State of DC on Vivec NA

Dreyloch · May 2018

So after about a month of being back to the game from a 6 month break, I've found that DC is lacking on a competitive scale guild wise. Compared to EP and AD. (it's hard to do this without really naming names). There are a couple of good guilds, but nothing on the level of one EP ,and one AD guild in particular.

The one AD guild only plays about 3 days a week in force. The EP guild varys, but when they're on, they like to farm inside the other factions' home keeps. (no words describe that annoyance btw). However, when both these guilds are on, it's almost certain DC will be pushed back to Tri-keeps, and sometimes lose scrolls as well. Scrolls don't mean much atm, but if this continues into Summerset, it will become quite a dire situation due to scrolls earning 10 pts each. (from what I hear on PTS).

I understand we're still in second place, but the gap between all 3 factions this month is way larger than I've ever seen. What we see now is how it will end up. EP,DC,AD. there is no miracle or numerical way for DC or AD to change current position with the time that's left.

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once. Some of what I'm implying here is our own fault. Been plenty of times I've seen I.C. be fully blue, when we're pop locked and yet lack the forces to defend on 2 fronts. I can scream till I pass out, but that won't change anything regarding population in I.C.

So what this all boils down to is this. Do any guilds from EP or AD plan on making the switch/coming back to DC? You don't have to name your guild. You don't even need to say what faction your on. Just a yes or no etc.

Iskras · May 2018

They have players at all times, alias, they are locked 24 hours a day, I do not know what you're complaining about ...

Ley · May 2018

DC recently won 3 (or was it 4?) Vivec campaigns in a row. Just the last couple we've been falling behind. I don't think much has changed with DC, I think the other alliances have stepped up their game a bit.

Vilestride · May 2018

Yes.

fastolfv_ESO · May 2018

dc has never had more guilds than any other alliance primetime, pretty sure most weekdays i actually run the only guild dc primetime and we only run 12 unlike kush pm vaevectus guilds that all try and clump multiple raids. Biggest issue right now is just pop caps not working favoring ep so heavily most people just log. Its made this current campaign total ***

WuffyCerulei · May 2018

I'd say a few months ago, DC was winning like 4-5 campaigns in a row. The mega zergs, don't get me started on that. After Dragon Bones was released, they lost some of their strength. And EP being EP, when ahead and beat their butts.

chris211 · May 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

So after about a month of being back to the game from a 6 month break, I've found that DC is lacking on a competitive scale guild wise. Compared to EP and AD. (it's hard to do this without really naming names). There are a couple of good guilds, but nothing on the level of one EP ,and one AD guild in particular.

The one AD guild only plays about 3 days a week in force. The EP guild varys, but when they're on, they like to farm inside the other factions' home keeps. (no words describe that annoyance btw). However, when both these guilds are on, it's almost certain DC will be pushed back to Tri-keeps, and sometimes lose scrolls as well. Scrolls don't mean much atm, but if this continues into Summerset, it will become quite a dire situation due to scrolls earning 10 pts each. (from what I hear on PTS).

I understand we're still in second place, but the gap between all 3 factions this month is way larger than I've ever seen. What we see now is how it will end up. EP,DC,AD. there is no miracle or numerical way for DC or AD to change current position with the time that's left.

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once. Some of what I'm implying here is our own fault. Been plenty of times I've seen I.C. be fully blue, when we're pop locked and yet lack the forces to defend on 2 fronts. I can scream till I pass out, but that won't change anything regarding population in I.C.

So what this all boils down to is this. Do any guilds from EP or AD plan on making the switch/coming back to DC? You don't have to name your guild. You don't even need to say what faction your on. Just a yes or no etc.

why that guild left dc and others guilds left has nothing to do with balancing the campaign it has to do with a well hated guild and person on dc

Dreyloch · May 2018

chris211 wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So after about a month of being back to the game from a 6 month break, I've found that DC is lacking on a competitive scale guild wise. Compared to EP and AD. (it's hard to do this without really naming names). There are a couple of good guilds, but nothing on the level of one EP ,and one AD guild in particular.

The one AD guild only plays about 3 days a week in force. The EP guild varys, but when they're on, they like to farm inside the other factions' home keeps. (no words describe that annoyance btw). However, when both these guilds are on, it's almost certain DC will be pushed back to Tri-keeps, and sometimes lose scrolls as well. Scrolls don't mean much atm, but if this continues into Summerset, it will become quite a dire situation due to scrolls earning 10 pts each. (from what I hear on PTS).

