DPS Rankings - Summerset

jkloza · May 2018

Hey all:

How would you rank classes DPS wise in the summerset patch?

What class is top for magicka/stamina, and which are underperforming?

Thanks!

Narvuntien · May 2018

Nightblades of both the Mag and Stam varieties are by far the strongest.

MagDK and Stam and Mag Sorcs are doing okay.

Mag and Stam Templars and Stam wardens and DKs have issues.

Mag Wardens are useless.

jkloza · May 2018

Wardens really that bad? They're the class that I'm most interested in, but I like to fill that DPS slot. I also have a max lvl sorc / NB, but i'd really need to flesh out both characters a ton with skillpoints / skyshards.

Thanks!

Narvuntien · May 2018

Wardens are pretty cool in PVP and they are good as tanks and healers just not as a dps.

WatchYourSixx · May 2018

Last I heard Stam DK was top dps class... They haven't gotten any nerfs. Templars are on par with mag dk from what I've seen, and Stam Warden. Mag Warden never been good

Narvuntien · May 2018

They lowered the damage of heavy attacks which weakend Stamdk... by my god the stamdk players were whining really hard on the PTS although PVP and PVE gets tangled in those threads.

MagDks are abusing Zaan ... Magplars can't so they do less damage. Although again it might be PVP whining confusing me.

Joxer61 · May 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

Mag Wardens are useless.

Based on what info?

thestud2012 · May 2018

From my own characters:

StamSorc - huge boost from Imbue Weapon, easiest rotation, stam pool and LA means more so Bound Arms helps a ton.
StamNB - still trying to adjust rotation
MagSorc - boost from Elemental Weapon, but weaving with lightning staff is awkward. Shields boost seems like overkill, but I'll take it.
MagDK - huge boost. Might even jump MagSorc on my list. Still working on survivability.
MagDen - gates damage is very nice, but would like to see the damage applied regardless of CC immunity like Daedric Mines. Hate the Shalk change. I will stubbornly make Frost Mage work lol.

I'm a medium skilled player. Can do content up to trials and decent at PVP. Can solo resources and reliably win 1v1 and 1v2 situations.

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2018

Stamplar is doing nearly on par with stamblade. On the PTS I was getting 48.5+k solo no fracture no combat prayer.

Mazbt · May 2018

You know how extremely subjective this thread is gonna be?

jkloza · May 2018

I’ve been researching PTS parses prior to launch. It seems universally accepted that magblades are top DPS this patch and that wardens are underperforming. I think there is room for discussion about where classes fall.

Joxer61 · May 2018

jkloza wrote: »

I’ve been researching PTS parses prior to launch. It seems universally accepted that magblades are top DPS this patch and that wardens are underperforming. I think there is room for discussion about where classes fall.

Again, Warden info based on what?

jkloza · May 2018

I’m basing it off of general community consensus. I play a magicka warden and non-cheese parses with no perfect siroria/necro/valkyn and trash pots, I can hit 32-34K. If I spent more time on the 3 mil dummy practicing, I could up that with perfect weaving, trash pots, and the lover mundus.

Comparitively, I’ve seen cheese parses of magblade, and stamblade hitting 45-50k.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHcCG6sriU

Joxer61 · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHcCG6sriU

There it is!!!

Morgul667 · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHcCG6sriU

Wow

Nice

Narvuntien · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

Cheese.... you are killing yourself for magicka.. not at all practical.
Zaan means you can't actually use range advantage.
Also the bear isn't the smartest cannot be reliable as you would like it to be.

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

Cheese.... you are killing yourself for magicka.. not at all practical.
Zaan means you can't actually use range advantage.
Also the bear isn't the smartest cannot be reliable as you would like it to be.

Lmao...out of all the trials in this game zaan is only bad on like 3 bosses..

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

jkloza wrote: »

I’m basing it off of general community consensus. I play a magicka warden and non-cheese parses with no perfect siroria/necro/valkyn and trash pots, I can hit 32-34K. If I spent more time on the 3 mil dummy practicing, I could up that with perfect weaving, trash pots, and the lover mundus.

