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How can we make Hybrid Stam/Magicka builds more viable? A possible solution. (ZoS plz read :D)
dazee
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Basically what needs to be done is change all skills scaling for damage and effects to work off the total number of points you have in your stats rather than individually with each stat.
This would make spreading out points more desirable and less of gimping yourself.
This would make spreading out points more desirable and less of gimping yourself.
Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭by the way I mean resource/health values, since skills currently work like that only they scale on one of 2 stats instead of total.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭Hybrids are kind of in a good place right now, as neat gimmick setups that are basically playable but that aren't competitive with "pure" stam or mag.
We don't need to completely break the way damage is calculated in an attempt to make hybrid into the new meta.3 -
I have a Hybrid Stam/Mag DK, Front daggers, back Bow. I do nicely just about everywhere. I stay alive against all WB and deal about 5k-10k Front bar, and 15k-25k on my back bar. But against most WB and heavier stuff I have to stay on my front as ranged and Magic doesn’t do well.0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hybrid makes more sense as meta than putting every point into one dump stat making other stats useless for max effectiveness builds however.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.2 -
Narvuntien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They are pretty good in PVP.
The infused jewellery in summerset helps them out a lot because they can pump up weapon damage a lot the Prenials into spell damage.
They will never work in PVE though.0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You would simply be stack health to be more tanky and still have great damage. No dice.0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »You would simply be stack health to be more tanky and still have great damage. No dice.
Tanks badly need a damage buff, they could easily make health not contribute as much or something to make sure its not so big they're as good at dps as dps but tanks in ESO right now do so little damage its silly and not balanced at all.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
WillS1888✭✭Sorcs dark exchange could make for an interesting hybrid skill to use for a build like this. Ima try it out since this thread got me thinking of a build that could make you completely immune to dmg0 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cp is the biggest challenge for hybrids. That and an easy source of major sorcery and brutality.0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »Cp is the biggest challenge for hybrids. That and an easy source of major sorcery and brutality.
With pelinals you only need one of the two. And with each update the cp issue gets less severe. Cap raise, diminish returns etc0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »You would simply be stack health to be more tanky and still have great damage. No dice.
Tanks badly need a damage buff, they could easily make health not contribute as much or something to make sure its not so big they're as good at dps as dps but tanks in ESO right now do so little damage its silly and not balanced at all.
Tanks that do good damage don't make sense. Why would you play anything else? Everyone would just run the same skills and have the same bars if they did what you say. At least now there is a difference between mag and Stam DPS.0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »You would simply be stack health to be more tanky and still have great damage. No dice.
Tanks badly need a damage buff, they could easily make health not contribute as much or something to make sure its not so big they're as good at dps as dps but tanks in ESO right now do so little damage its silly and not balanced at all.
Tanks that do good damage don't make sense. Why would you play anything else? Everyone would just run the same skills and have the same bars if they did what you say. At least now there is a difference between mag and Stam DPS.
If tanks which do good damage (for a tank) don't make sense why do the 2 MMOs higher in health than ESO on the recent list both have them? in WoW or FFXIV a tank can do say 3k dps if its well geared and well played while the same level of skill on an equally set up DPS will result in 6k.
All I'm asking is that tanks be able to do half the dps of a good dps if its a good tank.
It's stupid that the better the tank you are the less damage you do and thus the more boring it is to solo.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »You would simply be stack health to be more tanky and still have great damage. No dice.
Tanks badly need a damage buff, they could easily make health not contribute as much or something to make sure its not so big they're as good at dps as dps but tanks in ESO right now do so little damage its silly and not balanced at all.
Tanks that do good damage don't make sense. Why would you play anything else? Everyone would just run the same skills and have the same bars if they did what you say. At least now there is a difference between mag and Stam DPS.
If tanks which do good damage (for a tank) don't make sense why do the 2 MMOs higher in health than ESO on the recent list both have them? in WoW or FFXIV a tank can do say 3k dps if its well geared and well played while the same level of skill on an equally set up DPS will result in 6k.
All I'm asking is that tanks be able to do half the dps of a good dps if its a good tank.
It's stupid that the better the tank you are the less damage you do and thus the more boring it is to solo.