I understand we're still in second place, but the gap between all 3 factions this month is way larger than I've ever seen. What we see now is how it will end up. EP,DC,AD. there is no miracle or numerical way for DC or AD to change current position with the time that's left.

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once. Some of what I'm implying here is our own fault. Been plenty of times I've seen I.C. be fully blue, when we're pop locked and yet lack the forces to defend on 2 fronts. I can scream till I pass out, but that won't change anything regarding population in I.C.

So what this all boils down to is this. Do any guilds from EP or AD plan on making the switch/coming back to DC? You don't have to name your guild. You don't even need to say what faction your on. Just a yes or no etc.

why that guild left dc and others guilds left has nothing to do with balancing the campaign it has to do with a well hated guild and person on dc

It wasn't me I swear! I been away from the game lol! But i think I know who your talking about and tbh, that guild hasen't been doing much if anything this campaign. Haven't even seen the initials come up in chat. (if I'm right idk)

Dreyloch · May 2018

I guess I'm trying to figure out if this current situation is going to continue, then I might be looking to make a change myself. I'm not currently in a guild so it'd just be me. But If I decide to leave DC (as I have been loyal through thick and thin since launch) then I wouldn't mind getting a head start before SS releases =/

Dreyloch · May 2018

Iskras wrote: »

They have players at all times, alias, they are locked 24 hours a day, I do not know what you're complaining about ...

I don't play during the day except on weekends, and I can assure you on the weekends it takes till 1pm cst to even get locked, while AD is about the same or later... EP is like eternally locked. I haven't seen them NOT locked since I came back, dosen't matter what time of day it is.

Iskras · May 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

Iskras wrote: »

They have players at all times, alias, they are locked 24 hours a day, I do not know what you're complaining about ...

I don't play during the day except on weekends, and I can assure you on the weekends it takes till 1pm cst to even get locked, while AD is about the same or later... EP is like eternally locked. I haven't seen them NOT locked since I came back, dosen't matter what time of day it is.

Populations are 'volatile', dynamic. But, it seems to me that DC is doing very well. Ep is stronger, more organized.

maxjapank · May 2018

Dreyloch wrote: »

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once.

There are currently 2 Oceanic guilds per faction that I see. I play with TKG, so this is just my observations on the guilds we often fight against. But the times they begin and end are different. And group size can vary from night to night. I suspect that some have planned guild nights, but it's definitely not every night.

AD - TKG and Queen's RAM.
DC - Vivace and Lost Samurai
EP - Wormhole and ZDM

DC has an Oceanic force. EP has an Oceanic force. AD has an Oceanic force. But just to put the time zone in perspective, this will often happen. I'm in Japan, by the way, so...

TKG (AD) logs in at 7:30 and plays till 10:30
Vavace (DC) logs in at 9:00 and plays till 11:00 or 12:00.
Wormhole (EP) logs in at 10:00 and plays till 12:00 or 1:00.

The times just don't match up perfectly. So there are periods when one faction has a more dominating presence. But more often that not, the numbers of players on every side are fairly even.

jimijac0me · May 2018

We’ve been doing our best to start stepping up in OC time, sometimes we have a good night, others are very tough but we have been slogging it out every night since the other guilds changed faction.

Fact is, besides 4-6 of us we have a different group almost every night. The nights we open to zone (group gets to 12 or so) we do well PvDooring for points and playing the map, but as a guild we don’t enjoy the lack of good fights. The nights we don’t open to zone and get 8 guildies we get pummeled by bigger EP groups wherever we go in their territory or the highly organised AD guilds if we try to get Ash back.

We are activly recruiting and picking up new members but again feilding a consistant group is a challenge until we grow some more.

We’re enjoying the challenge all in all and I feel we are getting better as a guild but it is certainly a challenge right now and feels pretty lonely for DC out there in our prime time!

Thats 24hr AvAvA though, there’s always the good times and the bad times! Chin up DC, it could be worse!

Iskras · May 2018

Well, in my second campaign, with a low toon, I was ranked seventh in Rank AD. I was 30 in rank among all factions with a giant score (AP). I made about 14 million AP. Now, I'm in the top 60, but with another character.

Alone I have already destabilized two factions at certain moments, sieging keeps or simply dismantling 'groups' Ep and DC. Strategy also involves the debate of ideas, convincing.

