Nyladreas wrote: »

I agree, well done ZOS.

I find it pretty funny how people wait for the Pre-Release with so much excitement and happiness, and not even a few hours after the release instantly turn on ZOS and produce so much hate it would spark another world war. I mean seriously... What is wrong with this community? Not everything can always have a 100% smooth start, random problems are a part of everyday life everywhere.

What drives people to such nasty behaviour and entitlement?

Nyladreas wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I agree, well done ZOS.

I find it pretty funny how people wait for the Pre-Release with so much excitement and happiness, and not even a few hours after the release instantly turn on ZOS and produce so much hate it would spark another world war. I mean seriously... What is wrong with this community? Not everything can always have a 100% smooth start, random problems are a part of everyday life everywhere.

What drives people to such nasty behaviour and entitlement?

Not everyone is complaining about ZOS. A handful maybe but really, you're over exaggerating. I love ESO and think ZOS has done a great job with it. My only complaint is that you can't make a good looking female Dunmer, lol. I've tried and I just can't make it work. I have 7 great looking characters and well 1 not so great looking character, lol.

I'm not overexaggerating in the slightest, look not only here on the forums but on other social platforms including ingame guilds. People are freaking out over nothing.

Nyladreas wrote: »

I agree, well done ZOS.

I find it pretty funny how people wait for the Pre-Release with so much excitement and happiness, and not even a few hours after the release instantly turn on ZOS and produce so much hate it would spark another world war. I mean seriously... What is wrong with this community? Not everything can always have a 100% smooth start, random problems are a part of everyday life everywhere.

What drives people to such nasty behaviour and entitlement? Give it some time, wait, do other things around. Do some work in the back yard, clean up, read a book, do whatever... I know a ton of you bought snacks and energy drinks and what not to instantly rush into the new chapter and get ahead but life is about more than just this videogame. And developers are just ordinary people too.

Nyladreas wrote: »

I'm not here to argue with you though.

Nyladreas wrote: »

Also you're pointing at a definition with 0 understanding of it.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I agree, well done ZOS.

I find it pretty funny how people wait for the Pre-Release with so much excitement and happiness, and not even a few hours after the release instantly turn on ZOS and produce so much hate it would spark another world war. I mean seriously... What is wrong with this community? Not everything can always have a 100% smooth start, random problems are a part of everyday life everywhere.

What drives people to such nasty behaviour and entitlement? Give it some time, wait, do other things around. Do some work in the back yard, clean up, read a book, do whatever... I know a ton of you bought snacks and energy drinks and what not to instantly rush into the new chapter and get ahead but life is about more than just this videogame. And developers are just ordinary people too.

Paying customers are almost always entitled to complain and seek redress for their grievances. This is true even if they are ultimately wrong.

The point I want to make, though, is that the mentality of using the word "entitlement" in a pejorative sense, with respect to gaming, baffles me. When a software company is hired to do something for a corporation, if it isn't done right, an executive of that company is sitting in front of a manger from the relevant business unit within 24 hours, disaster recovery plan in hand. In many cases, even if it's a minor bug. The recovery process is laid out in detail in the agreement with the software company, and the executive is there to explain how it applies to the current situation and the associated recovery timeline. The software company's developers are no less vested in their creation than those of a gaming company, and sometimes more, for example, when the software is a critical safety component or the like.

The only difference is that a gaming company isn't selling a platform to one or a handful of customers. They are selling it to millions. Their revenue comes from a diffuse population of generally unsophisticated parties that are each paying in relatively minor amounts of money. Players aren't permitted to negotiate terms of the commercial agreement. They are either forced to agree to arbitration clauses and class action waivers, or don't understand what they are agreeing to and the resulting consequences. The average player likely doesn't have the ability or funds to pursue a grievance just for the principle of the matter. Finally, because people have varying personal tastes, and games often fill niches, there usually is no satisfactory alternative.

What really blows me away is that most people who use the word "entitlement" in the political sense believe that there is a distinct difference when, say, one person is paying €100M for a yacht instead of 3.5M players are paying $30 bucks for an expansion. Especially in regards to MMO's, where some players spend all their time, building relationships and adding to progression.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Rain_Greyraven wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

I agree, well done ZOS.

I find it pretty funny how people wait for the Pre-Release with so much excitement and happiness, and not even a few hours after the release instantly turn on ZOS and produce so much hate it would spark another world war. I mean seriously... What is wrong with this community? Not everything can always have a 100% smooth start, random problems are a part of everyday life everywhere.

