Which class is most in need of a buff?

Tan9oSuccka · May 2018

StamDK

LOL. Stam NB.

Trolololooo

red_emu · May 2018

Stamblade

Definitely StamBlade. Being killed in 0.9 seconds isn't fast enough. I want them to be able to kill me before I even appear on their screen!

Cadbury · May 2018

Magden

Although I main magplar, I feel magdens have it so much worse. And they're a paid class, too

Spurius_Lucilius · May 2018

Magden

mb10 wrote: »

When a class has FOUR damage dealing abilities, you know there's a problem.

When one of your frost damage abilities is actually a heal that heals 12% of max health which is 6% in PVP you know there's a problem with this class.

*btw just to break that down, average health is say 25k in pvp, 6% of that is 1500 health loool. 3k magicka and a skill animation for 1500 in PVP. Developers are really good at what they do evidently.
Oh and another btw, the damage dealing morph of this skill is based off your max HEALTH, not magicka LOL

Technically 5 now, Since Frozen Gate deals reasonable amount of damage right now. But it only deal damage when enemy doesn't have CC immunity and proc the portal, so it is pretty trash.

Irylia · May 2018

Magsorc

1. streak
3m increased range
Cleanses snares and provides 2s immunity to snares

2. Frag
stun.

Zardayne · May 2018

Magden

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Razorback174 wrote: »

Which class isn't on the leaderboards?

Which class has the absolute worst DPS, even with the best gear and optimal rotations?

Which class has no on-demand execute in its kit?

Which class has no on-demand stun in its kit?

Which class can't even run a class execute and stun at the same time since one is tied to a double-bar ultimate?

Which class's elemental damage is useless frost damage?

Which class has the least amount of damaging class skills?

The answer is: MAGDEN

It's criminal that the class has been neglected for so long. They sold us this class for REAL MONEY.

ZOS, when are you going to provide some actual CUSTOMER SERVICE and make it viable? You've sold us a broken product and failed to fix it for over 12 months.

@ZOS_Wrobel

I feel the same way. With currently 40% of the votes stating this class needs help I'm curious if ZOS will even notice.

_Ahala_ · May 2018

Magden

Buff magden, it’s underperforming in all aspects... (crippling shalk nerf and arctic wind troll) no zos no, buffing is not the same thing as nerfing into oblivion! (bird buff that’s actually a harsh nerf and awkward to use arctic gate buff)...well ok then... you do you, nothing we say seems to have any affect “Summerset in a nutshell”

Juhasow · May 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Seriously there are some people that voted for stamblade ?... As for thread itself it's kinda hard to decide since it's not specified is it PvP or PvE buff and there are builds that hugely suffers in PvE but do fine in PvP and vice-versa.

Fortunately, magden sucks ass in both PvE and PvP!

In PvP it's not that bad. There are worse builds in PvP.

Spurius_Lucilius · May 2018

Magden

Juhasow wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Seriously there are some people that voted for stamblade ?... As for thread itself it's kinda hard to decide since it's not specified is it PvP or PvE buff and there are builds that hugely suffers in PvE but do fine in PvP and vice-versa.

Fortunately, magden sucks ass in both PvE and PvP!

In PvP it's not that bad. There are worse builds in PvP.

Not that bad before Cliffracer and Deep Fissure Nerf. The worst after those nerf.

Juhasow · May 2018

Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Seriously there are some people that voted for stamblade ?... As for thread itself it's kinda hard to decide since it's not specified is it PvP or PvE buff and there are builds that hugely suffers in PvE but do fine in PvP and vice-versa.

Fortunately, magden sucks ass in both PvE and PvP!

In PvP it's not that bad. There are worse builds in PvP.

Not that bad before Cliffracer and Deep Fissure Nerf. The worst after those nerf.

Yeah it's slight nerf but still not game breaking. Major Breach is usefull tool and I was running with Master Destro at some point and it wasnt bad plus also stun from Deep Fissure was not that needed then.

