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Summerset and changes that needs to happen
Kyreanna
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Greetings!
I have several expectations this coming expansion.
1/Since ZOS clearly demonstrated that "weaving" would be a vital part of our DPS & Res recovery ,
I hope they do ban animation cancelling.
Why? Many reasons to that ; the mechanics are based on said animations , so skipping them is a form
of exploit and cheat TBH.Also, these minor tweaks allow cheaters to stack light attacks without you being able
to properly block them since you cant see them!
Yes, a lot will say its allowed , but considering the mechanics will be enforced , I'm pretty sure this shouldnt be allowed.
Frankly, if your DPS depends on animation cancelling, you are a fraud and just exploit a loophole!
In all honesty , I'm sure that if it becomes subject to Ban , you will see a general DPS meltdown...since most seem
to relish on using exploits rather then skills to play...lets be honest : a game, a game people cant be bothered playing properly.lol
2/ZOS and letting all ADDONS go wild.
Since when do people need cues as to when to block , roll , dodge etc????
It seems this current generation of players is so lazy they cant be bothered into learning
mechanics and ingame cues, trust me , there are plenty.
Parsers , another great elitist tool , new players already live by the numbers to achieve greatness
rather then actually learning how to play.Now, instead of finding a decent/useful DD'S , you get a number crusher
that couldnt care less about teamplay.I would choose a versatile and proactive/reactive DD over one that loathes himself
on high numbers but that couldnt be bothered into doing the mechanics or be supportive.
I am not saying parsers should be out of the question, but they shouldnt be in a grouped instance.
You want to see your numbers and brag? Sure, hit your dummy and tell us how well you did, because in the end
what matters is how smooth the run was!
Point is , ZOS really has to start looking into addons and see whatever is creating imbalance or promoting lazyness
and remove them!
3/Cyrodiil and all PVP instances.
So many things going wrong right now, from cheaters to ingame exploits being wildly used ...
yet ZOS wonders as to why it is so laggy , glitchy and sometimes more of a pain then fun to participate in a campaign.
Easy , too many exploits, cheaters and addons overloading w crap data the current servers.
Also , since winning a campaign bears no actual consequences into the open world, it feels utterly
pointless to win...Even when my faction wins , I see no reasons to rejoice!
There should be real incentives, not gold or items, but events or instances , something that would be available
to said given faction for a month once they win...Just saying, lots of possibilities , yet nothing is done.
Alright, now imma get my head crushed by trolls , cheats and lazy players for suggesting removing
animation cancellation.
Well , so be it!
I have no qualms in saying I prefer playing fairly and the way the game is intended ; with its FULL MECHANICS!!!
I do hope some people are still willing to enjoy a game for what it is rather then what they want it to be!
Myself included, perhaps im deluded, but I still think ZOS cares enough bout their game to make drastic changes
and make it fair...for everyone!
^&^
I have several expectations this coming expansion.
1/Since ZOS clearly demonstrated that "weaving" would be a vital part of our DPS & Res recovery ,
I hope they do ban animation cancelling.
Why? Many reasons to that ; the mechanics are based on said animations , so skipping them is a form
of exploit and cheat TBH.Also, these minor tweaks allow cheaters to stack light attacks without you being able
to properly block them since you cant see them!
Yes, a lot will say its allowed , but considering the mechanics will be enforced , I'm pretty sure this shouldnt be allowed.
Frankly, if your DPS depends on animation cancelling, you are a fraud and just exploit a loophole!
In all honesty , I'm sure that if it becomes subject to Ban , you will see a general DPS meltdown...since most seem
to relish on using exploits rather then skills to play...lets be honest : a game, a game people cant be bothered playing properly.lol
2/ZOS and letting all ADDONS go wild.
Since when do people need cues as to when to block , roll , dodge etc????
It seems this current generation of players is so lazy they cant be bothered into learning
mechanics and ingame cues, trust me , there are plenty.