What drives people to such nasty behaviour and entitlement? Give it some time, wait, do other things around. Do some work in the back yard, clean up, read a book, do whatever... I know a ton of you bought snacks and energy drinks and what not to instantly rush into the new chapter and get ahead but life is about more than just this videogame. And developers are just ordinary people too.

Paying customers are almost always entitled to complain and seek redress for their grievances. This is true even if they are ultimately wrong.

The point I want to make, though, is that the mentality of using the word "entitlement" in a pejorative sense, with respect to gaming, baffles me. When a software company is hired to do something for a corporation, if it isn't done right, an executive of that company is sitting in front of a manger from the relevant business unit within 24 hours, disaster recovery plan in hand. In many cases, even if it's a minor bug. The recovery process is laid out in detail in the agreement with the software company, and the executive is there to explain how it applies to the current situation and the associated recovery timeline. The software company's developers are no less vested in their creation than those of a gaming company, and sometimes more, for example, when the software is a critical safety component or the like.

The only difference is that a gaming company isn't selling a platform to one or a handful of customers. They are selling it to millions. Their revenue comes from a diffuse population of generally unsophisticated parties that are each paying in relatively minor amounts of money. Players aren't permitted to negotiate terms of the commercial agreement. They are either forced to agree to arbitration clauses and class action waivers, or don't understand what they are agreeing to and the resulting consequences. The average player likely doesn't have the ability or funds to pursue a grievance just for the principle of the matter. Finally, because people have varying personal tastes, and games often fill niches, there usually is no satisfactory alternative.

What really blows me away is that most people who use the word "entitlement" in the political sense believe that there is a distinct difference when, say, one person is paying €100M for a yacht instead of 3.5M players are paying $30 bucks for an expansion. Especially in regards to MMO's, where some players spend all their time, building relationships and adding to progression.

Ummm no...Entitlement is Entitlement, whether it is political or not and self perceived Entitlement is NEVER EVER a good thing. It's Hubris, Prideful and conceited to think otherwise.


No one, not one single person is Entitled to a damn thing, you have certain Inalienable rights, depending on what country you live in, but rights and Entitlements are very different things. You may pay for a service and if that service is not to your liking you may complain and you may have recourse depending on the laws of your country.

But you are never entitled to SH***
And spoiled babies who have never known any type of true hardship believing that they are entitled is whats wrong with this world.

There has never been a time in history where the term "entitlement" and "rights" were very different things.

For most of history, entitlement has been defined in terms of the vesting of a right in some person. In fact, it has had that meaning for so long a there is a Latin word for it, and Latin is so old it became a dead language... About 30 years ago "entitlement" gained the alternate definition of a benefit extended to individuals within a defined demographic rather than by a specific appropriation. In other words, an allocation of tax payer money that doesn't require specific approval by congress for each individual.

The poster I was responding to is now extending that definition to private contractual relationships, which have nothing to do with government programs. I don't necessarily blame him, politicians have been trying to broaden the reach of the terms as much as they can in order to gain control of our private lives, and most people just go with the flow. But I digress.

Rather than write a book, the following link that describes in mostly unbiased narrative the history of the term "entitle," or more particularly "entitlement."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/04/08/senses-of-entitlement

It doesn't pay much attention to the true meaning of "entitle" which is simply a derivation of "title," and refers to legal right that has vested (or perceived to have vested) in some person. In the sense of a perceived right, it means that a person believes they have a right to something, typically a right to land. However, it is not a perception that anyone views as being negative.

For example, as it turns out, some land owners will defraud buyers by selling their property to two different buyers that have no knowledge of each other. It is has happened often enough that in order to "quiet title," or ensure that there is certainty in ownership, most jurisdictions have rules that resolve particular scenarios. One variation of this is that the first purchaser wins unless the second purchaser buys the property before the first purchaser records title, in which case the second purchaser wins. Although the rule might be settled, here is a common scenario. A buyer seals the deal and a week later goes down to city hall to have the deed recorded. Soon after they begin to build a house or operate a business on the premises. Some 3-4 months go by and suddenly a stranger is telling them to get off their land. The stranger paid for the property after the buyer but before he recorded title. The demand is only being made now because the stranger was traveling around the world on business or somesuch. They sue each other and the court rules, according to common law, that the stranger owns the property and the buyer has to clear out in a certain period of time.

I have never run into a person that thinks the first buyer exhibits hubris, pride or conceit in believing they are entitled to the property.