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Magblade or Stamblade?
Zodi53
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So with the new patch what is better for solo and trials PvE magblade or Stamblade? I’m not so focused on higher DPS, just which one is more effective and will be needed in trials.
I play Stamblade at the moment but I genuinely feel so weak since the patch. I have the crowns to do a race change so I’m tempted to switch to mag right now.
I play Stamblade at the moment but I genuinely feel so weak since the patch. I have the crowns to do a race change so I’m tempted to switch to mag right now.
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NB is essentially leading both DPS races (magic and stam). For both VCR and VAS, you are going to be much more popular on a mageblade. The damage is not as high, but you are ranged, mobile, and spit out a fair amount of group heals (most progression groups will have you run funnel over the new psijic skills). It is going to be a while until most groups start bringing stam along for the newer progressions.
If you are running older trials and can compete for a melee spot, well, stamblade will serve you well, and is arguably the best option in the game.
If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Sorcs will do about 90% of the damage with 50% of the effort. Most players will actually do better on sorc (both magic and stam) than nightblade for what its worth.
Ultimately, mageblades are good everywhere in PVE whether solo or in a group, and while stamblades are amazing damage dealers, their use is a bit more limited. If you go Mageblade, go Dumner. Specifically to the solo part, if you are looking for a good VMA toon, mageblade is as easy as it gets these days (other than maybe magic sorc).Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 23, 2018 8:15PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There's a reason why every Sorcerer player I know is rerolling NB this patch."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Zodi53✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 24, 2018 7:08AM1 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
@Azyle1
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular. And again, when I am talking rotations, I am talking about hitting 50k or close on a dummy (which both are capable of doing). If your goal is to pull 25-30k, no class is really that tough in the grand scheme of things.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 25, 2018 4:42PM0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.
Yeah dude, I'll let you know. Problem is I just leveled mages guild up and now I am level 30 and gonna grind it out so it may be a day or so. THEN I need gear. Any recommendations on gear to start out? I Do NOT have a VMA inferno staff yet (Lightning staff
) but I figured it won't make or break me and I plan on getting it soon anyways. Oddly enough, I'm a scrub sometimes and didn't save up a lot of gear because I never thought about making another character....
I also can see your point. I can hit ~47 - 49K non cheese with my stamblade, but imagine there is a learning curve here.Edited by Azyle1 on May 25, 2018 4:46PM0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.
Yeah dude, I'll let you know. Problem is I just leveled mages guild up and now I am level 30 and gonna grind it out so it may be a day or so. THEN I need gear. Any recommendations on gear to start out? I Do NOT have an inferno staff yet (Lightning staff ) but I figured it won't make or break me and I plan on getting it soon anyways. Oddly enough, I'm a scrub sometimes and didn't save up a lot of gear because I never thought about making another character....
I also can see your point. I can hit ~47 - 49K non cheese with my stamblade, but imagine there is a learning curve here.
@Azyle1
You really dont need mages guild all the way maxed, but I feel you. Cant remember what levels the magic passives max out. Inner light is the only skill you really use in PVE. Obviously you want the biggest magic boost you can get from slotting it, but all the other passives and skills really arent necessary.
On another note, Elemental Weapon from the psijic line is really strong on mageblade. I would recomend funnel when learning it, but from a pure DPS standpoint, EW is a few K ahead.1 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.
Yeah dude, I'll let you know. Problem is I just leveled mages guild up and now I am level 30 and gonna grind it out so it may be a day or so. THEN I need gear. Any recommendations on gear to start out? I Do NOT have an inferno staff yet (Lightning staff ) but I figured it won't make or break me and I plan on getting it soon anyways. Oddly enough, I'm a scrub sometimes and didn't save up a lot of gear because I never thought about making another character....
I also can see your point. I can hit ~47 - 49K non cheese with my stamblade, but imagine there is a learning curve here.
@Azyle1
You really dont need mages guild all the way maxed, but I feel you. Cant remember what levels the magic passives max out. Inner light is the only skill you really use in PVE. Obviously you want the biggest magic boost you can get from slotting it, but all the other passives and skills really arent necessary.
On another note, Elemental Weapon from the psijic line is really strong on mageblade. I would recomend funnel when learning it, but from a pure DPS standpoint, EW is a few K ahead.
Cool. I'm on Xbox, but will look into that when summerset comes out.
Speaking of Summerset... I heard despite Acuity being nerfed, that people's DPS increased due to light attacks doing more?Edited by Azyle1 on May 25, 2018 4:56PM0 -
Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭Stamblades didn't get any nerfs this patch, if anything, they got buffed with the LA changes since they used to do much more LA than the other classes. Instead of race-changing, you could just respec (it's really cheap) and try it out, see if you like it.