Parsers , another great elitist tool , new players already live by the numbers to achieve greatness
rather then actually learning how to play.Now, instead of finding a decent/useful DD'S , you get a number crusher
that couldnt care less about teamplay.I would choose a versatile and proactive/reactive DD over one that loathes himself
on high numbers but that couldnt be bothered into doing the mechanics or be supportive.
I am not saying parsers should be out of the question, but they shouldnt be in a grouped instance.
You want to see your numbers and brag? Sure, hit your dummy and tell us how well you did, because in the end
what matters is how smooth the run was!
Point is , ZOS really has to start looking into addons and see whatever is creating imbalance or promoting lazyness
and remove them!
3/Cyrodiil and all PVP instances.
So many things going wrong right now, from cheaters to ingame exploits being wildly used ...
yet ZOS wonders as to why it is so laggy , glitchy and sometimes more of a pain then fun to participate in a campaign.
Easy , too many exploits, cheaters and addons overloading w crap data the current servers.
Also , since winning a campaign bears no actual consequences into the open world, it feels utterly
pointless to win...Even when my faction wins , I see no reasons to rejoice!
There should be real incentives, not gold or items, but events or instances , something that would be available
to said given faction for a month once they win...Just saying, lots of possibilities , yet nothing is done.
Alright, now imma get my head crushed by trolls , cheats and lazy players for suggesting removing
animation cancellation.
Well , so be it!
I have no qualms in saying I prefer playing fairly and the way the game is intended ; with its FULL MECHANICS!!!
I do hope some people are still willing to enjoy a game for what it is rather then what they want it to be!
Myself included, perhaps im deluded, but I still think ZOS cares enough bout their game to make drastic changes
and make it fair...for everyone!
^&^
-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.
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Bam_Bam✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. ESO says its allowed - so it's allowed.
2. You're talking about MIATS - MIATS was made redundant ages ago.
3. PVP performance is fine. The game is playable - fix or upgrade your rig/connection.
4. L2P
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I myself don't favor animation canceling, especially in PvP. But at this point Zos either won't, or most likely can't, remove it without breaking the combat system.
It's probably here to stay. I'm learning how to do it more and more everyday, mostly because I want to be competitive. If Zos wanted to, or could, take out animation canceling, they would have by now. That's not me for it, it's just the reality of things. I'd take your own advice on this one....enjoy it for what it is and not what you want it to be.
If I remember right, winning a campaign used to translate to overland, or having the emperor buff did....something like that. But it gave far too much of an advantage, and instead of playing what you wanted, you played a character that had that advantage, and min/max'ers were using that in trials far too often. Could be wrong, but I think that's why it changed. Still, I agree, something would be nice, like a 2% increase gold drop, or a better chance for loot upgrade.
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Kyreanna✭✭1. ESO says its allowed - so it's allowed.
2. You're talking about MIATS - MIATS was made redundant ages ago.
3. PVP performance is fine. The game is playable - fix or upgrade your rig/connection.
4. L2P
True , ZOS did say it wasnt a bannable cause, but thats before Summerset
and since they did claim to put emphasis on weaving, dont bet on animation cancelling
being forever allowed!
That being said , animations are there for a reason : balance and I do hope
they put an end to this farce!
Cheers ^^-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.1 -
Kyreanna✭✭I myself don't favor animation canceling, especially in PvP. But at this point Zos either won't, or most likely can't, remove it without breaking the combat system.
It's probably here to stay. I'm learning how to do it more and more everyday, mostly because I want to be competitive. If Zos wanted to, or could, take out animation canceling, they would have by now. That's not me for it, it's just the reality of things.
If I remember right, winning a campaign used to translate to overland, or having the emperor buff did....something like that. But it gave far too much of an advantage, and instead of playing what you wanted, you played a character that had that advantage, and min/max'ers were using that in trials far too often. Could be wrong, but I think that's why it changed. Still, I agree, something would be nice, like a 2% increase gold drop, or a better chance for loot upgrade.
