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Silver_Strider wrote: »

"Omg, 6k damage over 6 seconds."
I've been hit with 12k Incaps before and that is instant damage, not this cheap tick that barely tickle.

"Oh but it can stack"
So can getting hit by 4 Dawnbreakers, you're dead either way.

"But it's completely uncounterable"
Yes it is, KILL THE PERSON USING IT!!!

was about to comment but you summed it up.

Another QQ thread made by a 267CP Sorcerer running around in a CP Campaign. The guys admitting that its OP are also inexperienced sorcerers since else its hard to understand why they claim this set to be op.

There isn't much point in debating this on either side as ZOS never changes their oblivion damage sets.

I find your post amusing however because you're not making any effort, just asserting the people who think the set is OP are inexperienced. Which is hilariously ironic given how our previous interactions in this game typically end.

The outright damage of 1 sload proc is not the problem, it's the mechanic behind the damage. Yes dawnbreakers can stack, and yes incap can hit hard and both can be mitigated by typical means.

Sload is a proc set that deals oblivion damage, you cannot mitigate the damage. The fact that you think stacking dawnbreakers is remotely comparable to stacking sloads is hilarious.

You also need to actually build ult then land the skill, sload will just proc every 6 seconds or so on a good build.

The set is broken and at the very least lazy and bad set design, which should not be encouraged.

Let me try my hand at your style argument however. You must be inexperienced because it's hard to understand why you'd claim this set isn't OP.

Sload is OP because it can stack ? I think everyone can agree about it.

Is a sload alone is OP by dealing 853 damage per second ? No.

Ask for the "Leeching shadows" sload effect to become a major debuff. It will solve the problem, and even more, punishing sload zerger grouped togever.

PotL can stack, curse can stack, Zaan can stack. There are a lot of more powerful sets/abilities that can stack.

PotL and Curse shouldn't stack, and Zaan shouldn't even exist - Sload is consistent with these mechanics, yes, but that doesn't mean it's balanced that way.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

master dw hurts much muuuuch harder than sloads to be honest.(but of course shield/cloak users don't give a damn about regular dots while we poor stamina peasants have to heal thru every bit of it, or die trying.) This set is hated because it counters meta at the moment, which is shieldstacking or cloak spamming. I'd say this set should stay as it is untill the game is balanced properly, so we don't have to fight builds that spend %70 of their time in cloak or stack 20k shields for eternity.

If you can do one of the two things I mentioned, that means the counterplay isn't there, otherwise your build would already have the tools neccessary to deal with the situations when your cloak/shields aren't there.

Hate to say it but sloads is a neccessary evil, and I'm very interested to finally be able to have some more room for creativity in my builds thanks to that.

Shield based builds care very much about DoTs, they are a natural counter to shields. Burst damage can be mitigated well without spending too much resources, whereas constant pressure costs a lot of resources and especially time that could otherwise be used to pressure the enemy.
If I can outheal incoming oblivion damage with just Surge and the occasional Healing Ward, it's not a problem - it can execute me through shields if not careful, but it also doesn't add to the pressure on the shields themselves. Once that rather low threshold is passed, my life is set on a timer and all I can do is either burst the enemy down asap or gtfo. Remember, this can be combined with infused oblivion glyphs on any build. I'm not particularly worried about it yet since going up against shieldbreaker is much worse, but it might get bad quickly if many players start using it.

To be honest I will be using it on my stamDk, due to the fact that I'm now making a build based on hunting down key targets in battlegrounds or no-cp PvP. As for how problematic or strong this set is, compared to a stamsorc/stamblade with master dw and defiles, it is not even a thread. The set nice, only because it has decent 2-3-4 piece bonuses and also it reveals cloaked enemies/ignores block-shields. All these 3 things are hard counters to a stamDk and this set might help a lot with that.


And if you're thinking that sloads is a problem while bleeds are not, that can only mean that you haven't played stamina enough, and lacking experience on how deadly the bleed+defile combo is. Imagine getting hit by a debuff that cuts down your shields by %42 for 10 seconds. Now imagine this debuff being spammable. And also imagine your shields are replenishing over time instead of instantly, like a heal over time, so you're slowly approaching death evey second.. Yep, this is basically how it feels to fight a bleed build as a stamina guy. It sucks, and sloads is sooo tiny compared to that pressure.