If you do like it, I'd recommend just leveling another character so you can play both when you want. Magblade is definitly easier for solo content and are the best setup for trials at the moment but that may change in the future, that's why I recommend making another character.Edited by Nevasca on May 25, 2018 5:00PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.
Yeah dude, I'll let you know. Problem is I just leveled mages guild up and now I am level 30 and gonna grind it out so it may be a day or so. THEN I need gear. Any recommendations on gear to start out? I Do NOT have an inferno staff yet (Lightning staff ) but I figured it won't make or break me and I plan on getting it soon anyways. Oddly enough, I'm a scrub sometimes and didn't save up a lot of gear because I never thought about making another character....
I also can see your point. I can hit ~47 - 49K non cheese with my stamblade, but imagine there is a learning curve here.
@Azyle1
You really dont need mages guild all the way maxed, but I feel you. Cant remember what levels the magic passives max out. Inner light is the only skill you really use in PVE. Obviously you want the biggest magic boost you can get from slotting it, but all the other passives and skills really arent necessary.
On another note, Elemental Weapon from the psijic line is really strong on mageblade. I would recomend funnel when learning it, but from a pure DPS standpoint, EW is a few K ahead.
Cool. I'm on Xbox, but will look into that when summerset comes out.
Speaking of Summerset... I heard despite Acuity being nerfed, that people's DPS increased due to light attacks doing more?
My mageblade DPS is up 6-7k on a dummy. Not quite apples to apples as I am running different sets and can now slot a monster set on a dummy, but yes, it is a noticeable power increase. Biggest we have seen from a patch in quite some time, and I also dont have Siroria yet, which is clearly BIS.
LZH is up about 8k on a 6 million health dummy. He went from approx 41k to 49k from last patch based on his build videos.
For what it's worth I went from (on a 6 mil) pulling 39k ish with BSW/Mech Acuity, 1 Kena to about 46k with BSW/Mother's Sorrow, Zaan, and elemental weapon on my mageblade. Running EW requires you to swap Crippling grasp and Twisting Path to maintain your magicka flood passives, which admittedly is still throwing me off a bit. There is definitely more there with my gear, and certainly more with Siroria.
Also if you are on xbox, buy up any Mother's Sorrow inferno staff you can find. Even in training, they are going for 4-500k on PC.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on May 25, 2018 5:15PM0 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.
Yeah dude, I'll let you know. Problem is I just leveled mages guild up and now I am level 30 and gonna grind it out so it may be a day or so. THEN I need gear. Any recommendations on gear to start out? I Do NOT have an inferno staff yet (Lightning staff ) but I figured it won't make or break me and I plan on getting it soon anyways. Oddly enough, I'm a scrub sometimes and didn't save up a lot of gear because I never thought about making another character....
I also can see your point. I can hit ~47 - 49K non cheese with my stamblade, but imagine there is a learning curve here.
@Azyle1
You really dont need mages guild all the way maxed, but I feel you. Cant remember what levels the magic passives max out. Inner light is the only skill you really use in PVE. Obviously you want the biggest magic boost you can get from slotting it, but all the other passives and skills really arent necessary.
On another note, Elemental Weapon from the psijic line is really strong on mageblade. I would recomend funnel when learning it, but from a pure DPS standpoint, EW is a few K ahead.
Cool. I'm on Xbox, but will look into that when summerset comes out.
Speaking of Summerset... I heard despite Acuity being nerfed, that people's DPS increased due to light attacks doing more?
My mageblade DPS is up 6-7k on a dummy. Not quite apples to apples as I am running different sets and can now slot a monster set on a dummy, but yes, it is a noticeable power increase. Biggest we have seen from a patch in quite some time, and I also dont have Siroria yet, which is clearly BIS.
LZH is up about 8k on a 6 million health dummy. He went from approx 41k to 49k from last patch based on his build videos.
For what it's worth I went from (on a 6 mil) pulling 39k ish with BSW/Mech Acuity, 1 Kena to about 46k with BSW/Mother's Sorrow, Zaan, and elemental weapon on my mageblade. Running EW requires you to swap Crippling grasp and Twisting Path to maintain your magicka flood passives, which admittedly is still throwing me off a bit. There is definitely more there with my gear, and certainly more with Siroria.
Also if you are on xbox, buy up any Mother's Sorrow inferno staff you can find. Even in training, they are going for 4-500k on PC.
Mother's Sorrow is now BIS, yes? In addition to perfect mantle of whatever.Edited by Azyle1 on May 25, 2018 5:31PM0 -
adeptusminor✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Stamblade has a hard rotation?
