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Best Magplar Armor pre-2018 for Today
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If you had no access to any of the armor from the last 12 months, but had a max level Magplar that you wanted to use today in both PVP and PVE what old armor set would you use? I have almost everything that mattered from pre June of 2017 and nothing since.
I honestly have no idea about what the current meta is and no longer have any aspirations other than fun and being competitive in Cyrodiil so I’m not sure if I should go with a heavy proc build or simply max damage.
Any ideas about what works in today’s meta would be appreciated. At the time I stopped playing my Magplar had the highest magic pool of any Magplar on the XBox NA server I ever met, so that’s highly likely to be what I build around.
I honestly have no idea about what the current meta is and no longer have any aspirations other than fun and being competitive in Cyrodiil so I’m not sure if I should go with a heavy proc build or simply max damage.
Any ideas about what works in today’s meta would be appreciated. At the time I stopped playing my Magplar had the highest magic pool of any Magplar on the XBox NA server I ever met, so that’s highly likely to be what I build around.
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I personally go proc builds, but I'm all about BGs.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Oh hey!! Nice to see you!!
I personally go proc builds, but I'm all about BGs.
Good to see you! I’ll be online in just a few. Time to get back at it!1 -
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✭✭✭✭If I wanted to run the same setup in PvE and PvP on a magplar, I'd probably start with Julianos and Skoria and build out from there with another 5 piece of your choice.
Nothing radical, but simple, classic, and effective.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub2 -
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✭✭✭✭PVE: BSW and Mother's Sorrow, both of which are ancient by now. Juli + Moondancer will also do fine. If you don't have Sorrow farmed up since it used to be bad, or don't have Moondancer because people used to want swords instead of staves, then you could do worse than Juli or BSW + Willpower rings + Maelstrom staff back bar + Torug's or Ancient Grace staff front bar.
PVP: Kagrenac's + Transmutation will still make you a good group support build. Pirate Skelly + Transmutation + Spinner would be a good mix of damage, sustain, and tankiness, while being not too far off from the meta Riposte + War Maiden build that lots of people run. It would also do about equally well in no-CP BGs as in open world Cyro.Edited by casparian on May 21, 2018 7:17PM7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
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✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »If I wanted to run the same setup in PvE and PvP on a magplar, I'd probably start with Julianos and Skoria and build out from there with another 5 piece of your choice.
Nothing radical, but simple, classic, and effective.
Awesome. Pretty sure I have that. Definitely have the Julianos.
Is there a set that came out in the last year that I realllllllly need to know about? Like I’ll be in the middle of Cyrodiil and a giant axe will fall on my head cause of some dude’s armor? Never know what those wacky devs might have done.
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✭✭✭✭PVE: BSW and Mother's Sorrow, both of which are ancient by now. Juli + Moondancer will also do fine. If you don't have Sorrow farmed up since it used to be bad, or don't have Moondancer because people used to want swords instead of staves, then you could do worse than Juli or BSW + Willpower rings + Maelstrom staff back bar + Torug's or Ancient Grace staff front bar.
PVP: Kagrenac's + Transmutation will still make you a good group support build. Pirate Skelly + Transmutation + Spinner would be a good mix of damage, sustain, and tankiness, while being not too far off from the meta Riposte + War Maiden build that lots of people run. It would also do about equally well in no-CP BGs as in open world Cyro.
You know that guy in Cyrodiil who stands in the back and shoots beams all day?
I’m the worst offender. That’s my playstyle. Haha. I also like to think I made batswarm cool around these parts. Ahhhh ... the good old days.
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✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »PVE: BSW and Mother's Sorrow, both of which are ancient by now. Juli + Moondancer will also do fine. If you don't have Sorrow farmed up since it used to be bad, or don't have Moondancer because people used to want swords instead of staves, then you could do worse than Juli or BSW + Willpower rings + Maelstrom staff back bar + Torug's or Ancient Grace staff front bar.
PVP: Kagrenac's + Transmutation will still make you a good group support build. Pirate Skelly + Transmutation + Spinner would be a good mix of damage, sustain, and tankiness, while being not too far off from the meta Riposte + War Maiden build that lots of people run. It would also do about equally well in no-CP BGs as in open world Cyro.
You know that guy in Cyrodiil who stands in the back and shoots beams all day?
I’m the worst offender. That’s my playstyle. Haha. I also like to think I made batswarm cool around these parts. Ahhhh ... the good old days.
Thanks everyone!
Oh yeah I know that guy, seems like I run into him every other fight!7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭PVE: BSW and Mother's Sorrow, both of which are ancient by now. Juli + Moondancer will also do fine. If you don't have Sorrow farmed up since it used to be bad, or don't have Moondancer because people used to want swords instead of staves, then you could do worse than Juli or BSW + Willpower rings + Maelstrom staff back bar + Torug's or Ancient Grace staff front bar.