Comparitively, I’ve seen cheese parses of magblade, and stamblade hitting 45-50k.

Cheese parses after summerset dlc on nightblade of only 45-50k..... gotta be way higher than that...

Console and dragons bones

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGm76DWBjrs

Joxer61 · May 2018

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

jkloza wrote: »

I’m basing it off of general community consensus. I play a magicka warden and non-cheese parses with no perfect siroria/necro/valkyn and trash pots, I can hit 32-34K. If I spent more time on the 3 mil dummy practicing, I could up that with perfect weaving, trash pots, and the lover mundus.

Comparitively, I’ve seen cheese parses of magblade, and stamblade hitting 45-50k.

Cheese parses after summerset dlc on nightblade of only 45-50k..... gotta be way higher than that...

Console and dragons bones

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGm76DWBjrs

Do a Magblade one? pretty please.....

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

Cheese.... you are killing yourself for magicka.. not at all practical.
Zaan means you can't actually use range advantage.
Also the bear isn't the smartest cannot be reliable as you would like it to be.

@Narvuntien You do understand Zaan has high burst, but the overall DPS is about 3k, comparable to Skoria, Ilambris, and, well, about every other monster set out there. Feel free to use another set - the #'s won't change much.

Balance used to be the only option many, many patches ago. A single tick of healing, which will always be available in 12 man, or any decent 4 man, will counter this. (Not to mention there will be orbs/shards, so it will likely be hit less often, if at all.) (You also get a heal everytime your netch despawns via the passive)

You could also swap a jewelry enchant or two and not lose massive damage. Plenty of ways to make this work.

The bear is fine if you know how to control it, same as any other pet. There will be occasion where the boss shifts and a rear-up attack misses, but I suspect those are few and far between.

Granted, @stileanima is the only one I've really seen be able to rock warden to this level, but she's done so in lots of content and probably why she got the Class rep without much competition.

Full disclosure: I've got no dog in this fight, and came across her builds before the rep thing was ever a thing.

Point being, she clearly knows what she's doing, no cheese required.

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

@Merlin13KAGL we’ll have to wait and see. Unfortunately I’m on console, so won’t be able to keep testing until next week. But I will keep you updated!

Merlin13KAGL · May 2018

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

@Merlin13KAGL we’ll have to wait and see. Unfortunately I’m on console, so won’t be able to keep testing until next week. But I will keep you updated!

Sorry. Didn't even think about that, though the videos clearly show it. (Long day, already)

Elsterchen · May 2018

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Stamplar is doing nearly on par with stamblade. On the PTS I was getting 48.5+k solo no fracture no combat prayer.

yeap... and cheesy, right?

Try your build in PVP and we will speak again.

edit: If PVP isn#t your thing try some scenario where you actually need defence because you have an enemy or for advanced players like yourself try a moving target... i.e. pledge bosses or MA or alike...

ecru · May 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

"MagWarden Sucks"

You're doing it wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHcCG6sriU

this is on pts though

Sparr0w · May 2018

jkloza wrote: »

Hey all:

How would you rank classes DPS wise in the summerset patch?

What class is top for magicka/stamina, and which are underperforming?

Thanks!

@jkloza Specify whether you mean solo/group pve/pvp if you want accurate responses

PvE wise Nightblade are top dogs, mag is preferable for the new trial, but stam hits harder.

MagDK & Magplar are really close to these but has to play melee range which is a bit of a disadvantage (DK even more so)

Stam/mag sorc are middle ground & as said Warden are at the bottom.

If you're looking for numbers tho, I'd say top to bottom is <10k difference, but that's mainly due to the fracture built into StamNB's kit & the NB execute hitting like a truck.

Joker99 · May 2018

Elsterchen wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Stamplar is doing nearly on par with stamblade. On the PTS I was getting 48.5+k solo no fracture no combat prayer.

yeap... and cheesy, right?

