PVP ISSUE #3

Aquatorch · May 2018

PvP ranks are tough to get. I'm talking to the point of being almost impossible unless you were one of those folks who either 1: took advantage of the loophole a while back or 2: sit in front of a bridge farm for 8 hours a day, 2 years straight.

I have played ESO since beta, and for the past two years now I do primarily PvP. On average, I'm online for roughly three+ hours each day, yet I still haven't made the rank of general (or higher) on any one of my toons. While yes, I do switch between a few different toons periodically, making rank in a PvP is vastly more difficult than doing things in PvE. Although there really isn't a rank structure like so in PvE content, an example of what I'm talking about would be like pre CP days, a raiding guild required you to have completed vDSA and have all of the City of Ash achievements along with a certain DPS. Those were all easy to get and took only a matter of days or weeks, not years. None of those compare to the head-smashing against the wall, brain gruelling, insane time consumption requirement that you have to put forth to make rank in PvP.

So my suggestion here is to either make it so the rank you obtain is an account wide rank, or make it so rank is easier to get.

JamieAubrey · May 2018

And you couldn't add these to the first thread ?

Aquatorch · May 2018

I could have added them to the first thread, but since they are completely separate issues it doesn't make sense to do that. That's like saying that every thread here could've just been one thread only.

If you have an issue with the crown purchases costing an extra 20%, would you add that to the same thread as crown gem high value items having a .001% chance? Separate issues require separate threads.

Voxicity · May 2018

I have to agree on the idea of an account wide rank

The only reason I still play Stamblade is because if I played something else then it would be wasted time that I could be grinding for GO on my stamblade

Beardimus · May 2018

Not keen on that. Ranks etc are for that toon.

Kram8ion · May 2018

No it's a commitment
For me it was about 4000hrs to get to the rank of general and with cp scaling, experience scrolls and now research scrolls all increasingly making things easier it's not necessary

Peekachu99 · May 2018

Kram8ion wrote: »

No it's a commitment
For me it was about 4000hrs to get to the rank of general and with cp scaling, experience scrolls and now research scrolls all increasingly making things easier it's not necessary

Does AP scale with XP scrolls? I thought only the clearing a delve bonus did that.

Gargath · May 2018

How many issues do you plan to post in next threads?
Like already wrote, it's not the best idea to be visible on the forum like that, to start mutliple threads, when you could just make few points in single thread, like the majority does.

HairyFairy · May 2018

it's annoying when people want things made easier. I have been playing since beta, i have yet to have a single star on any toon, i only PVP. i play 7 characters. im not going to ask zos to make it easier for me to get a rank that means *** nothing. I kill 5 stars all day, its great.

Bam_Bam · May 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Not keen on that. Ranks etc are for that toon.

Agree. People need to put in the effort and stop expecting/demanding a "gimme, gimme" freebie.

Put the effort in like the rest of us.

Kram8ion · May 2018

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

No it's a commitment
For me it was about 4000hrs to get to the rank of general and with cp scaling, experience scrolls and now research scrolls all increasingly making things easier it's not necessary

Does AP scale with XP scrolls? I thought only the clearing a delve bonus did that.

Then simply get the delve bonus during mid year mahem

GreenhaloX · May 2018

Kram8ion wrote: »

No it's a commitment
For me it was about 4000hrs to get to the rank of general and with cp scaling, experience scrolls and now research scrolls all increasingly making things easier it's not necessary

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Not keen on that. Ranks etc are for that toon.

Agree. People need to put in the effort and stop expecting/demanding a "gimme, gimme" freebie.

Put the effort in like the rest of us.

I do agree that getting AP should not be anyway easier. Well, I guess it is easy enough, currently, if you're a part of a zerg (or raid group) that just can roll from one keep to the next all day long. Well, given that such raid group is not obliviated by a larger group, which occurs a lot. However, I would also agree that there needs to be new contents that offer presentable amounts of AP, other then just the keeps and resources grind. Some (or quite possibly) many of us are not so zergling enthusiasts. ..and no, just repairing walls and doors all day long are not a practicable or enjoyable ways of getting AP!