PVP: Kagrenac's + Transmutation will still make you a good group support build. Pirate Skelly + Transmutation + Spinner would be a good mix of damage, sustain, and tankiness, while being not too far off from the meta Riposte + War Maiden build that lots of people run. It would also do about equally well in no-CP BGs as in open world Cyro.
Innate axiom is almost a straight upgrade from war maiden, since it buffs heals as well.
Full meta would be overwhelming surge/riposte/skoria.2 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »If I wanted to run the same setup in PvE and PvP on a magplar, I'd probably start with Julianos and Skoria and build out from there with another 5 piece of your choice.
Nothing radical, but simple, classic, and effective.
Awesome. Pretty sure I have that. Definitely have the Julianos.
Is there a set that came out in the last year that I realllllllly need to know about? Like I’ll be in the middle of Cyrodiil and a giant axe will fall on my head cause of some dude’s armor? Never know what those wacky devs might have done.
The one set that I'd say is super important to be aware of is Zaan. If you see a weird orange beam connecting you to your opponent, get away and mitigate, as it's damage scales up per tick, and if you eat the full duration of the beam it's pretty nasty.
There are lots of other things to get up to speed on, but that's the only really rage/wtf-inducing addition that I think would confuse the heck out of a returning player.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »PVE: BSW and Mother's Sorrow, both of which are ancient by now. Juli + Moondancer will also do fine. If you don't have Sorrow farmed up since it used to be bad, or don't have Moondancer because people used to want swords instead of staves, then you could do worse than Juli or BSW + Willpower rings + Maelstrom staff back bar + Torug's or Ancient Grace staff front bar.
PVP: Kagrenac's + Transmutation will still make you a good group support build. Pirate Skelly + Transmutation + Spinner would be a good mix of damage, sustain, and tankiness, while being not too far off from the meta Riposte + War Maiden build that lots of people run. It would also do about equally well in no-CP BGs as in open world Cyro.
Innate axiom is almost a straight upgrade from war maiden, since it buffs heals as well.
Full meta would be overwhelming surge/riposte/skoria.
I'd say its more or less a stat pick:
- If you need 129 SD, then pick war maiden.
- If you value a little more stamina, then pick axiom.
War maiden might not buff heals, but I think the tooltip difference between the two is largely marginal. If you are already getting 12k tooltip BOL, is 12500 from axiom really that much better? If you are already using a set like shackle with tri food, you have like over 16-17k stamina (i had 16-18k stamina on my old magplar build). For summerset with jewel crafting, is another 1k stamina worth the 129 SD?
A loaded question that is build dependent. IMHO without 2k regen, the max stamina is only going to delay the inevitable while the 129 SD is going to help boost both your dmg and healing adding to your survival. So going from 16/18k to 17/19k doesnt make much difference. But that is my experience based on my old build that already used shackle for the stamina.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭I went with a combination of Grace of the Ancients, Willpower and Julianos. I use Honor the Dead but it’s tool tip on my off bar is 13200 in Cyrodiil unbuffed.
Ended up with 52352 Magic on my DPS bar. 698 CP.1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭For pre 2018 gear, I really really like Spectre's Eye for a Magplar...
Proc'ing Major Evasion with literally any Magicka ability cast is awesome and it can bring a type of defense to the table that Riposte's simply can't match: total damage negation from a given attack...
And not only can Spectre's Eye completely negate an attacks Damage, it can avoid an attacks secondary effects like CC and Poisons (which Riposte's cant do as well)...
The set has grown on me to the point where I feel it's indispensable during open world combat for my Magplar...
But that's just my 2 cents...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on May 21, 2018 9:42PMUnyeilding Bias
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Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »PVE: BSW and Mother's Sorrow, both of which are ancient by now. Juli + Moondancer will also do fine. If you don't have Sorrow farmed up since it used to be bad, or don't have Moondancer because people used to want swords instead of staves, then you could do worse than Juli or BSW + Willpower rings + Maelstrom staff back bar + Torug's or Ancient Grace staff front bar.
PVP: Kagrenac's + Transmutation will still make you a good group support build. Pirate Skelly + Transmutation + Spinner would be a good mix of damage, sustain, and tankiness, while being not too far off from the meta Riposte + War Maiden build that lots of people run. It would also do about equally well in no-CP BGs as in open world Cyro.
Innate axiom is almost a straight upgrade from war maiden, since it buffs heals as well.
Full meta would be overwhelming surge/riposte/skoria.
I'd say its more or less a stat pick:
- If you need 129 SD, then pick war maiden.
- If you value a little more stamina, then pick axiom.
War maiden might not buff heals, but I think the tooltip difference between the two is largely marginal. If you are already getting 12k tooltip BOL, is 12500 from axiom really that much better? If you are already using a set like shackle with tri food, you have like over 16-17k stamina (i had 16-18k stamina on my old magplar build). For summerset with jewel crafting, is another 1k stamina worth the 129 SD?