My joy is knowing that the two most important AD guilds - sometimes - ask me 'what to do'. Of course, they are from the Ocean Time Zone, they won the last AD campaign, inclusive.

My place is in the AD, where I certainly - see this topic like a exemple - as 'uncomfortable' (so to speak) 'opponents'.

Prince_of_all_Pugs · May 2018

Honestly man all the powerful DC play on SHOR, talk to them. Shor DC are a cut above VIVEC DC.

Dreyloch · May 2018

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I've been trying not to use names, but since this thread isn't locked yet...to answer your question...Nope. I dont think CN is running anymore. Not that I've seen. I see the guild tag here and there, but not formed up, and no one doing "CN" in chat for a group. Some of the prime time NA vivec guilds (while decent) either don't run more than like 12-16, or they don't run a majority of the week.
Anything else is just pugs slapped together for the sake of just being in a raid, and not optimized at all.
If I didn't have to work like a normal human being,. I'd try a shot at making a guild. It's just not possible for me. Forming a raid of strangers with little to no experience would be even more fustrating.

MaximillianDiE · May 2018

maxjapank wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once.

There are currently 2 Oceanic guilds per faction that I see. I play with TKG, so this is just my observations on the guilds we often fight against. But the times they begin and end are different. And group size can vary from night to night. I suspect that some have planned guild nights, but it's definitely not every night.

AD - TKG and Queen's RAM.
DC - Vivace and Lost Samurai
EP - Wormhole and ZDM

DC has an Oceanic force. EP has an Oceanic force. AD has an Oceanic force. But just to put the time zone in perspective, this will often happen. I'm in Japan, by the way, so...

TKG (AD) logs in at 7:30 and plays till 10:30
Vavace (DC) logs in at 9:00 and plays till 11:00 or 12:00.
Wormhole (EP) logs in at 10:00 and plays till 12:00 or 1:00.

The times just don't match up perfectly. So there are periods when one faction has a more dominating presence. But more often that not, the numbers of players on every side are fairly even.

Neither of those two DC guilds you list are up to TKG or ZDM by a long stretch. I'm not sure I have even seen Lost Samurai on during my relatively new 7-12ish pm AEST playtime. DC is simply dominated in Oceanic playtime as I beg to differ with your two guild conclusion as you've left Ni and Nocturnal off that list too for AD who are exponentially more organised and have the numbers and EP who's whole faction runs around in one huge blob (other than ZDM and Wormhole) mindlessly pushing to Ales and then turtling there. I don't blame you for needing a change of scenery in a game which has stayed static for way too long, but both TKG and Ni defecting to AD at the same time gutted Oceanic DC and left no real organised opposition in DC for those of you that still enjoy the larger scale stack on crown play style so what those two guilds did actually did shift the balance in Oceanic regardless of rights or wrongs.

Honestly though - this late in the life cycle of the dying pvp in this game I couldn't care less how you want to play your game, except that Its annoying getting all our keeps taken and getting pushed back to our inner 3 keeps as it makes for a much longer run to the bridge so makes me have to take part in the map game to try to cut down on the amount of horse simulator I have to play!

MaximillianDiE · May 2018

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Honestly man all the powerful DC play on SHOR, talk to them. Shor DC are a cut above VIVEC DC.

Shor is a ghost town during Oceanic . This game can only support one campaign off NA pimetime with Vivec dropping to 2 bars and sometimes below during Oceanic until the Asians come online later when it fills to capacity again. Most of the Oceanic's I now play with guest Shor during the daytime as Vivec is simply too laggy to be manageable with our already terrible ping.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2018

Elong · May 2018

chris211 wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

So after about a month of being back to the game from a 6 month break, I've found that DC is lacking on a competitive scale guild wise. Compared to EP and AD. (it's hard to do this without really naming names). There are a couple of good guilds, but nothing on the level of one EP ,and one AD guild in particular.

The one AD guild only plays about 3 days a week in force. The EP guild varys, but when they're on, they like to farm inside the other factions' home keeps. (no words describe that annoyance btw). However, when both these guilds are on, it's almost certain DC will be pushed back to Tri-keeps, and sometimes lose scrolls as well. Scrolls don't mean much atm, but if this continues into Summerset, it will become quite a dire situation due to scrolls earning 10 pts each. (from what I hear on PTS).

I understand we're still in second place, but the gap between all 3 factions this month is way larger than I've ever seen. What we see now is how it will end up. EP,DC,AD. there is no miracle or numerical way for DC or AD to change current position with the time that's left.