I agree, in the past, rewards clearly encouraged people to over optimize everything.
However, I still believe there must be a way to have incentives that are properly balanced. ^^-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭<snip> Point is , ZOS really has to start looking into addons and see whatever is creating imbalance or promoting lazyness and remove them! <snip>
I agree, simply because there are too many aspects in which there is disparity between the PC and console versions because of addons being PC-only, and they influence unfairly players' views on those aspects of the game, and it's those views which can then form the basis of changes made across all platforms.
A case in point is the trading system. If ZOS disabled trading addons for a month and then ran an official poll through the launcher we'd get a much better indication of how many people actually supported the present system compared with forum polls which are dominated by traders who are wholly dependent for their support of the system on addons that are denied to two-thirds of the playerbase.
The game has been running long enough now for ZOS to have a feel as to which addons are popular enough for their functions to be incorporated as options into the default game across all platforms. A lot of the addons simply promote laziness, as you say, especially among those players who having used the addons to make shortcuts through the game then complain that there's not enough to do!4 -
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3 is *** hilarious.
It is in no way anyones connection. It's ESO trying to fit alot through a very small hole at once and failing miseribly.
Also, to adress the rest in order:
1. It's crucial to DPS at this point. They dont even know what allows it to work. So they wont change it.
2. In game queues? Most of which are waaaay too little too late.
We are not lazy not cheaters by making use of mechanics and such in game. We are not horrible people for using DPS parsers. Whatever elitist had it out with you, there's no need to take it out on the rest of us.1 -
Rawkan✭✭✭✭✭None of these things need to happen. Plenty of people are happy with the game and look forward to Summerset if only for the new quests and content.1 -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just hope this is a troll post lol. I would like to state my disagreements but i honestly dunno where to begin
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Sovjet✭✭✭Banning people for animation canceling whut
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Did anyone else come in here thinking this was going to be about nerfing Sloads' or nerfing stamblades?0 -
Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭1. "these minor tweaks allow cheaters to stack light attacks without you being able
to properly block them since you cant see them!"
2. "Since when do people need cues as to when to block , roll , dodge etc????"
So which is it? Is everyone that weaves a cheater, or do you need to L2P because you need a cue telling you to react?Edited by Shad0wfire99 on May 20, 2018 1:26PM
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EDS604✭✭✭I seriously am flabbergasted.. the whole animation cancelling requires timing, getting good timing requires practice, practicing something hones your skills... Therefore, animation cancelling requires skill. Animation cancelling is what makes the combat system interesting, at least for me it does.. Seriously if animation cancelling would be removed, or bannable... I can NOT not ani-cancel anymore, goes automatically lol xD As for Queus when to block dodge etc, if you are bothered by those addons, don't use them. I rlly do not understand how someone could worry about this, seems like a waste of time and energy to me, just like replying to this post.PC EU, Guildleader of "Death By Gargoyle".4 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Here is my paraphrasing of your rant:
1) & 2) : "Everyone should be playing the game how I like it to be played with no variability or customization whatsoever!"
3) "Everyone is cheating and using addons to cheat so Imma blame lag and everything on that since I don't really know what the cause is!"I do hope some people are still willing to enjoy a game for what it is rather then what they want it to be!
^^ Hilariously ironic
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Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭1. ESO says its allowed - so it's allowed.
2. You're talking about MIATS - MIATS was made redundant ages ago.
3. PVP performance is fine. The game is playable - fix or upgrade your rig/connection.
4. L2P
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red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Animation cancel is here to stay. Not because ZOS doesn't care but because some abilities have a cast time. Imagine casting inevitable detonation (which feels like forever) and all of a sudden you see 5 flame reaches flying towards you? What do you do? You block or roll, therefore canceling an animation.
