Flame Staff vs. Lightning Staff backbar
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I know everyone switched to double flame staves as of the Dragon Bones patch. I haven't played much over the past few months, but I've started to theory craft now for Summerset.
I'm just trying to understand the reasoning for this shift now.
I typically keep AOE DoTs (WoE and Winter's Revenge on my warden) and buffs on my back bar. Switching to flame staff back bar means I lose 8% DPS on these abilities. That is made up somewhat by the increased flame damage to burning foes. I know there is also engulfing flames that boost WoE damage, but I'm still not sure that makes up for the flat 8% DPS loss to Winter's Revenge.
Am I missing something?
Edited by MLGProPlayer on May 20, 2018 4:17AM I'm just trying to understand the reasoning for this shift now.
I typically keep AOE DoTs (WoE and Winter's Revenge on my warden) and buffs on my back bar. Switching to flame staff back bar means I lose 8% DPS on these abilities. That is made up somewhat by the increased flame damage to burning foes. I know there is also engulfing flames that boost WoE damage, but I'm still not sure that makes up for the flat 8% DPS loss to Winter's Revenge.
Am I missing something?
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭. Switching to flame staff back bar means I lose 8% DPS on these abilities.
The ancient knowledge passive only applies when you are on that bar, it does not persist, as in cast winters revenge on a lightning staff back bar, you will lose the 8% if you swap to a fire staff front bar regardless.1 -
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✭✭✭✭On a Dk double fire is probably BiS, but results probably vary for everything else depending on a bunch of variables.
In my recent magplar testing with dual wield front bar, lightning was giving about 1.5k more DPS than fire on the backbar. I thought this was pretty odd considering I was using Zaan and Vampire's Bane with NO heavy attacking in any of the tests, but I'm not sure I care enough to math out why lol.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: ». Switching to flame staff back bar means I lose 8% DPS on these abilities.
The ancient knowledge passive only applies when you are on that bar, it does not persist, as in cast winters revenge on a lightning staff back bar, you will lose the 8% if you swap to a fire staff front bar regardless.
Ah gotchya, that makes sense.0 -
getemshauna✭✭✭✭✭On a Dk double fire is probably BiS, but results probably vary for everything else depending on a bunch of variables.
In my recent magplar testing with dual wield front bar, lightning was giving about 1.5k more DPS than fire on the backbar. I thought this was pretty odd considering I was using Zaan and Vampire's Bane with NO heavy attacking in any of the tests, but I'm not sure I care enough to math out why lol.
Test was inflated by minor vulnerability coming from lightning staff.
@OP: People switched due to offbalance changes.Founder of Call of the Undaunted
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✭✭✭✭✭I’ve found that lightning front bar works best on my magwarden, mostly for deep fissure and ground DoTs. I like to keep inferno back bar for the flame wall of elements, and I also activate the bear ultimate while on back bar so it hits 8% harder.
If you use a lot of single target abilities like force pulse, cliff racer, or imbue weapon then double inferno might be best, but I do not slot any of the spammables.
The other thing to consider is off-balance. If you have 75 points into thaumaturge then it is beneficial for someone to run lightning wall of elements. Preferably this would be a healer, tank, or sorcerer, but if nobody else has it then you should use it. It only takes one person to keep near maximum uptime on off-balance now (25%).0