Well.. commitments are different for different folks. It is cool and good and all that some can just put into ESO or PvP (and a video game) all day long or night. Some of us, however, just have other commitments and priorities in life; thus, why some of us are only able to "play", maybe, an hour or two here and here (even when since Beta.) You know.. there's commitment to higher education in pursuant to getting that Master's degree or Phd and hopefully to contribute somehow is some ways, shape or form towards the betterment of the world, or the local communities at large. Then, there are those parents type with family commitments to raising their kids more properly and soundly; those afterschool kids' plays, sports games and whatnots.

These likes of us do come on to play ESO whenever we are able to, in an effort to try to escape a bit of the real world's daily grind, but no ways in mind to make a video game such as this a commitment or priority to PvP or grinding for AP. Ha ha. Hey, if you all that can or make sure a commitment to ESO, it is all good. It's the likes of you that keeps this game going.

Biro123 · May 2018

The rewards for PvP are the simple joys of grinding your enemy into the dust. Not ranks, nor achievements..

Lichbourne90 · May 2018

HairyFairy wrote: »

it's annoying when people want things made easier. I have been playing since beta, i have yet to have a single star on any toon, i only PVP. i play 7 characters. im not going to ask zos to make it easier for me to get a rank that means *** nothing. I kill 5 stars all day, its great.

This ^^^^^^ 1000%. Stop asking for things to be made easier.

VaranisArano · May 2018

I have Praetorian rank on my MagDK healer. I played this character for about a year-I knew how to PVP as a group healer on this toon.

I started a new PVP toon, a stam warden. When I started out with this toon, should I have had access to that Praetorian title?

With your account-wide rank, I would have. There's a benefit to that - it accurately represents my experience as a player. But There's a problem with it too - it misrepresents my experience with that toon. I did not have a Praetorian's worth of experience on my stam warden when I started.

My stam warden is now a Major, half a year later, and I don't regret leveling up a new character with new ranks.

Kram8ion · May 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Kram8ion wrote: »

No it's a commitment
For me it was about 4000hrs to get to the rank of general and with cp scaling, experience scrolls and now research scrolls all increasingly making things easier it's not necessary

Bam_Bam wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Not keen on that. Ranks etc are for that toon.

Agree. People need to put in the effort and stop expecting/demanding a "gimme, gimme" freebie.

Put the effort in like the rest of us.

I do agree that getting AP should not be anyway easier. Well, I guess it is easy enough, currently, if you're a part of a zerg (or raid group) that just can roll from one keep to the next all day long. Well, given that such raid group is not obliviated by a larger group, which occurs a lot. However, I would also agree that there needs to be new contents that offer presentable amounts of AP, other then just the keeps and resources grind. Some (or quite possibly) many of us are not so zergling enthusiasts. ..and no, just repairing walls and doors all day long are not a practicable or enjoyable ways of getting AP!

Well.. commitments are different for different folks. It is cool and good and all that some can just put into ESO or PvP (and a video game) all day long or night. Some of us, however, just have other commitments and priorities in life; thus, why some of us are only able to "play", maybe, an hour or two here and here (even when since Beta.) You know.. there's commitment to higher education in pursuant to getting that Master's degree or Phd and hopefully to contribute somehow is some ways, shape or form towards the betterment of the world, or the local communities at large. Then, there are those parents type with family commitments to raising their kids more properly and soundly; those afterschool kids' plays, sports games and whatnots.

These likes of us do come on to play ESO whenever we are able to, in an effort to try to escape a bit of the real world's daily grind, but no ways in mind to make a video game such as this a commitment or priority to PvP or grinding for AP. Ha ha. Hey, if you all that can or make sure a commitment to ESO, it is all good. It's the likes of you that keeps this game going.

It's not a lifestyle commitment just to one toon, however many hours you play doesn't really matter

cokris · May 2018

Expecting a game to change to suit your real life is kind of funny. If I don't have time to play, then I don't. Would I want more ap, stars on all my chars etc? Sure, but that doesn't mean that I expect a company to change their product for me, cause I choose to do other things with my time.