So there you go. Every time you block mid casting to save yourself you are an exploiter according to your reasoning.PC - EU:
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Greetings!
I have several expectations this coming expansion.
1/Since ZOS clearly demonstrated that "weaving" would be a vital part of our DPS & Res recovery ,
I hope they do ban animation cancelling.
Why? Many reasons to that ; the mechanics are based on said animations , so skipping them is a form
of exploit and cheat TBH.Also, these minor tweaks allow cheaters to stack light attacks without you being able
to properly block them since you cant see them!
Yes, a lot will say its allowed , but considering the mechanics will be enforced , I'm pretty sure this shouldnt be allowed.
Frankly, if your DPS depends on animation cancelling, you are a fraud and just exploit a loophole!
In all honesty , I'm sure that if it becomes subject to Ban , you will see a general DPS meltdown...since most seem
to relish on using exploits rather then skills to play...lets be honest : a game, a game people cant be bothered playing properly.lol
2/ZOS and letting all ADDONS go wild.
Since when do people need cues as to when to block , roll , dodge etc????
It seems this current generation of players is so lazy they cant be bothered into learning
mechanics and ingame cues, trust me , there are plenty.
Parsers , another great elitist tool , new players already live by the numbers to achieve greatness
rather then actually learning how to play.Now, instead of finding a decent/useful DD'S , you get a number crusher
that couldnt care less about teamplay.I would choose a versatile and proactive/reactive DD over one that loathes himself
on high numbers but that couldnt be bothered into doing the mechanics or be supportive.
I am not saying parsers should be out of the question, but they shouldnt be in a grouped instance.
You want to see your numbers and brag? Sure, hit your dummy and tell us how well you did, because in the end
what matters is how smooth the run was!
Point is , ZOS really has to start looking into addons and see whatever is creating imbalance or promoting lazyness
and remove them!
3/Cyrodiil and all PVP instances.
So many things going wrong right now, from cheaters to ingame exploits being wildly used ...
yet ZOS wonders as to why it is so laggy , glitchy and sometimes more of a pain then fun to participate in a campaign.
Easy , too many exploits, cheaters and addons overloading w crap data the current servers.
Also , since winning a campaign bears no actual consequences into the open world, it feels utterly
pointless to win...Even when my faction wins , I see no reasons to rejoice!
There should be real incentives, not gold or items, but events or instances , something that would be available
to said given faction for a month once they win...Just saying, lots of possibilities , yet nothing is done.
Alright, now imma get my head crushed by trolls , cheats and lazy players for suggesting removing
animation cancellation.
Well , so be it!
I have no qualms in saying I prefer playing fairly and the way the game is intended ; with its FULL MECHANICS!!!
I do hope some people are still willing to enjoy a game for what it is rather then what they want it to be!
Myself included, perhaps im deluded, but I still think ZOS cares enough bout their game to make drastic changes
and make it fair...for everyone!
^&^
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Kyreanna✭✭Lmao,
Seriously peeps, just some of the comments make me laugh.
The real issue isnt any of the mechanics but the community itself...just looking at the comments! lol
Also, notice those fearing for their privileged use of a "glitch" made into a "game mechanic" justify
themselves or trying to explain it...
There is no need to justify if you arent wrong in the first place r?
There is no need to quote or bring nothing new to wanted changes if its only to show off
or pretend you hold gospel truth because the majority does so.
People = majority = lazy , period in all MMO and ESO aint no exception lol
This proves once again that ZOS isnt making any changes because it became as lazy
at its player base.... = minimum of effort for maximum gain.