Try your build in PVP and we will speak again.

edit: If PVP isn#t your thing try some scenario where you actually need defence because you have an enemy or for advanced players like yourself try a moving target... i.e. pledge bosses or MA or alike...

@Elsterchen
First and foremost PvE and PvP are two separate things, you can't say to someone to try their build in PvP, it's stupid.
Secondly, this is most likely a trials build, most bosses in trials are stack and burn, dummies are there to compare builds and classes and to practice rotation. Unless the dummy is cheesed, a class will always deal more dps in a trial than on dummy even in mechanics heavy fights, see Pinnacle Factotum, Storm Atronach, Hunter Killers parses(except Assembly General, vAS+2, and vCR due to the nature of the encounters)
Honestly what baffles me is the amount of people that use mechanics as an excuse for lower dps, a good DD will deal dps even when mechanics happen.
And finally, hitting 48.5k on a Stamplar this patch with no cheese is not at all far fetched which is why we shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Cybercore_Death · May 2018

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/345638/elemental-guardian-magicka-warden-vma-dd-build-summerset/p1

He’s a spot on MagDen build if you’re interested. Contrary to the hate MagDens can run with the best of them. Tbf any class can. It’s down to how much time you put into learning and perfecting an efficient rotation more than anything. Gear is one thing but the best gear in the game doesn’t give you great damage. That comes down to you. If you’re interested in MagDen I’d say go for it. I’ve been looking to create one for a while now and I think this will be the build I go for

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2018

Elsterchen wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Stamplar is doing nearly on par with stamblade. On the PTS I was getting 48.5+k solo no fracture no combat prayer.

yeap... and cheesy, right?

Try your build in PVP and we will speak again.

edit: If PVP isn#t your thing try some scenario where you actually need defence because you have an enemy or for advanced players like yourself try a moving target... i.e. pledge bosses or MA or alike...

? I do all trial hardmodes on mine. I dont pvp...my response was strictly pve...

hedna123b14_ESO · May 2018

Joker99 wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Stamplar is doing nearly on par with stamblade. On the PTS I was getting 48.5+k solo no fracture no combat prayer.

yeap... and cheesy, right?

Try your build in PVP and we will speak again.

edit: If PVP isn#t your thing try some scenario where you actually need defence because you have an enemy or for advanced players like yourself try a moving target... i.e. pledge bosses or MA or alike...

@Elsterchen
First and foremost PvE and PvP are two separate things, you can't say to someone to try their build in PvP, it's stupid.
Secondly, this is most likely a trials build, most bosses in trials are stack and burn, dummies are there to compare builds and classes and to practice rotation. Unless the dummy is cheesed, a class will always deal more dps in a trial than on dummy even in mechanics heavy fights, see Pinnacle Factotum, Storm Atronach, Hunter Killers parses(except Assembly General, vAS+2, and vCR due to the nature of the encounters)
Honestly what baffles me is the amount of people that use mechanics as an excuse for lower dps, a good DD will deal dps even when mechanics happen.
And finally, hitting 48.5k on a Stamplar this patch with no cheese is not at all far fetched which is why we shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

Elsterchen wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Stamplar is doing nearly on par with stamblade. On the PTS I was getting 48.5+k solo no fracture no combat prayer.

yeap... and cheesy, right?

Try your build in PVP and we will speak again.

edit: If PVP isn#t your thing try some scenario where you actually need defence because you have an enemy or for advanced players like yourself try a moving target... i.e. pledge bosses or MA or alike...

Did this last sunday:

https://youtu.be/SfsOV4M7YsA

And this was the week before patch dropped:

https://youtu.be/A2OaFlDs8g8

please do your homework before you make an assumption

Nicko_Lps · May 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

Nightblades of both the Mag and Stam varieties are by far the strongest.

MagDK and Stam and Mag Sorcs are doing okay.

Mag and Stam Templars and Stam wardens and DKs have issues.

Mag Wardens are useless.

LOL