HowlKimchi · May 2018

Magden

Tasear wrote: »

What's making Templars 2nd on the list?

Probably DPS wise, magplars suck.

But im fine with my magplar since in PVE he's a fulltime healer.

templesus · May 2018

Stamplar

Put it this way: how many stamplars do you see in Cyrodiil or in end game PvE?

GreenSoup2HoT · May 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Not a particular class but medium armour in pvp needs help. Heavy armour needs self heals reduced so that people who play dd's in pvp are in light/medium.

Heavy armor is not equal to "tank" more than light armor is equal to "mage". That´s one of the things that makes ESO unique. Those old MMO stereotypes is a part of the past.

You cant really say eso does that unique stereotype you speak of well though. Its not like eso is a balanced game. People dont make heavy healers in pvp because it unique, its just straight up stronger then light.

SpiderCultist · May 2018

Magplar

pve: warden both flavours
pvp: magplar and magden

testd4n1 · May 2018

Stamblade

StamNB really need a buff to their suitability. Perhaps a damage mitigation passive for medium or a physical pen buff as well.

HowlKimchi · May 2018

Magden

I don't get why people think magplars are weak in pvp. They are so versatile.

Tasear · May 2018

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

Share with group?

Minno · May 2018

Magden

Magden. Because as a temp main, even I have 2 sources of CC, although easily countered.

TelvanniWizard · May 2018

Magsorc

Needs more damage in the skills.

xxthir13enxx · May 2018

Magblade

Gimme

Joy_Division · May 2018

Magden

Don't main it, but it's apparent to be Magicka Warden is in need of big time reform.

FlamingBeard · May 2018

Magplar

HaruyukiHana wrote: »

I don't get why people think magplars are weak in pvp. They are so versatile.

Stamplar and magplar leave much to be desired in anything except a well-built group and even then, magplar is usually relegated to being the group's healbot and stamplar just lights up enemy groups with Power of the Light to allow allies to land killing blows rather than the stamplar themselves.

I just want better CC and a better Aedric Spear ultimate for melee-range burst damage.

HankJohnson · May 2018

Magden

I’ve tried this game a long while ago and level system turned me down. Returned a year ago. My main character is magden. I’m not going to abandon this character but with it’s DPS trials and group dungeons are basically forbidden to me.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Magden

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

I haven't seen anything to support this rumour. Wardens didn't get any buffs this patch, so their comparative DPS could not have gone up. Proof:

Magden (46-47k):

https://youtu.be/kZu-ylefTig

This video is from before they nerfed light attack damage by 20% in the 4.0.2 PTS patch (all classes were parsing over 50k at the time):

https://youtu.be/0vHcCG6sriU

Magplar (49k):

https://youtu.be/RkKBaSoj5Tc

46-47k damage puts them at the bottom of the barrel again, and this is with a double barred single target pet ultimate. The other classes all do more damage AND get to use an AOE ultimate. Warden DPS falls off a cliff in fights where you can't use pets.

Tasear · May 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

I haven't seen anything to support this rumour. Wardens didn't get any buffs this patch, so their comparative DPS could not have gone up. Proof:

Magden (46-47k):
https://youtu.be/kZu-ylefTig

This video is from before they nerfed light attack damage on the PTS patch:

https://youtu.be/0vHcCG6sriU

Magplar (49k):
https://youtu.be/RkKBaSoj5Tc

46-47k damage puts them at the bottom of the barrel again, and this is with a double barred single target pet ultimate. The other classes all do more damage AND get to use an AOE ultimate. Warden DPS falls off a cliff in fights where you can't use pets.

Do they make up for it say in defenses?

Tannus15 · May 2018

Magden

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

I haven't seen anything to support this rumour. Wardens didn't get any buffs this patch, so their comparative DPS could not have gone up. Proof:

Magden (46-47k):
https://youtu.be/kZu-ylefTig

This video is from before they nerfed light attack damage on the PTS patch:

https://youtu.be/0vHcCG6sriU

Magplar (49k):
https://youtu.be/RkKBaSoj5Tc

46-47k damage puts them at the bottom of the barrel again, and this is with a double barred single target pet ultimate. The other classes all do more damage AND get to use an AOE ultimate. Warden DPS falls off a cliff in fights where you can't use pets.