Dont get me wrong , getting the timing right to actually manage a sustainable AC + weaving isnt that easy
to handle.The point is , like many MMO , we have become lazy, thats it , nothing
so controversial about that.Someone quoted using exploits since the 90's, well great for you
and who cares for how long you have done it ! lol
MIATS, oh well it was a dead issue , but I like comments where ppl dont explain as to why , meaning
they have absolutely no clue what the issue really was.You hopped on a thread , read the first three comments and thats it,
expert in everything related to the subject! I'll read quantum physics and ill hold a seminar next week as to why blackholes will emerge from young Eso player's ears! lol
I was stating that there were enough cues ingame for the mechanics and that most addons were just
there because most ppl couldnt be bothered w learning said mechanics or just too lazy to explain to newcomers.
After all , why explain when you simply adjust an addon that tells you almost everything you need to do? ^^
Its just way past mechanics, exploits or cheats, its about how the community cant be bothered to propose
a unified front for changes (no matter what they are) or respond w constructive criticism rather then (i wont use the term)
just offering an empty answer.(half the comments above so far)
So sure, disagree or not (im all ears) , but an obscure quote wont fool most , idiotic attempts
to "burn" which totally validates my point for lazyness...
People that cant offer a real answer will just quote, repeat or offer a half-assed reply.
There was several interesting quotes with actual explanations (which will also brief those that werent aware of such info)
and to those people (agreeing or not) : thank you!
To all the others, well you k what you can do with your lack of imagination...
Oh, wait a second, no you cannot! lol
Cheers ^^
Edited by Kyreanna on May 20, 2018 10:40PM-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.1 -
Kyreanna✭✭So , does anyone actually have any changes they'd like to see
or you just like to add your grain of salt to useless comments?
Could be anything, flying donuts that eats ppl alive.
A river of cheese that divides a small island made of marshmallow...
You name it , but propose something...
I did, wasnt well-received, but who cares , it was a suggestion...
Saw only two people that did so, waiting for the other geniuses to propose something
other then quotes and copy-pastes.
You want to show you disagree or have a better idea in an intelligent fashion?Well there are two ways:
1/dont bother replying lol
2/or the really smart one, propose a change or anything you'd like to see! ^^
Edited by Kyreanna on May 20, 2018 11:04PM-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So , does anyone actually have any changes they'd like to see
or you just like to add your grain of salt to useless comments?
Could be anything, flying donuts that eats ppl alive.
A river of cheese that divides a small island made of marshmallow...
You name it , but propose something...
I did, wasnt well-received, but who cares , it was a suggestion...
Saw only two people that did so, waiting for the other geniuses to propose something
other then quotes and copy-pastes.
You want to show you disagree or have a better idea in an intelligent fashion?Well there are two ways:
1/dont bother replying lol
2/or the really smart one, propose a change or anything you'd like to see! ^^
Have a look at any one of thousands of posts on the forums for proposed changes. Or other threads, similar to yours, that have tried gathering changes in one place. I think most people just want true class balance and not sweeping changes all at once but incremental changes throughout the year as problems arise that are fixed hopefully with input from the new class rep program. And for ZOS to stop introducing OP proc sets both damage and healing. Imo the best thing for PvP would be a faction locked week or two week campaign that prohibits proc sets of any kind, perhaps even no CP.1 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Greetings!
I have several expectations this coming expansion.
cut for space ..
well said on every point you made i agree with you on all of it.
especially the cheating and removing animation canceling.
these things and much more, and balancing out damage and survivability between magicka and stamina is also constantly on the table.
as well as lagg problems.
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Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭So , does anyone actually have any changes they'd like to see
or you just like to add your grain of salt to useless comments?
Could be anything, flying donuts that eats ppl alive.
A river of cheese that divides a small island made of marshmallow...
You name it , but propose something...
I did, wasnt well-received, but who cares , it was a suggestion...
Saw only two people that did so, waiting for the other geniuses to propose something
other then quotes and copy-pastes.
You want to show you disagree or have a better idea in an intelligent fashion?Well there are two ways:
1/dont bother replying lol
2/or the really smart one, propose a change or anything you'd like to see! ^^
So, basically don't say anything at all if we don't agree with you? Got it.
Why does that sound so familiar?