Stam rotations are all pretty easy, but stamblade is a step above the rest. So yes, it has a hard rotation comparatively. Nightblade in general requires perfect weave and for you to manage a seperate skill (merciless/relentless). No other class has anything even remotely comparable to that. Mageblade rotation is harder, but stamblade is as hard as stamina gets, and frankly harder than any other magic class IMO. If you think its easy, more props to you.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »If you feel weak on a stamblade, I frankly question your rotation and build. No secret that NB (both magic and stam) are far and away the two most difficult rotations in the game, and second place isnt even close, but their damage is hard if not impossible to beat once you get the hang of it.
Honestly before the Summerset patch I never felt bad on a stamblade. I should tell you I have only done a couple of trials so I'm by no means experienced and my rotation isn't amazing, I was mostly PvPing before. But after the patch, mostly when playing Solo in the open world I just feel like i'm having much more nervous fights where my damage seems far worse than before.
I do think I will change to Magblade though, even just for a chance in style and something new. I definitely need to finally do VMA
If you want to do VMA, definitely go mageblade. It's doable on stam, but mageblade will be so much easier to learn it.
I only play a stam blade so I guess because I have 800 PVE hours in it, it just feels fluent and relatively straight forward. That said.. I'm going to level a Magblade now and I'm hoping I can pick it up quickly but we will see.
My guess is you will pick it up faster than most. The real trick is to manage merciless, which you obv have experience with. I will be interested to here what rotation you find harder to master. Mageblade has a lot of advantages, and you will definitely feel more survivable, but I am guessing it will take a little bit until you see the damage you want.
I say mageblade is harder than stamblade from a pure rotaiton standpoint, frankly, because I see a bigger gap between my parses and the best of the best parses on magic than I do on stam. Stam is always going to play tougher than magic in most content from a durability standpoint, but if I am just standing on a dummy, I found the stam rotation easier to execute because the rotation is at least somewhat circular.
Mageblade reminds me of the first time I tried to learn to juggle 4 balls after having spent a lot of time juggling 3.
Yeah dude, I'll let you know. Problem is I just leveled mages guild up and now I am level 30 and gonna grind it out so it may be a day or so. THEN I need gear. Any recommendations on gear to start out? I Do NOT have an inferno staff yet (Lightning staff ) but I figured it won't make or break me and I plan on getting it soon anyways. Oddly enough, I'm a scrub sometimes and didn't save up a lot of gear because I never thought about making another character....
I also can see your point. I can hit ~47 - 49K non cheese with my stamblade, but imagine there is a learning curve here.
@Azyle1
You really dont need mages guild all the way maxed, but I feel you. Cant remember what levels the magic passives max out. Inner light is the only skill you really use in PVE. Obviously you want the biggest magic boost you can get from slotting it, but all the other passives and skills really arent necessary.
On another note, Elemental Weapon from the psijic line is really strong on mageblade. I would recomend funnel when learning it, but from a pure DPS standpoint, EW is a few K ahead.
Cool. I'm on Xbox, but will look into that when summerset comes out.
Speaking of Summerset... I heard despite Acuity being nerfed, that people's DPS increased due to light attacks doing more?
My mageblade DPS is up 6-7k on a dummy. Not quite apples to apples as I am running different sets and can now slot a monster set on a dummy, but yes, it is a noticeable power increase. Biggest we have seen from a patch in quite some time, and I also dont have Siroria yet, which is clearly BIS.
LZH is up about 8k on a 6 million health dummy. He went from approx 41k to 49k from last patch based on his build videos.
For what it's worth I went from (on a 6 mil) pulling 39k ish with BSW/Mech Acuity, 1 Kena to about 46k with BSW/Mother's Sorrow, Zaan, and elemental weapon on my mageblade. Running EW requires you to swap Crippling grasp and Twisting Path to maintain your magicka flood passives, which admittedly is still throwing me off a bit. There is definitely more there with my gear, and certainly more with Siroria.
Also if you are on xbox, buy up any Mother's Sorrow inferno staff you can find. Even in training, they are going for 4-500k on PC.
Mother's Sorrow is now BIS, yes? In addition to perfect mantle of whatever.
Yeah, front barred Mother's Sorrow with 5 piece Siroria on the body is parsing highest at the moment.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes. Early favorite for BIS mageblade is 5 Siroria, 5 MS (front bar), back bar VMA, Zaan (if you can go melee), Skoria (if you cant).
Also of note, there seems to be a meta shift with Armor traits. Infused big pieces (Head, chest, Legs), are ahead of divines now that max stats have a greater impact on light attacks. Also, seems that at least 1,2 if not 3 pieces of bloodthirsty is going to be the thing on jewelry. I am currently runnning 2 myself.0
Yeah I am a fanboy... 