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once. Some of what I'm implying here is our own fault. Been plenty of times I've seen I.C. be fully blue, when we're pop locked and yet lack the forces to defend on 2 fronts. I can scream till I pass out, but that won't change anything regarding population in I.C.

So what this all boils down to is this. Do any guilds from EP or AD plan on making the switch/coming back to DC? You don't have to name your guild. You don't even need to say what faction your on. Just a yes or no etc.

why that guild left dc and others guilds left has nothing to do with balancing the campaign it has to do with a well hated guild and person on dc

This. It's only DC's fault.

maxjapank · May 2018

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

DC is desperately needing an oceanic guild as well. The one I knew of,switched to AD. I get that some guild leaders have this need to try and make things "Even" between the factions, but this time too many made that decision all at once.

There are currently 2 Oceanic guilds per faction that I see. I play with TKG, so this is just my observations on the guilds we often fight against. But the times they begin and end are different. And group size can vary from night to night. I suspect that some have planned guild nights, but it's definitely not every night.

AD - TKG and Queen's RAM.
DC - Vivace and Lost Samurai
EP - Wormhole and ZDM

DC has an Oceanic force. EP has an Oceanic force. AD has an Oceanic force. But just to put the time zone in perspective, this will often happen. I'm in Japan, by the way, so...

TKG (AD) logs in at 7:30 and plays till 10:30
Vavace (DC) logs in at 9:00 and plays till 11:00 or 12:00.
Wormhole (EP) logs in at 10:00 and plays till 12:00 or 1:00.

The times just don't match up perfectly. So there are periods when one faction has a more dominating presence. But more often that not, the numbers of players on every side are fairly even.

Neither of those two DC guilds you list are up to TKG or ZDM by a long stretch. I'm not sure I have even seen Lost Samurai on during my relatively new 7-12ish pm AEST playtime. DC is simply dominated in Oceanic playtime as I beg to differ with your two guild conclusion as you've left Ni and Nocturnal off that list too for AD who are exponentially more organised and have the numbers and EP who's whole faction runs around in one huge blob (other than ZDM and Wormhole) mindlessly pushing to Ales and then turtling there. I don't blame you for needing a change of scenery in a game which has stayed static for way too long, but both TKG and Ni defecting to AD at the same time gutted Oceanic DC and left no real organised opposition in DC for those of you that still enjoy the larger scale stack on crown play style so what those two guilds did actually did shift the balance in Oceanic regardless of rights or wrongs.

Honestly though - this late in the life cycle of the dying pvp in this game I couldn't care less how you want to play your game, except that Its annoying getting all our keeps taken and getting pushed back to our inner 3 keeps as it makes for a much longer run to the bridge so makes me have to take part in the map game to try to cut down on the amount of horse simulator I have to play!

I left off Ni (AD) because they play in a time period well before TKG gets on. They are more in the West Coast / NZ timezone. But regardless, they log off at least and hour or so before TKG starts up. And while I have heard reasons for why they switched to AD, they also changed to a time period where AD had absolutely zero guilds and organization. A time when AD was at one bar pop and getting mopped up by both DC and EP.

I think well of Nocturnal (AD). But for a while now, they haven't had very many on. They are recruiting. And I'm very supportive of them.

I think you underestimate Vivace (DC), Lost Samurai (DC), and Wormhole (EP). While I think we can defeat them, we definitely don't underestimate them. They are always getting better, and Wormhole gave us quite a fight last week on Saturday. Perhaps other DC and EP players don't know much about them. But as someone who fights against them night after night, I respect them.

You also cannot say that TKG (AD) and NI (AD) defected at the same time. TKG went to AD well before Ni came over. It's been a long time since TKG made the move. So long that I can't remember. But Ni only came over last campaign. And remember that Ni logs off well before TKG logs on. We do not fight at the same time. But when TKG went over, we had to. We would log onto a blue map and have nothing to do. Blue would be 3 bars pop and AD would have nothing. As a guild that looks to fight, there were no fights. It was boring as #$&%.

GlorphNoldorin · May 2018

With respect to you Elong, the fact that one guild has alienated a faction isnt the factions fault...it is that guilds fault. Notwithstanding this is the health of pvp in general.

If anyone as an EP is happy about the state of competition........I dont know what to say.

