, terms of service kinda says that you can't give someone gold and get real money in exchange. So I'm a bit unsure if you can do this without getting a ban (in worst case), since it kinda goes down that road. If you wanna be safe, don't do it.Virtual Currency is not transferable to, or redeemable for, any sum of real currency or monetary value from ZeniMax or any other person at any time. ZeniMax prohibits, and does not recognize any purported, transfers, sales, gifts, or trades of Virtual Currency. Virtual Currency will only be used by You to obtain virtual goods within a Game (e.g., durable goods that become part of Your inventory in the Game and consumable or single use items that are used and expire after use within the Game) or other Downloadable Content, through one or more Services, as determined by ZeniMax in its sole discretion. You agree not to sell or transfer, or assist others in selling or transferring Virtual Currencies or any amounts thereof. Evidence of any attempt to use, sell or transfer Virtual Currency in any manner that violates these Terms of Service may result in revocation, termination, or cancellation of the Virtual Currency and/or Your use of the Services without refund and/or immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
@Wolfkeks That's the thing. ZOS is getting the money now. As I understand it, players are exchanging virtual goods for other virtual goods and ZOS profits.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
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This no rules against trading outside of store in any of my guilds, WTS / WTB spamming however is not legal simply as it will generate spam, asking for price or request crafting is ok.Sevalaricgirl wrote: »Just occured to me that ZoS can be compared to a trade guild in game.
Making deals in guild chat and trading that out of guild store is not welcome.
If you do close a deal via guild chat, you are expected to sell that via guild store.
Maybe ZOS is fine since now the money goes to the company now instead of a player (the gold seller)
Edit: still, does 100 gold per crown sound reasonable?
Now wait a minute. Guild stores don't own the trade business. Sorry to tell you that.
Next, if ZOS wanted people to trade crowns for gold, they would do a system like guild wars 2 where they can control it.
And ZOS probably has no issue with gold traded for gifted items as it increase crown store sales.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
Deep_01✭✭✭✭
This no rules against trading outside of store in any of my guilds, WTS / WTB spamming however is not legal simply as it will generate spam, asking for price or request crafting is ok.Sevalaricgirl wrote: »Just occured to me that ZoS can be compared to a trade guild in game.
Making deals in guild chat and trading that out of guild store is not welcome.
If you do close a deal via guild chat, you are expected to sell that via guild store.
Maybe ZOS is fine since now the money goes to the company now instead of a player (the gold seller)
Edit: still, does 100 gold per crown sound reasonable?
Now wait a minute. Guild stores don't own the trade business. Sorry to tell you that.
Next, if ZOS wanted people to trade crowns for gold, they would do a system like guild wars 2 where they can control it.
And ZOS probably has no issue with gold traded for gifted items as it increase crown store sales.
Thanks for the info
What do you think is a appropriate price in gold for crowns, personally?@Deepan on PC-EU0 -
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Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't think I'd risk until we get an official policy from ZOS on it.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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