Which class is most in need of a buff?

Dredlord · May 2018

Magplar

Cadbury wrote: »

Although I main magplar, I feel magdens have it so much worse. And they're a paid class, too

Seeing this multiple times now makes me wonder when the game went f2p from b2p? Did I miss something?

Last I checked all the classes were PAID.

Juhasow · May 2018

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

Ok let me just make sure am I correctly understanding.

1. Mag nb
2. Magsorc , mag dk
3. Magplar , magwarden

This is what You wanted to say ?

Juhasow · May 2018

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

What's making Templars 2nd on the list?

Templars damage is super low because all of our damage skills are channels. Our passives are mostly out dated or broken. In PvP we are extremely vulnerable to burst damage while fighting because of the nature of our skills(unless your built like a tank). Our execute is worthless unless we are in a situation where we outnumber the opponent. We have terrible sustain. The whole "house" concept attached to our buffs make it so we cant move in a meta that puts a great emphasis on mobility. Also our main dps skill "sweeps" is mitigated by 3 CP stars. If someone straifs from left to right inside our rectangle of damage from sweeps 80% of the damage misses. The combined continued nerf to all our utility skills and healing combined with our already low damage makes pvping on a templar crazy hard.

I wouldnt say main reason is because of chanelling abilities. There was a time when templars had one of the best PvE DPS and very strong PvP dmg and their abilities was chanelled also at the time. Templars passive are not tragic. Atleast magplar can have use of all of them and there are builds that basicly have zero use of few class passives. Sustain isnt that bad if You decide to run with Honor the Dead morph Your defense is basicly free. Jabs are mitigated and buffed by the same amount of CP passives. Magplars have enough DoTs to make skoria basicly works like toogled ability and proc it on cooldown which increases their dmg dmg a lot. As for PvPing goes magplar may not be the strongest for 1vX but still decent for it and there are worse builds for that then magplar. Magplar is king of group PvP though.

Definietly not the class in the biggest need of buff. If anything magplar could got PvP dmg related buffs only if his easy mode defensive mechanics and sets that this class abuses would got nerf. The problem is that people say "give us more dmg so we wont have to build up so tanky" which is excatly opposite to what would happen. If magplars would got dmg buff they would remain tanky because they wouldnt have to sacrifice survivality for dmg. If templar would got dmg buff in the current state of the game we would just got tank that is doing high dmg and I think we already have enough broken builds like that.

If anything templar could get back reliable stun that goes through block and dodge for both magicka and stamina versions of the class.

Kadoin · May 2018

I'm going to make a magden since people say its weak

I can't wait.

Kreshja · May 2018

Magden

Magplar is still on par or better than magden as healer, is definitely better than magden as dps (alcast has magplar hitting 49k dps, which is higher than many classes and significantly higher than magden), maybe warden is better than maglar as tank but seems like DK still best tank

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

MagDK

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has greatly nerfed on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a buggy ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless flame damage?

Which class has the least amount of high damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDK

Darrett · May 2018

Stamplar

The more I consider it, Templar isn’t as much in need of a buff as a total overhaul of many skills, improvement of morphs and a reset of the “core” of the class, since the stationary play style isn’t as possible as it was at release.

Juhasow · May 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has greatly nerfed on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a buggy ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless flame damage?

Which class has the least amount of high damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDK

Which player have no idea what he's talking about ?

The answer is : WaltherCarraway

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2018

Magden

Juhasow wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has greatly nerfed on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a buggy ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless flame damage?

Which class has the least amount of high damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDK

Which player have no idea what he's talking about ?

The answer is : WaltherCarraway

Yep, that „useless flame damage“ really convinced me.

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

MagDK

Juhasow wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has greatly nerfed on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a buggy ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless flame damage?

Which class has the least amount of high damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDK

Which player have no idea what he's talking about ?

The answer is : WaltherCarraway

that’s a /s, urgh .

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2018

Magden

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has greatly nerfed on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a buggy ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless flame damage?

Which class has the least amount of high damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDK

Which player have no idea what he's talking about ?