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Argruna✭✭✭Greetings!
2/ZOS and letting all ADDONS go wild.
Since when do people need cues as to when to block , roll , dodge etc????
It seems this current generation of players is so lazy they cant be bothered into learning
mechanics and ingame cues, trust me , there are plenty.
Parsers , another great elitist tool , new players already live by the numbers to achieve greatness
rather then actually learning how to play.Now, instead of finding a decent/useful DD'S , you get a number crusher
that couldnt care less about teamplay.I would choose a versatile and proactive/reactive DD over one that loathes himself
on high numbers but that couldnt be bothered into doing the mechanics or be supportive.
I am not saying parsers should be out of the question, but they shouldnt be in a grouped instance.
You want to see your numbers and brag? Sure, hit your dummy and tell us how well you did, because in the end
what matters is how smooth the run was!
Point is , ZOS really has to start looking into addons and see whatever is creating imbalance or promoting lazyness
and remove them!
I don't know how the hell you could consider that lazy when you are trying to stay behind the boss to dps, keep an eye on where the tank is moving, keep an eye on the healers and make sure they are not getting eaten by adds, keep an eye on everyone in case there are mechanics that require you to free someone then on top of keeping an eye on a boss with aoe, teleportation and who knows what else they want to toss onto that fight. Those queues, especially the block one, is hard as hell to see when you have all these visual effects going on. I have player effects turned completely off and I still miss the block queue every once in a while when someone does Solar Disturbance and my eyes decide to meld all that yellow together.
Recount, Skada, etc are here to stay, hate to break that to you. I've seen plenty of cases in WoW where people used it to find the idiot in the raid that was just auto-attacking. The most prominent one I remember was an arms warrior in Mythic raid gear just berating everyone on their dps until someone posted numbers and an ele shaman was kicking his ass in numbers. I've also seen it used to defend and protect others. Someone saying that the druid wasn't healing at all but numbers posted showed that the druid was doing the most healing however the paladin was pewpewing instead of healing even though the queued as a healer. Hell, it's even saved me a few times from being kicked in dungeons on my enhance shaman. Had a tank gungho on getting rid of me and a mage posted numbers with the phrase 'I'm in better gear than that cow and they're kicking my ass in dps, chill dude.' So to maybe see that in eso where someone defends someone else, helps with someone getting a better rotation and offers constructive advice or shows that the 700cp NB was letting the level 30 in a dungeon do all the work? I'm down for it. That alone makes up for the bad seeds that can easily just be /ignored.
If Zos wants to look into addons, I'd prefer it over preventing a Weak Auras scandal than 'does this make players' lazy. For those that don't know, Weak Auras was a mod that is highly popular...to the point someone added malicious coding into it to steal gold from other players without you even knowing. Here's an article about it:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3dapb9/a-virus-is-spreading-across-world-of-warcraft-stealing-gold
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Animation Cancelling is fundamental to the game's mechanics, it's not going anywhere.
Same old complaining, and demanding those who disagree ignore you and never voice themselves.
L2P
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Kyreanna✭✭Shad0wfire99:
So, basically don't say anything at all if we don't agree with you? Got it.
Why does that sound so familiar? [/quote]
Nope, read before replying.
It meant if it is just to give a flavorless reply then it wasnt necessary since you'd bring nothing new to the table.
did you bring any suggestions? any changes you'd like to see? well ofc not , too busy being outraged by someone asking
for what you want to see happen...weird aint it?
-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.0 -
Kyreanna✭✭Judas Helviaryn :
Thank you for showing that you too cannot read.
Highly constructive response from you, but perhaps you might
enlighten us with a change or anything you would expect in summerset?
Ofc not , much better to put a pic and useless comment.
Funny, some people did respond and gaved their piece, yet in a constructive fashion.
These people got it, they knew what I meant, you obviously did not!-From dust we are born , to dust we shall return upon death.0