A loaded question that is build dependent. IMHO without 2k regen, the max stamina is only going to delay the inevitable while the 129 SD is going to help boost both your dmg and healing adding to your survival. So going from 16/18k to 17/19k doesnt make much difference. But that is my experience based on my old build that already used shackle for the stamina.
My problem in my initial comment was making things seem more clear-cut than they are, "Straight Upgrade" was a poor choice of words.
But let's not build up a straw man here, 1k stam is almost never as valuable as 129SD for an offensive magplar, and nobody claimed otherwise.
But that trade-off is worth the stronger heals, and it's not just BoL. The secondary healing from extended ritual, total dark, purifying light, etc are constantly and passively active on you and any teammates. You may be underestimating the value of self-healing.
You also get to use the offensive morph of radial sweep, which is kinda neat.
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✭✭✭✭THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I went with a combination of Grace of the Ancients, Willpower and Julianos. I use Honor the Dead but it’s tool tip on my off bar is 13200 in Cyrodiil unbuffed.
Ended up with 52352 Magic on my DPS bar. 698 CP.
This just worked really well in XBox NA Vivek for the last hour. As long as I constantly heavy attack with my lightning staff, and keep my shield up I’m all good. Love this game. I’ve remembered how awesome it is again.1 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Someone else said it and it's situational, as is any build of course, but Overwhelming is strong 1v1.
I wouldn't run it open world but that's just me.
I run 5 War Maiden, 5 Innate Axiom, 2 Skoria/BS/Slimecraw with either SNB back bar, or a 2h back bar with Forward Momentum.
For me, this works in BGs, Open World and Duels - You just have to be aggressive and not sit on your back bar 24/7 until you get an ult like all the Healbot Templars.
EDIT: Actually read the title - None of this is Pre-2018 but Axiom is craftable (2 trait) and WM is easy to pick up now.Edited by BNOC on May 22, 2018 9:13AMvMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
578,000 - 36 Minutes 58 Seconds (Top 2 World?)
vMSA - Magplar - Xbox NA
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Siliziumdioxid✭✭✭One Note: screw Dual wield. Even a resto staff is a better offensive weapon now.Guild: Ancaria1
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But you should really bite the bullet and farm zaan for magplarEdited by Lexxypwns on May 22, 2018 11:45AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Siliziumdioxid wrote: »One Note: screw Dual wield. Even a resto staff is a better offensive weapon now.
I run a sword and board and lightning staff. My build style has always been MORE MAGIC MORE MAGIC MORE MAGIC so the extra magic armor glyph on the shield helps a ton.
In most situations I literally just hold down heavy attack with my staff until I’m forced to use my abilities which are pretty much all very situational.
Side note ... am I the only person who still uses Radiant Oppression? There was a very low number of beams last night from what I saw.Edited by THEDKEXPERIENCE on May 22, 2018 1:32PM0 -
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But you should really bite the bullet and farm zaan for magplar
Noted! Good to see you @Lexxypwns
Your build advice is always good. If it wasn’t for you I’d probably still be running 0 crit resist. I still only run 1000 and change of it, and no impen (yuck), but I definitely always consider your input.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't PvP only do PvE questing... but on my Magplar I run 5/Jul, 5/War Maiden, 2/Willpower.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭✭✭I don't PvP only do PvE questing... but on my Magplar I run 5/Jul, 5/War Maiden, 2/Willpower.
But literally anything (or nothing) is more than sufficient for solo PVE questing at max CP.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
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Sorry, but I prefer to kill things super quickly, and running lessor sets results in more time spent killing mobs. So it all depends on whether you want to take more or less time to kill things that you'd seek to improve your gear for PvE questing.
Edited by ADarklore on May 22, 2018 3:04PMCP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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SugaComa✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »If I wanted to run the same setup in PvE and PvP on a magplar, I'd probably start with Julianos and Skoria and build out from there with another 5 piece of your choice.
Nothing radical, but simple, classic, and effective.
Awesome. Pretty sure I have that. Definitely have the Julianos.
Is there a set that came out in the last year that I realllllllly need to know about? Like I’ll be in the middle of Cyrodiil and a giant axe will fall on my head cause of some dude’s armor? Never know what those wacky devs might have done.
The one set that I'd say is super important to be aware of is Zaan. If you see a weird orange beam connecting you to your opponent, get away and mitigate, as it's damage scales up per tick, and if you eat the full duration of the beam it's pretty nasty.
There are lots of other things to get up to speed on, but that's the only really rage/wtf-inducing addition that I think would confuse the heck out of a returning player.
Orange beam ... I get killed by zaan daily ... I've never seen an orange beam yet ... So trust me it doesn't just confuse returning players0
