State of DC on Vivec NA

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

Kartalin wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

Most competitive DCs play in Shor, because 'that' guild's monopolization of Vivec has made everyone either leave the campaign to have a swing at emp or leave DC altogether. It's not more complicated than that. Looks like they're on a hiatus though, so who knows what's next.

Everyone should know that this same guild would purposefully log on post-prime time when they played in Sotha Sil, cap the map and emp (trading emp among their members in the process), generate huge scoring while other factions slept and spend off hours farming opponents at or inside their gates. No wonder Sotha is the emp-trading shambles it is now.

Also pro-tip from Sotha thread veterans, don’t mention the guild or any members by name or they’ll report your post and the ZOS forum mods/bots will remove your post without a second thought. Possibly not a first thought.

I'm pretty sure thought's not involved in the process.

But yeah, there's a reason I despise toxic guilds that have destroyed the viability of Sotha Sil and made the pvp community of this game that much weaker.

Everything they touch turns to excrement, either directly or in the long run. I've seen screenshotted instances of Ni members getting constantly razzed if soloing on their blue toons post AD migration. All from that same group. I mean... why? To drive the wedge harder?

The PVP community in this game is not large enough anymore you can really pick who you play with or get any profit out of driving another player away except in the extreme example of the net cost of that player remaining being even more people gone in the long run.

As it is, there are two guilds that do give me hope on the DC side. That's GoD and IL. I've not seen a teabag or a snide comment out of them. They seem like they want to improve and constantly help their faction in the field when they're running.

Encourage them, DC. Give them your support, tell them you want to see more of them around. We want them to get better, to learn, improve, and be a competitive force on the field. That's the best thing I can suggest going forward.

Be the change you want to see in your faction, and treat those that are trying to organize and support the faction with respect and decency.

lostcloud · May 2018

The last campaign AD won, but as a guild we worked our asses off every night moving up the map to cap resources or keeps to grab those few points at each eval, it worked we won and the campaign was quite close right to the end. But it is a grind and at the end it seemed like AD let out a huge collective sigh, yay we did it now we don't care lol.
Populations during non NA primetimes have always fluctuated factions rise and fall, some have stayed down longer than others, just need to ride it out or change faction if your disloyal scum I mean you are so inclined. Its all roundabouts and swings, sometimes its fun being the underdog your never short of a fight, though the tough part is picking the fights you can win.
This campaign there has been a very strong EP resurgence pretty much every night I log in to OCE primetime to see EP with a distinct population advantage, this dosent usually persist for long as things usually even out during the first hour or so to two bars pop across the board. This is where ep has been able to gain such a lead most nights the map is for the most part red with both AD and DC back to tri keeps or gates. But honestly that's fine after the grind of winning the last campaign a red map makes fights very easy to find and this might sound strange coming from and AD player but I prefer a red or blue map to a yellow one.

Zos just need to put in some decent rewards for winning campaigns give us something to truly fight for.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

lostcloud wrote: »

Zos just need to put in some decent rewards for winning campaigns give us something to truly fight for.

ZOS really needs to add the Master weapons back in for end of campaign rewards for the winning faction. Give blue ones to the other faction's 2%, but give yellow ones to the winning 2% faction.

Minalan · May 2018

Personally I prefer playing the losing faction for the better fights.
- AD during the day when team purple comes and pointlessly rolls their home keeps and loots empty scroll temples.
- DC at night when EP and Ni zerg down their home keeps.

Whenever you have organized groups raiding your home turf, there are usually flocks of terrible zerglings running around trying to get to the main event. The AP is delicious, and that’s how 1vX videos happen.

Playing a winning faction is boring. You own all of these keeps, the enemy can’t take them. You outnumber the enemy, so you barely get a shot off before they’re dead. You get 50 guys responding to some poor nightblade taking ONE of your factions resources.

That’s when I relog and Alliance switch, sorry if that hurts anyone’s die-hard feelings but I prefer to solve an imbalance problem, not cause it.

VaranisArano · May 2018

As a staunch EP player, I'll start getting worried about the state of the campaign if this persists for a lengthy time past Summerset. PVP population fluctuating right before a Chapter drops isn't something I'm ready to declare a sign that the sky is falling.

Dreyloch · May 2018

For those in EP, I do often wonder what your queues look like during NA primetime. I mean, it must be pretty aweful. You can guest on Shor I suppose, but at some point don't you get tired of having to wait?