AD and DC are thousands of points behind. Whatever the problems DC has, AD has had them for a lot longer. None of which makes for a competitive server. While I would like DC to do better, it bothers me more that there is no real point to pvp as a whole and the only way people like to play now is to stack factions or farm pugs in near invincible ball groups.

Lucky28 · May 2018

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

With respect to you Elong, the fact that one guild has alienated a faction isnt the factions fault...it is that guilds fault. Notwithstanding this is the health of pvp in general.

If anyone as an EP is happy about the state of competition........I dont know what to say.

AD and DC are thousands of points behind. Whatever the problems DC has, AD has had them for a lot longer. None of which makes for a competitive server. While I would like DC to do better, it bothers me more that there is no real point to pvp as a whole and the only way people like to play now is to stack factions or farm pugs in near invincible ball groups.

Honestly this game is not really that competitive anymore. the competitive spirit has been dying bit by bit since Morrowind.

jimijac0me · May 2018

Lucky28 wrote: »

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

With respect to you Elong, the fact that one guild has alienated a faction isnt the factions fault...it is that guilds fault. Notwithstanding this is the health of pvp in general.

If anyone as an EP is happy about the state of competition........I dont know what to say.

AD and DC are thousands of points behind. Whatever the problems DC has, AD has had them for a lot longer. None of which makes for a competitive server. While I would like DC to do better, it bothers me more that there is no real point to pvp as a whole and the only way people like to play now is to stack factions or farm pugs in near invincible ball groups.

Honestly this game is not really that competitive anymore. the competitive spirit has been dying bit by bit since Morrowind.

I disagree, just as it get’s shoehorned more into roles it’s gotten stale

pcar944 · May 2018

Cyrodil died with 1 Tamriel

everyone is where the "organized" groups/guilds are

as far as map play is concerned, Cyrodil is dead

its all about PVP-door now

you can thank ZoS

barshemm · May 2018

GlorphNoldorin wrote: »

With respect to you Elong, the fact that one guild has alienated a faction isnt the factions fault...it is that guilds fault. Notwithstanding this is the health of pvp in general.

When the faction guild leaders start telling pugs they refuse to emp push because they don't like the person in top of the leader board, that's a faction problem. DC spends more time arguing with itself than it does getting things done.

It's been so refreshing sitting on ep and having a zone chat with people talking objectives. In my opinion EP is doing better because as a faction they work together, discussing and organizing multiple objectives in zone chat. DC usually has guilds doing their own thing or 1 guild that runs 3+ groups running around to find empty keeps to hit. Though the past couple days with a new person on the leader board they have been trying to push the map.

Not going to say it's all apples and sunshine but it's a lot better than what I saw on the other factions.

ZOS_JesC · May 2018

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GlorphNoldorin · May 2018

EP does better because they have many more guilds, some would say the best guilds; can and do stack their faction at most hours; have next to no opposition for large parts of the day; with a numerical advantage during off peak times often with an emp for upwards of 10 hours during these times.

DC's few guilds cant match that. AD has decent guilds but cant match the pop disparity across the day. I already see it, participation is dropping in DC, people from AD have been making threads about their concerns for some time.

Maybe it's just the swing and change of campaigns, maybe its just one more nail in a game that is on the way down the tube. Either way I dont think it is good for the health of pvp that one faction is so far ahead of the others.

I dont have any answers, just saying.

jimijac0me · May 2018

We honestly had far more fun tonight ignoring the map, thank you ep for your stupid ass lead ><

gabriebe · May 2018

Most competitive DCs play in Shor, because 'that' guild's monopolization of Vivec has made everyone either leave the campaign to have a swing at emp or leave DC altogether. It's not more complicated than that. Looks like they're on a hiatus though, so who knows what's next.

Kartalin · May 2018

gabriebe wrote: »

Most competitive DCs play in Shor, because 'that' guild's monopolization of Vivec has made everyone either leave the campaign to have a swing at emp or leave DC altogether. It's not more complicated than that. Looks like they're on a hiatus though, so who knows what's next.

Everyone should know that this same guild would purposefully log on post-prime time when they played in Sotha Sil, cap the map and emp (trading emp among their members in the process), generate huge scoring while other factions slept and spend off hours farming opponents at or inside their gates. No wonder Sotha is the emp-trading shambles it is now.

Also pro-tip from Sotha thread veterans, don’t mention the guild or any members by name or they’ll report your post and the ZOS forum mods/bots will remove your post without a second thought. Possibly not a first thought.