The non-pet build is the biggest problem imho.
They shouldn't be completely reliant on having the bear.

Tannus15 · May 2018

Magden

HankJohnson wrote: »

I’ve tried this game a long while ago and level system turned me down. Returned a year ago. My main character is magden. I’m not going to abandon this character but with it’s DPS trials and group dungeons are basically forbidden to me.

This is just flat out wrong.

Nothing is forbidden, you just need to "git gud".

"group dungeons" scale from 10k to 25k dps depending on the dungeon. It's easy to achieve this on a mag warden, even without bear.

"trials" scale from 25k to 35k dps requirement (vet only, normal is more like 15k to 30k). Again, this is not hard to achieve.

The only thing "forbidden" to you is leader board runs.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Magden

Tasear wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

I haven't seen anything to support this rumour. Wardens didn't get any buffs this patch, so their comparative DPS could not have gone up. Proof:

Magden (46-47k):
https://youtu.be/kZu-ylefTig

This video is from before they nerfed light attack damage on the PTS patch:

https://youtu.be/0vHcCG6sriU

Magplar (49k):
https://youtu.be/RkKBaSoj5Tc

46-47k damage puts them at the bottom of the barrel again, and this is with a double barred single target pet ultimate. The other classes all do more damage AND get to use an AOE ultimate. Warden DPS falls off a cliff in fights where you can't use pets.

Do they make up for it say in defenses?

Nope. Their DPS abilities only deal damage. They don't have any secondary effects.

They have tank abilities in their frost line, but they take a huge DPS hit by slotting them.

MLGProPlayer · May 2018

Magden

Tannus15 wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

YoungJacques69 wrote: »

All of you must not have seen the new Mag Warden Parses.......... They are getting the 3rd most Mag DPS.....

I haven't seen anything to support this rumour. Wardens didn't get any buffs this patch, so their comparative DPS could not have gone up. Proof:

Magden (46-47k):
https://youtu.be/kZu-ylefTig

This video is from before they nerfed light attack damage on the PTS patch:

https://youtu.be/0vHcCG6sriU

Magplar (49k):
https://youtu.be/RkKBaSoj5Tc

46-47k damage puts them at the bottom of the barrel again, and this is with a double barred single target pet ultimate. The other classes all do more damage AND get to use an AOE ultimate. Warden DPS falls off a cliff in fights where you can't use pets.

The non-pet build is the biggest problem imho.
They shouldn't be completely reliant on having the bear.

Yep. There are certain boss fights where you simply can't use a pet due to mechanics, or where the fight is add-heavy, requiring an AOE ult.

The bear currently makes up around 15% of the warden's DPS, which is ridiculously limiting to the class because that's a flat DPS loss of 15% in fights where you can't slot it (to a class that's already dead last in the DPS department).

chaserstorm16909 · May 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

I believe that stamblade is currently the weakest most underperforming class in the game and needs a huge buff.

Surprise attack is extremely weak.. I should be able to 1 shot world bosses with it from stealth and remove all armor from the target entirely, including the visuals, causing the target to become snared due to embarrassment.

Speaking of stealth, cloak should only cost half the magicka, grant immunity to ground effects, buff crit damage and movement speed by 50% and be a toggle instead of 3 seconds long.

The most disappointing skill of all, however, is probably incap. It's seriously a bit too expensive for what little it can do for such a great cost. For 70 ultimate I'd be expecting it to hit everything in a 100 meter radius, removing all shields, applying bleed, and reducing healing done by at least 95%. What a shame ZOS.

It should also refund 100% of ultimate on kill, because obviously it takes forever to accumulate enough.

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. But what if you don't kill the target with incap? Shouldn't they at least get a 50% buff to ulti regen too?