On top of that, if you've been here since beta then you already know that getting ap and ranks is so much easier today than it used to be. Ppl like themdogesbite and the like put in the effort with the old ap gain to get their stars. To complain about ranks now when it's easier to get ap is kind of funny too.

Aquatorch · May 2018

There are so many comments on here saying that I'm 'expecting' the game to make things easier for me to make rank...

If you look at it from a different point of view, if you earn 1,500,000 AP each month, then you're well ahead of the average. In fact, that puts you in the 80% or higher category for players. Now, if you do that every month for three years straight, you can obtain the level 50 rank.

Sure, if you don't have a job and are playing the game for 6+ hours per day, then you could easily get more AP than that, but then again... If you're on this game for 6+ hours a day, then you aren't ZOS's targeted demographic, because 99% of those players have no money to spend on the game.

I play this game almost every day and I spend more time on it than I should and most people that run into me on the NA server would say I'm no slouch. I know how to PvP and I'm good at it. I'm definitely not the best out there, but that's not the point. I don't think that I'm asking for them to nerf the livelihood of PvP into the ground, I'm only asking for something that's more realistic and in-line with the rest of the game. A three year commitment to the same toon is not realistic with any of the other achievements out there. Take a look at some of the other stuff that's considered 'super' hard. I have the Scalecaller / Fanglair skin and personality, but that only took two weeks of work to obtain. I have vDSA, some of the vet HM trials, I've gotten emp on multiple toons, at some point I think you should stop and realize that what I'm saying is true. ZOS need to fix their PvP rank structure.

lao · May 2018

i dont rly get it. why exactly is this an issue? there is zero benefit from beeing higher rank (apart from a few skill points no1 gives a *** about)

high rank doesnt say anything about your skill level either. most of the rank 40+ ppl got their AP through zerging and are complete trash at the game.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · May 2018

Biro123 wrote: »

The rewards for PvP are the simple joys of grinding your enemy into the dust. Not ranks, nor achievements..

The three best things in life;
To crush your enemies.
See them driven before you.
And to hear the lamentations of their women.

Sandman929 · May 2018

It's odd how something that most people will say means nothing (ranks) is something that people will turn around and then say that it should be a ridiculous grind to achieve that bit of nothing.
I've got a couple of Brigadiers, a couple of Tribunes, and a few more lower than that because I don't play all day and I certainly can't manage to play the same character every day, and that's just fine with me.
Those that have the time and the desire to get those achievements will, and those that don't, won't.
I agree that the AR ranks should have been account based, just my opinion, but they weren't and now I think the ship has sailed on that one.

BlackLabel · May 2018

As much as I would love for ranks to be account wide..I feel it is not a good representation of the players skill with that specific class. Pvp ranks let others know how much time and experience that individual has using that character, therefor indicating a general understanding of how good that player may be with that character. If it was account wide, it would show how much experience that individual has within pvp in general, but very well might suck with that toon.. so it’s bittersweet, but I think it should stay the way it is.

Also if it were account wide, everyone would have general+ which would be no fun

CatchMeTrolling · May 2018

Ranks really have no purpose besides getting a dye , other than that it’s just purely cosmetic. They already lowered it essentially when they buffed ap more than once.

DHale · May 2018

Or you could earn your ranks as they are as most (but not all) did. Lowering the bar to make people feel like they accomplished something... no beueno.

montjie · May 2018

DHale wrote: »

Or you could earn your ranks as they are as most (but not all) did. Lowering the bar to make people feel like they accomplished something... no beueno.

isnt that what zos has been doing for quite a while now?

Aquatorch · May 2018

DHale wrote: »

Or you could earn your ranks as they are as most (but not all) did. Lowering the bar to make people feel like they accomplished something... no beueno.

Did you even read my comment? This is a game, it's not a lifetime commitment. Nothing in PvE requires you to put in 4,000 hours to unlock something, so nothing in PvP should either.