And you apparently need to play magicka more because you dont realize that sloads ignores shields. Also stam sorcs really have no good source of defile unless they’re run lethal arrrow. There are some very specific bleed builds that are worse than sloads. But they require a lot more specific gear, traits and playstyle and I can honestly only think of one person in the last six months who I ran into in BGs or open world who really just rocked that playstyle and seems unbeatable. Sloads on the other hand is a fantastic all around set especially for mag DKs/mag NBs, is completely passive and procs on any damage at all and ignores all resistances and shields.

A sload isn't a problem for a shield user, you can easely outheal the damage.

What the hell are you saying stam sorc only defile source is lethal arrow ?
The best way to play a stam sorc is to run 1&S with heroic slash and reverb.

Sload damage isn't overpowered. Stacking sload is a problem and the cloak break is also a problem, but 853 damage per second is strong but not "OP"

I personally think that every set that deals dmg on his own. No matter the proc conditions should get removed from pvp. Making pvp way more skillbased them it is now. Working on ur class and learning mechanics. Working to be good. Thats what i want for pvp.

Not this proc meta bs where every Bad player can beat a better Player then him just by sloting these sets.

Fewer lag cause Server dont need to calculate the procs, more skill based Gameplay, less salt. Dude i would be perfect

As a person who intends to use Sloads' I completely agree. A PvP world without damaging proc sets would be amazing.

Ishammael wrote: »

The set is clearly broken

Sload's ticks 7 times (once at start and once per second for 6 seconds). That is 6k dmg. 6k unmitigated dmg is insane.

I challenge any player to walk that dmg back through Battle Spirit, Armor, and Defenses.

What if I told you about a craftable proc set that put a 20k DoT over 6s on people? Would you complain then? 'Cause thats basically what Sloads is.

You mean Zaan ? Oh no sorry Zaan is 34k or 60k when combined with Elf Bane, my bad

Joking, but i think Sload should keep either it's current damage or the cloak breaking mechanic, not both.
After sometime if half the playerbase is still using it then we'll see for another nerf.

If you think sloads will be magsorcs bane, think again. Simply using troll king (With staves as 2 pieces now its even better) and citrus filet will make sorcs have enough health regen to surpass this BS ON TOP of shields. Imagine how annoying they will be if you lack oblivion damage.

Any frags or crit will heal a tiny amount triggering troll king all the time on low health.

Lmao yeah okay try playing a medium armor stam nb without cloak in an outnumbered situation against sloads or even not

freespirit wrote: »

Oh dear something killing you??

Suck it up and find a way round it!!

There is no way around it.

AlexTheLion wrote: »

This post is really *** ironic considering OP is currently running this set on his mag dk build and now every magicka dk I run into in PvP has copied him and is also running the same thing. I’m sure I’ll get the usual “I’m just abusing the set so ZOS nerfs it” bs.

Its not really ironic though. You can believe something to be overtuned and still use it.

There is no honor code here, you have to use the strongest options to get the best results. Leave your pride at the door because no one else will give a ***.

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

AlexTheLion wrote: »

This post is really *** ironic considering OP is currently running this set on his mag dk build and now every magicka dk I run into in PvP has copied him and is also running the same thing. I’m sure I’ll get the usual “I’m just abusing the set so ZOS nerfs it” bs.

Its not really ironic though. You can believe something to be overtuned and still use it.

There is no honor code here, you have to use the strongest options to get the best results. Leave your pride at the door because no one else will give a ***.

This made me remember when people blamed spyher PK for using viper back when it was broken. The guy just wanted to have some fun after rejecting those sets for months and when he tried it for once, he got so much salt for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmpQBpBFRk

This video was made for the ridicilous viper-selene one shot proc meta. But the points sypher made is still true, watching this after almost a year, and the game and the community didn't learn anything from all that. We are still fighting each other as a community, instead of telling the developers that we want properly balanced PvP, being able to worry about a player's skill, instead of his gear.

Tbh in the end of the day, you gotta use whatever the game gives you. Its the developer's fault if something is overperforming. Players can not be held responsible for using sets or mechanics that are overpowered.

Which is fine until people start talking like they are the end all be all, t bagging people, talking smack, - especially to someone not using said sets.

It's fine to use broken stuff, it's not fine to talk like you're some how the better player because of it though.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

AlexTheLion wrote: »

This post is really *** ironic considering OP is currently running this set on his mag dk build and now every magicka dk I run into in PvP has copied him and is also running the same thing. I’m sure I’ll get the usual “I’m just abusing the set so ZOS nerfs it” bs.