The answer is : WaltherCarraway

that’s a /s, urgh .

Hard to tell from written words. The scourge for the forums, so to say.

Ragnarock41 · May 2018

StamDK

Rename this poll to ''Which class you main'', and it will give you very accurate results

So I'm voting for my main.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2018

Magden

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Rename this poll to ''Which class you main'', and it will give you very accurate results So I'm voting for my main.

I doubt that over 1/3 main magden but yeah, I get what you're saying.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Magden

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has greatly nerfed on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a buggy ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless flame damage?

Which class has the least amount of high damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDK

Which player have no idea what he's talking about ?

The answer is : WaltherCarraway

that’s a /s, urgh .

Hard to tell from written words. The scourge for the forums, so to say.

Not really. They just copied the warden post from the first page, but replaced it with DK variables.

Ragnarock41 · May 2018

StamDK

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Rename this poll to ''Which class you main'', and it will give you very accurate results So I'm voting for my main.

I doubt that over 1/3 main magden but yeah, I get what you're saying.

magden is the new magDK

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Magden

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Rename this poll to ''Which class you main'', and it will give you very accurate results So I'm voting for my main.

I doubt that over 1/3 main magden but yeah, I get what you're saying.

magden is the new magDK

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5055222/#Comment_5055222

aetherial_heavenn · May 2018

Magden

SpiderCultist wrote: »

pve: warden both flavours
pvp: magplar and magden

^^

Huyen · May 2018

Magden

Wardens got ruined premorrowind with the whole p2w discussions. So yeah they need a buff really bad.

Ragnarock41 · May 2018

StamDK

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Rename this poll to ''Which class you main'', and it will give you very accurate results So I'm voting for my main.

I doubt that over 1/3 main magden but yeah, I get what you're saying.

magden is the new magDK

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5055222/#Comment_5055222

I think you missed the joke friend.

BigBadVolk · May 2018

Magden

JamieAubrey wrote: »

NERF SORCS Wait.....wait ?

Here I fixed that for ya

But seriously its Warden both mag and Stam (kinda) needs some love from Zos, after them Templars too both mag and Stam (Stam needs more love here) the other classes, are kinda fine, they also need some love on some front but they are more than ok then these two classes

Maryal · May 2018

I suppose it depends on what the 'buff' is. I remember when ZOS felt they were giving NBs a buff when they gave us Malevolent Offering (and morphs). Again, I stress that ZOS felt giving NBs that skill was buffing the class.

Koensol · May 2018

Magplar

From a purely PvP perspective, it is 3 classes imo: Magplar, Stamdk and Magden. All 3 are *** in pvp, especially solo in the case of magplar and magden.

Magplar lack mobility, good defence, good ult, sustain and CC. It is THE most nerfed and stripped class in the game. Also their offense is easily interrupted and evaded.

Stamdk is a complete joke compared to other stan classes. Respect to all that play it well. They have so few stam morphs, and the ones they have are extemely lackluster. So they have to depend on weapon skills like no other class. Also their defensive tools are very limited and easy to counter, forcing them to rely on blocking moreso than other classes.

Magden is just a very limited class. They can function either as buff bot or as snaretard Xv1 zergling, but they lack the variety of offensive tools to really do well in solo play. Like templar, their cc is non existant.

Heka Cain · May 2018

The working class!

Soris · May 2018

Stamplar

Templars in general as they are the most nerfed class since beta days. Lately magplars got nerfs because of magdens were worse at healing and still they are keep nerfing magplars for no apparent reason. I picked stamplar because it shares similar negativities with magplars but worse at resource management. Their number 1 defensive skill purify cost way too much, 2 cast of it is enough to go OOM. Stamina recovery mechanic is literally non-existent during fights outside of stats and basic heavy attacks. Targeting difficulties with jab channel is also another problem both stam and magplar shares, it miss A LOT.

Animus-ESO · May 2018

Magplar

Juhasow wrote: »

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

What's making Templars 2nd on the list?