Unlike those MMOs "tank" is not a class in ESO. Yes, in conventional MMO tanks need to do some damage otherwise they can't solo at all. But in ESO being a "tank" is just gear, skills, attributes and CP choice. Any tank can equip a very basic DD setup and put some damage oriented skills on his bar and he will be doing half of what a regular DD will do. And if you are willing to also respec attributes and CPs (for a mighty price of 6000 gold) you will become a fully competitive DD. Can you do the same in WoW or FFXIV?
And to stay on topic. Hybrids are in ok place. They come with a tradeoff. They have more utility, easier sustain but do less damage. The do not need to do the same damage as pure builds. Yes, it puts them in a bad spot for organized trials but this is the nature of the beast, every role in a trial is already highly specialized. Hybrids are ok for PvP, viable enough for dungeons and in general can be fun to play.0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »You would simply be stack health to be more tanky and still have great damage. No dice.
Tanks badly need a damage buff, they could easily make health not contribute as much or something to make sure its not so big they're as good at dps as dps but tanks in ESO right now do so little damage its silly and not balanced at all.
Tanks that do good damage don't make sense. Why would you play anything else? Everyone would just run the same skills and have the same bars if they did what you say. At least now there is a difference between mag and Stam DPS.
If tanks which do good damage (for a tank) don't make sense why do the 2 MMOs higher in health than ESO on the recent list both have them? in WoW or FFXIV a tank can do say 3k dps if its well geared and well played while the same level of skill on an equally set up DPS will result in 6k.
All I'm asking is that tanks be able to do half the dps of a good dps if its a good tank.
It's stupid that the better the tank you are the less damage you do and thus the more boring it is to solo.
Okay. So we must have different definitions for what a tank does. Please explain what you think a tank is.
Also if you are "soloing", meaning playing overland content, in tank gear/skills in eso, you are doing it wrong. If you are only able to get 6k dps solo, you are doing something wrong. I personally have 2 tanks, a Stam based dk and a mag based warden. They both have gear for tanking and then gear for "soloing". My stamdk just swaps out the back bar for a two hander and skills for it, she still wears ebon/dragongaurd/bloodspawn and I have completed the main quest just fine, though I do have a purple set of medium hundings I could swap her into if I felt like it, and all the overland stuff I have done with her is laughable. I get 10-12k DPS with just dizzing swing, brawler, reverse slice and flames of Oblivion. Easy. My warden is also specced to heal, so I just swap to the heal gear and just Lighting wall+heavy attack with lotus blossom up and that is 10k DPS by itself.
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Why is there elemental blockade on your overload bar?
Anyway looks nice, sorcs can get very nice sinergy by goinf hybrid, especially when getting into finisher range.0 -
gnarlyvandal✭✭✭Tanks can do half the dps as DD’s... getting about 10k on mine atm and it’s not even fully specced yet0
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✭✭gnarlyvandal wrote: »Tanks can do half the dps as DD’s... getting about 10k on mine atm and it’s not even fully specced yet
Let me know if this tank can tank vet trials, then tell me how you did it. Maybe tanking isnt dead in ESO, just almost nobody knows how to do it right.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
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✭✭now you can build hybrids with 20k mag 20k stam, 30k hp. 5k spell power, 5k wep power, 1700 mag recovery 1700 stam recovery and just go beast mode in cyro.
Hybrids have never been this strong as they are in summerset. Tho! has to be build proper.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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✭✭gnarlyvandal wrote: »Tanks can do half the dps as DD’s... getting about 10k on mine atm and it’s not even fully specced yet
Let me know if this tank can tank vet trials, then tell me how you did it. Maybe tanking isnt dead in ESO, just almost nobody knows how to do it right.
a proper ESO tank KNOWS that Dungeons = Easy / can do dmg. While trials... you kinda want too be a tank, that blocks.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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✭✭I Tank in every MMO I play except ESO (WoW, FFXIV, some other obscure ones you wont recognize) and I come to ESO and see no coherent threat system and OP taunts which literally force enemies to attack you for 15 whole seconds...
This is why I dont tank in ESO, as well as the fact a tank which does half decent damage (for a tank in general) has to sacrifice their ability to perma block in vet trialsPlaying your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
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✭✭You can also gain and hold aggro without. But those that dont ask will never know.Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.0