Its not really ironic though. You can believe something to be overtuned and still use it.

There is no honor code here, you have to use the strongest options to get the best results. Leave your pride at the door because no one else will give a ***.

This made me remember when people blamed spyher PK for using viper back when it was broken. The guy just wanted to have some fun after rejecting those sets for months and when he tried it for once, he got so much salt for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmpQBpBFRk

This video was made for the ridicilous viper-selene one shot proc meta. But the points sypher made is still true, watching this after almost a year, and the game and the community didn't learn anything from all that. We are still fighting each other as a community, instead of telling the developers that we want properly balanced PvP, being able to worry about a player's skill, instead of his gear.

Tbh in the end of the day, you gotta use whatever the game gives you. Its the developer's fault if something is overperforming. Players can not be held responsible for using sets or mechanics that are overpowered.

Which is fine until people start talking like they are the end all be all, t bagging people, talking smack, - especially to someone not using said sets.

It's fine to use broken stuff, it's not fine to talk like you're some how the better player because of it though.

As I said again, If you think these sets give advantage to a player unworthy of even playing remotely close to your skill level, then the devs messed up. You can not blame a player for using what the game allows them. I'm sure you understand my point here.

This issue with proc sets and other balance problems are still there today, because you as a community hate and insult each other, instead of directing that frustration to the developers who did a poor job.

I will not blame a developer for a player's t-bagging. That's my point. Is that I'm taking your point - which (I believe) sets are OP and people will use them and we shouldn't blame the player but rather the developers - ok cool, the player is still an A hole or not, and using such sets while being an A hole is like double A holedom

Waffennacht wrote: »

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

AlexTheLion wrote: »

This post is really *** ironic considering OP is currently running this set on his mag dk build and now every magicka dk I run into in PvP has copied him and is also running the same thing. I’m sure I’ll get the usual “I’m just abusing the set so ZOS nerfs it” bs.

Its not really ironic though. You can believe something to be overtuned and still use it.

There is no honor code here, you have to use the strongest options to get the best results. Leave your pride at the door because no one else will give a ***.

This made me remember when people blamed spyher PK for using viper back when it was broken. The guy just wanted to have some fun after rejecting those sets for months and when he tried it for once, he got so much salt for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXmpQBpBFRk

This video was made for the ridicilous viper-selene one shot proc meta. But the points sypher made is still true, watching this after almost a year, and the game and the community didn't learn anything from all that. We are still fighting each other as a community, instead of telling the developers that we want properly balanced PvP, being able to worry about a player's skill, instead of his gear.

Tbh in the end of the day, you gotta use whatever the game gives you. Its the developer's fault if something is overperforming. Players can not be held responsible for using sets or mechanics that are overpowered.

Which is fine until people start talking like they are the end all be all, t bagging people, talking smack, - especially to someone not using said sets.

It's fine to use broken stuff, it's not fine to talk like you're some how the better player because of it though.

But that half of the equation cant be helped. Idiots will be idiots and thick skin needs to come in to play.

I mean it goes both ways really... how many times have i gotten salty msgs for running earthgore without any provocation on my end. The point is there are 2 types of people those that play to win and those who let dignity get in the way.

I come from the grass roots history of arcade culture and fighting games. And if there is anything i learned from super turbo its that if you are going to drop that hard earned quarter into the machine to play winner, you dont *** pick t hawk. Point being, you need to use the strongest tools available to you or get your ass in the back of the line.

Earthgore, incap, sload, zaan, erc etc etc deal with it. If you want to score snowflake points by gimping yourself so be it, but dont blame the guy that doesnt share yout values. I will absolutely use whatever is the best option within my reach in a given patch of eso and have been through this is more games than i care to admit. If you think you outplayed me because of a proc set or some other crap and you make sure i know, im not losing sleep over it and i could care less.


But i digress.. personally i dont think sloads is too strong in anything outside of 1v1.

Whatever breaks the cheeseness of sorc and nightblade is:

No player output required
Requires no skill
Needs to be nerfed

morrowind SP load screen says the following:

"there is nothing to be ashamed of nor wrong with running away or hiding from a fight you know you cannot win, it is better to escape than to die. come back when you are stronger, more prepared, and maybe even bring some friends"

there is nothing wrong with stealthing away to protect yourself, and nothing wrong with running away.