Highest queue I've seen on DC since I came back was like..72? That was on a Friday night as the gold vendor was going to spawn. Any other day, it "might" get close to 30. Which really isn't bad at all.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

For those in EP, I do often wonder what your queues look like during NA primetime. I mean, it must be pretty aweful. You can guest on Shor I suppose, but at some point don't you get tired of having to wait?

Highest queue I've seen on DC since I came back was like..72? That was on a Friday night as the gold vendor was going to spawn. Any other day, it "might" get close to 30. Which really isn't bad at all.

Most nights it's 5-20. Friday nights gets bad, though, at up to 100.

PVP population overall is way down, not just everyone else, hence the queue times shortening significantly.

Rin_Senya · May 2018

There was no queue for EP at the start of prime time last night (7 EST). At 9 pm it was 50

booksmcread · May 2018

Populations in Cyro both right before and right after a major update are going to fluctuate wildly. We're two weeks out from a chapter release. People might be spending time on the PTS, taking a short break, or working on other things in game outside of Cyro in preparation for the update. We won't get a good idea of the Cyrodiil summer population until at least two weeks after the update, more likely three weeks.

Kartalin · May 2018

AD doesn't really get much higher than a 10 queue Mon-Thurs evening, if that. Ton of AD weekend warriors tho

Luthid · May 2018

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

As it is, there are two guilds that do give me hope on the DC side. That's GoD and IL. I've not seen a teabag or a snide comment out of them. They seem like they want to improve and constantly help their faction in the field when they're running.

Encourage them, DC. Give them your support, tell them you want to see more of them around. We want them to get better, to learn, improve, and be a competitive force on the field. That's the best thing I can suggest going forward.

I want to call attention to this. The GM of Guardians of Daggerfall (previously GM of Pugs of Daggerfall) is a great leader and real class act. Each faction owes much to the raid leaders willing to take on the randoms and help them grow into better players, and he is that guy for DC.

I’ve gotten too used to the flexibility of playing solo, but every time I do feel like grouping it is with Nick. No negativity or drama in his groups or in zone, patient and generous with inexperienced players, and dedicated to benefitting DC (and having fun) when he leads.

Small, exclusive groups and guilds have value, but pug wranglers and GMs who recruit from zone lift the morale of the faction, and are worth supporting.

PainfulFAFA · May 2018

EP queue Mon-Thurs is anywhere between 20-60.... fridays its 100+
AD queue Mon-Thurs is around 5 - 20...

This campaign definitely feels like EP is over populated and DC is the underdog.... again.
I was reminded of the EP gate camping mess that went on for MONTHS back in Trueflame.... after seeing yesterday's map....
Im thinking making an alliance switch again, maybe main my DC this time... but i love my mageblade and DK too much

Iskras · May 2018

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

EP queue Mon-Thurs is anywhere between 20-60.... fridays its 100+
AD queue Mon-Thurs is around 5 - 20...

This campaign definitely feels like EP is over populated and DC is the underdog.... again.
I was reminded of the EP gate camping mess that went on for MONTHS back in Trueflame.... after seeing yesterday's map....
Im thinking making an alliance switch again, maybe main my DC this time... but i love my mageblade and DK too much

...and EP ONLY atack AD...with your friends DC.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

For those in EP, I do often wonder what your queues look like during NA primetime. I mean, it must be pretty aweful. You can guest on Shor I suppose, but at some point don't you get tired of having to wait?

Highest queue I've seen on DC since I came back was like..72? That was on a Friday night as the gold vendor was going to spawn. Any other day, it "might" get close to 30. Which really isn't bad at all.

Most nights it's 5-20. Friday nights gets bad, though, at up to 100.

PVP population overall is way down, not just everyone else, hence the queue times shortening significantly.

Luthid wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

As it is, there are two guilds that do give me hope on the DC side. That's GoD and IL. I've not seen a teabag or a snide comment out of them. They seem like they want to improve and constantly help their faction in the field when they're running.

Encourage them, DC. Give them your support, tell them you want to see more of them around. We want them to get better, to learn, improve, and be a competitive force on the field. That's the best thing I can suggest going forward.

I want to call attention to this. The GM of Guardians of Daggerfall (previously GM of Pugs of Daggerfall) is a great leader and real class act. Each faction owes much to the raid leaders willing to take on the randoms and help them grow into better players, and he is that guy for DC.

