PvE Vet Trials Group DPS Comp in Summerset

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

So going into the meta group compositions for end game content, I am wondering what you guys feel the best composition will be given the gear and class changes in Summerset.

What we typically see now is a good variance of stam and mag in group comps being:

1 stamplar
1 stamsorc
2 stamblades
1 magsorc
3 magblades

What I’m interested in seeing is if stam is really taking a backseat in veteran end game content.

Patouf · May 2018

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XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

So going into the meta group compositions for end game content, I am wondering what you guys feel the best composition will be given the gear and class changes in Summerset.

What we typically see now is a good variance of stam and mag in group comps being:

1 stamplar
1 stamsorc
2 stamblades
2 magsorc
3 magblades

What I’m interested in seeing is if stam is really taking a backseat in veteran end game content.

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

Really? That’s the only thing you think that’s going to change is one more magsorc instead of a stamsorc? @Patouf

Patouf · May 2018

Meta is still Magicka DPS. Sblade just there for the War Machine bonus set. Splar just here for minor breach fracture.

Plus, the meta stamina DPS sets has been nerfed (NMG, sunderflame...).

Magicka have range, shields and mobility and speek kill trash in AoE.

However, sPlar and sBlade/mBade are very fun to play in PvE content as DPS.

SmellyUnlimited · May 2018

Patouf wrote: »

Meta is still Magicka DPS. Sblade just there for the War Machine bonus set. Splar just here for minor breach fracture.

Plus, the meta stamina DPS sets has been nerfed (NMG, sunderflame...).

Magicka have range, shields and mobility and speek kill trash in AoE.

However, sPlar and sBlade/mBade are very fun to play in PvE content as DPS.

With Sunderflame changed to minor fracture/breach, that alone makes Stamplar’s an unnecessary addition to the comp. Or still even now, quite a few Magicka Templar healers run PoTL. So are you saying outside of War Machine, there is no place in end-game comp for stamina?

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

I’m thinking the group comp will be:

1 magsorc with perfected staff
2-3 magdks
4-5 magblades

Healers will run breach poisons. Sorc will help provide alkosh uptime with synergies.

If magdks are outparsing stam and they have shields, no reason for stam anymore.

SupremeRissole · May 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Patouf wrote: »

Meta is still Magicka DPS. Sblade just there for the War Machine bonus set. Splar just here for minor breach fracture.

Plus, the meta stamina DPS sets has been nerfed (NMG, sunderflame...).

Magicka have range, shields and mobility and speek kill trash in AoE.

However, sPlar and sBlade/mBade are very fun to play in PvE content as DPS.

With Sunderflame changed to minor fracture/breach, that alone makes Stamplar’s an unnecessary addition to the comp. Or still even now, quite a few Magicka Templar healers run PoTL. So are you saying outside of War Machine, there is no place in end-game comp for stamina?

A good stamplar can keep potl up on multiple targets from a distance. Heavy attacking to get the debuff on more than one target will see a bit of a dps loss in trash fights. I am definitely biased as I main a plar but I wouldnt be surprised if stamplar is the only stam in a group next patch, just going to hit like a wet noodle wearing TFS/WM.

Furcula · May 2018

Stamnb will remain doing more damage than magblade. The meta will simply shift so that less stam classes will be viable.

1 stamplar
4 stamblade
1 magsorc
2 magblades

WuffyCerulei · May 2018

Dps build composition is gonna vary. Most trials will probs still stick with the 4 melee and 4 range, but groups usually don't stick to a rigid grouping. Even trials that have more range than melee will do well. My core group recently cleared vHoF HM with 2 melee and 6 range, twice. I even cleared HM on my magden.

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

Hey that’s awesome @WuffyCerulei, very cool and great accomplishment. I guess I was gearing my question towards score run group comp. I understand many have completed things on different classes. I’m just curious as to what will provide the biggest burn/faster times for the biggest scores.

I’ve seen parses of 55k+ magblades and 45k+ magdks in full raid setup (cp, mundus, gear) so that is what is leading me to this question. Tanks will wear the same gear and provide the same buffs including offtank maybe wearing the new trial set. And healers will possibly just run breach poisons for minor breach so no need for a stamplar anymore.