Templars damage is super low because all of our damage skills are channels. Our passives are mostly out dated or broken. In PvP we are extremely vulnerable to burst damage while fighting because of the nature of our skills(unless your built like a tank). Our execute is worthless unless we are in a situation where we outnumber the opponent. We have terrible sustain. The whole "house" concept attached to our buffs make it so we cant move in a meta that puts a great emphasis on mobility. Also our main dps skill "sweeps" is mitigated by 3 CP stars. If someone straifs from left to right inside our rectangle of damage from sweeps 80% of the damage misses. The combined continued nerf to all our utility skills and healing combined with our already low damage makes pvping on a templar crazy hard.

I wouldnt say main reason is because of chanelling abilities. There was a time when templars had one of the best PvE DPS and very strong PvP dmg and their abilities was chanelled also at the time. Templars passive are not tragic. Atleast magplar can have use of all of them and there are builds that basicly have zero use of few class passives. Sustain isnt that bad if You decide to run with Honor the Dead morph Your defense is basicly free. Jabs are mitigated and buffed by the same amount of CP passives. Magplars have enough DoTs to make skoria basicly works like toogled ability and proc it on cooldown which increases their dmg dmg a lot. As for PvPing goes magplar may not be the strongest for 1vX but still decent for it and there are worse builds for that then magplar. Magplar is king of group PvP though.

Definietly not the class in the biggest need of buff. If anything magplar could got PvP dmg related buffs only if his easy mode defensive mechanics and sets that this class abuses would got nerf. The problem is that people say "give us more dmg so we wont have to build up so tanky" which is excatly opposite to what would happen. If magplars would got dmg buff they would remain tanky because they wouldnt have to sacrifice survivality for dmg. If templar would got dmg buff in the current state of the game we would just got tank that is doing high dmg and I think we already have enough broken builds like that.

If anything templar could get back reliable stun that goes through block and dodge for both magicka and stamina versions of the class.

The damage is not the problem. I'm pulling 28k damage parses on a full impen build. Its the time it takes is to actually put damage on someone. When you cast jabs it makes you vulnerable. And unlike other classes, if we need to block something like a meteor we actually need to cancel our damage. No other class needs to do that because they have Insta cast skills. Another issue is targeting a player with jabs/sweeps. If they have any sort of mobility 80% of our damage just straight misses. We use magica and get not damage out of it all the while making us vulnerable to a counter attack for 1.1 seconds. Leading to another huge problem with jabs. Why a 1.1 second channel? This eats up 1 global cool down and dips far enough into another to make weaving a light attack difficult.
My solution: condense jabs into 3 strikes. Same damage but only 3 strikes that take .8 seconds to channel. This will give us more time to weave a light attack. Move the jabs snare to the first hit instead of the last. This will help with the mobility issue. All and all this would help magplar compete better with other classes by making it easier to weave light attacks. Also. The second morph of total dark (the one that doesnt heal) should be a unlockable c.c. with the aoe damage component attached to breaking it similar to the new sorc rune cage. That way we have a skill with two very viable morphs. One that reflects amd heals, and another that CC with a small burst.

templesus · May 2018

Stamplar

I feel as if the lack of votes for stamplar just proves even more how much we need a buff...it’s not that we don’t need one, people just literally forget we exist.

Numerikuu · May 2018

Magden

Wardens (especially magwarden) are an absolute joke of a class and need to be taken back to the drawing board. They need a complete and utter rework, along with ice staves.

Chilly-McFreeze · May 2018

Magden

templesus wrote: »

I feel as if the lack of votes for stamplar just proves even more how much we need a buff...it’s not that we don’t need one, people just literally forget we exist.

Apply this logic to stam sorcs, who got even fewer votes

Abelon · May 2018

Magden

Magden has to be chosen because it is a class that is in dire need of a good buff, or maybe even a rework.

But I also must mention Stamplars and Magplars. Feels like templars get nerfed to make wardens more attractive, but that is no good way to balance.

GreenhaloX · May 2018

All classes and toons need buffs. It's ok.. powercreeping, or whatever peeps are calling it, is fine for PvE. Buff away.. damn, in a perfect world, I guess. In the current ESO world, I see that "power-diminishing" is more of a reality.