I’ve gotten too used to the flexibility of playing solo, but every time I do feel like grouping it is with Nick. No negativity or drama in his groups or in zone, patient and generous with inexperienced players, and dedicated to benefitting DC (and having fun) when he leads.

Small, exclusive groups and guilds have value, but pug wranglers and GMs who recruit from zone lift the morale of the faction, and are worth supporting.

This.

More of this from the DC to replace the old toxicity. This will get you better players and guilds and people who want to fight for the faction.

Once again to IL and GoD -- My hat's off to you for trying. Keep it up, keep improving. We want you guys to become a force to reckon with because a) you've been nothing but class acts so far and b) it keeps the tri faction war healthier.

barshemm · May 2018

Luthid wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

As it is, there are two guilds that do give me hope on the DC side. That's GoD and IL. I've not seen a teabag or a snide comment out of them. They seem like they want to improve and constantly help their faction in the field when they're running.

Encourage them, DC. Give them your support, tell them you want to see more of them around. We want them to get better, to learn, improve, and be a competitive force on the field. That's the best thing I can suggest going forward.

I want to call attention to this. The GM of Guardians of Daggerfall (previously GM of Pugs of Daggerfall) is a great leader and real class act. Each faction owes much to the raid leaders willing to take on the randoms and help them grow into better players, and he is that guy for DC.

I’ve gotten too used to the flexibility of playing solo, but every time I do feel like grouping it is with Nick. No negativity or drama in his groups or in zone, patient and generous with inexperienced players, and dedicated to benefitting DC (and having fun) when he leads.

Small, exclusive groups and guilds have value, but pug wranglers and GMs who recruit from zone lift the morale of the faction, and are worth supporting.

Except of course he's one of the biggest advocates of not getting emp if "someone" is on top of the leader board.

The past week someone else has been on top and DC has been more competitive. Quit sweating the head that wears the crown and seat your faction on the throne. Pushing emp gets pugs fired up.

MaximillianDiE · May 2018

maxjapank wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once.

There are currently 2 Oceanic guilds per faction that I see. I play with TKG, so this is just my observations on the guilds we often fight against. But the times they begin and end are different. And group size can vary from night to night. I suspect that some have planned guild nights, but it's definitely not every night.

AD - TKG and Queen's RAM.
DC - Vivace and Lost Samurai
EP - Wormhole and ZDM

DC has an Oceanic force. EP has an Oceanic force. AD has an Oceanic force. But just to put the time zone in perspective, this will often happen. I'm in Japan, by the way, so...

TKG (AD) logs in at 7:30 and plays till 10:30
Vavace (DC) logs in at 9:00 and plays till 11:00 or 12:00.
Wormhole (EP) logs in at 10:00 and plays till 12:00 or 1:00.

The times just don't match up perfectly. So there are periods when one faction has a more dominating presence. But more often that not, the numbers of players on every side are fairly even.

Neither of those two DC guilds you list are up to TKG or ZDM by a long stretch. I'm not sure I have even seen Lost Samurai on during my relatively new 7-12ish pm AEST playtime. DC is simply dominated in Oceanic playtime as I beg to differ with your two guild conclusion as you've left Ni and Nocturnal off that list too for AD who are exponentially more organised and have the numbers and EP who's whole faction runs around in one huge blob (other than ZDM and Wormhole) mindlessly pushing to Ales and then turtling there. I don't blame you for needing a change of scenery in a game which has stayed static for way too long, but both TKG and Ni defecting to AD at the same time gutted Oceanic DC and left no real organised opposition in DC for those of you that still enjoy the larger scale stack on crown play style so what those two guilds did actually did shift the balance in Oceanic regardless of rights or wrongs.

Honestly though - this late in the life cycle of the dying pvp in this game I couldn't care less how you want to play your game, except that Its annoying getting all our keeps taken and getting pushed back to our inner 3 keeps as it makes for a much longer run to the bridge so makes me have to take part in the map game to try to cut down on the amount of horse simulator I have to play!

I left off Ni (AD) because they play in a time period well before TKG gets on. They are more in the West Coast / NZ timezone. But regardless, they log off at least and hour or so before TKG starts up. And while I have heard reasons for why they switched to AD, they also changed to a time period where AD had absolutely zero guilds and organization. A time when AD was at one bar pop and getting mopped up by both DC and EP.

I think well of Nocturnal (AD). But for a while now, they haven't had very many on. They are recruiting. And I'm very supportive of them.