No reason to have stam melee in group buff sets because they only help other stam melee.

Patouf · May 2018

The meta is always magicka, especially with new trial to discover (new mechanics).

Actually, StamBoyz just here for their buff not their DPS except when for speed run and for ranking score.

Yes, i agree with one mDK at least in one group with wall fire elements meta and light attack weaving on fire staff.

1 mSorc is necessary ofc for crit passive, negate
x mNB is not necessary but shine everywhere with their DPS, ultimates, passives and beautiful gameplay.
1 mDK for fire damage buff, chains
1 Stamplar at least, because jabs kill all and potl (even with other sets it is reachable) and magicka buff passives
2 sBlade for their set, but Stamplar can use War machine too

1 main tank DK/Warden (DK more solid choice, but for some instance ressource management is more important so Warden is sometimes a little better)
1 Healplar at least + 1 wardheal/healplar (maybe a DK heal or NB heal or sorcHeal why not but... the passives and shards of warden and templar are too good for the team)

EDIT : If mDen would do good dps without ultimate pet it will be a solid choice to remplace one mNB, if mPlar would manage better its magicka it will be a solid choice.

exeeter702 · May 2018

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

So going into the meta group compositions for end game content, I am wondering what you guys feel the best composition will be given the gear and class changes in Summerset.

What we typically see now is a good variance of stam and mag in group comps being:

1 stamplar
1 stamsorc
2 stamblades
1 magsorc
3 magblades

What I’m interested in seeing is if stam is really taking a backseat in veteran end game content.

I find it peculiar that you by default ommit tanks and healers. Change the thread title to specify dps trial comps maybe

exeeter702 · May 2018

Patouf wrote: »

1 Healplar at least + 1 wardheal/healplar (maybe a DK heal or NB heal or sorcHeal why not but... the passives and shards of warden and templar are too good for the team)

Which passives exactly? The ones that only improve restoring light and green balance spells specifically? The one that gives temps minor mending(nbs has) or wardens major mending(dk has)? Res speed(healers never rez) or ult gen(nb and dk has)?. Minor intellect on warden shrooms? (Sorc has on ward). Orbs vs shards is dead equal depending on the encounter.

XiDiabolismiX · May 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

So going into the meta group compositions for end game content, I am wondering what you guys feel the best composition will be given the gear and class changes in Summerset.

What we typically see now is a good variance of stam and mag in group comps being:

1 stamplar
1 stamsorc
2 stamblades
1 magsorc
3 magblades

What I’m interested in seeing is if stam is really taking a backseat in veteran end game content.

I find it peculiar that you by default ommit tanks and healers. Change the thread title to specify dps trial comps maybe

Lol, sorry about that. I guess I should have specified!

SmellyUnlimited · May 2018

What about Magplars?

It sucks that the PTS changes are leading to a wholesale destruction of stamina dps viability. Stamina was slightly edging out Magicka in terms of single-target damage, but at a legitimate cost:

-Specific gear allocations
-More vulnerable to epicenter of damage (with no shield mitigation)
**-Having to generally use non-class based weapon skills.

Every class has a wealth of Magicka-centric morphs, but there are VERY few stamina morphs by comparison. So should we take this move from ZOS as a desire to move Stam out of the meta? It would certainly be easier for them to create end-game content with only one skill set in mind. More importantly, does this not seem subversive in a fiduciary way, almost forcing people to race-change and convert to Magicka or make entirely new Magicka characters?

Lynx7386 · May 2018

Dont even need the stamplar anymore since anyone running night mother's gaze will provide minor debuffs now. Probably get more DPS out of a stamblade, stamdk, maybe even a stamwarden.

Alcast · May 2018

In Cloudblade.....Nightrest.....ehhh I mean in Cloudrest

what you want is

SmellyUnlimited · May 2018

Alcast wrote: »

In Cloudblade.....Nightrest.....ehhh I mean in Cloudrest what you want is

So would that be both Magicka and Stamina varieties?

It’s true then. Magicka is back to being the new meta (stam had a short stint in the sun, but even then nowhere near the heights Magicka has stood).

Well, this will be a pretty boring DLC then.