I think you underestimate Vivace (DC), Lost Samurai (DC), and Wormhole (EP). While I think we can defeat them, we definitely don't underestimate them. They are always getting better, and Wormhole gave us quite a fight last week on Saturday. Perhaps other DC and EP players don't know much about them. But as someone who fights against them night after night, I respect them.

You also cannot say that TKG (AD) and NI (AD) defected at the same time. TKG went to AD well before Ni came over. It's been a long time since TKG made the move. So long that I can't remember. But Ni only came over last campaign. And remember that Ni logs off well before TKG logs on. We do not fight at the same time. But when TKG went over, we had to. We would log onto a blue map and have nothing to do. Blue would be 3 bars pop and AD would have nothing. As a guild that looks to fight, there were no fights. It was boring as #$&%.

gabriebe wrote: »

Most competitive DCs play in Shor, because 'that' guild's monopolization of Vivec has made everyone either leave the campaign to have a swing at emp or leave DC altogether. It's not more complicated than that. Looks like they're on a hiatus though, so who knows what's next.

During NA primetime this is true. During Oceanic and Asian prime-time Shor is a deadzone with a pretty much no population. As a relatively competitive Australian based player (since launch) I play Shor when it has a population (i.e. during NA) but have no alternative other than to play Vivec where EP and AD have massive Asian zergs of a size and scale you wouldn't believe unless you stay up and actually see them and DC is fairly disorganised until the very tail end of my playtime when around midnight AEST I saw some pretty large DC guild groups running last night.

After experiencing last night's EP zerg (and later the DC one that appeared as I went to bed) I don't blame TKG for being on are AD if they stay up to fight those as I know Van is WA so that's in his playtime - they would be a hell of a lot of fun to run against. WTB old school K-Hole group!

Iskras · May 2018

Ep are just ruining the server and people talk about DC?

Lucky28 · May 2018

Iskras wrote: »

Ep are just ruining the server and people talk about DC?

EP population hasn't really changed. PTS and New content always mess up populations for a time.

Iskras · May 2018

Lucky28 wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

Ep are just ruining the server and people talk about DC?

EP population hasn't really changed. PTS and New content always mess up populations for a time.

I hope

Elong · May 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

For those in EP, I do often wonder what your queues look like during NA primetime. I mean, it must be pretty aweful. You can guest on Shor I suppose, but at some point don't you get tired of having to wait?

Highest queue I've seen on DC since I came back was like..72? That was on a Friday night as the gold vendor was going to spawn. Any other day, it "might" get close to 30. Which really isn't bad at all.

There's hardly a Queue to be honest, except on weekends. We're just running more efficiently, pugs are heading in the right direction, more groups are happening, the atmosphere is positive between guilds and the rewards are for all to see.

The score has also blown out because the campaign is considered over by DC and AD and they have completely given up. I fully expect the next campaign to go another faction's way.

Don't forget, the last 3 campaigns have been won by each faction once, PVP is still healthy, so begone with the short memories, and fight us harder next campaign!

Marcus684 · May 2018

I get the feeling a lot of AD and DC have decided EP is going to win the campaign and have jumped on their EP toons to try to farm up the best reward they can. I have no proof of this, but knowing that lots of players faction-hop, it seems logical.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

barshemm wrote: »

Except of course he's one of the biggest advocates of not getting emp if "someone" is on top of the leader board.

The past week someone else has been on top and DC has been more competitive. Quit sweating the head that wears the crown and seat your faction on the throne. Pushing emp gets pugs fired up.

Going back to respond to this sentiment --

There is no reason to reward bad behavior.

Also, Emp does not grant any points on the scoreboard and is oft times a net negative as your home keeps get flattened during the dethrone process.

I am absolutely in agreement with GoD's GM in regards to this. EP's denied the crown to people in the past previously as well.

Satiar · May 2018

It took years, but it looks like DC finally recognizes the [snip] for what it is. I would have enjoyed my stay on DC much more had this been the attitude when we first rolled there.

[Edit for inappropriate remark.]

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2018

Satiar wrote: »

It took years, but it looks like DC finally recognizes the cancer for what it is. I would have enjoyed my stay on DC much more had this been the attitude when we first rolled there.

I wish Sotha could've been saved before reaching this point.

New players need a place they can play, have fun, and feel they're contributing, and that's the place to do it due to how grindy the CP system is.

But alas, "winning" was more important than maintaining an environment where fun could be had indefinitely.

ZOS_Ragnar · May 2018

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