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Lets put this behind us

Zeromaz
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Too many times I hear people say things about imbalances in the game. We need to realign our perspectives better instead of lashing out at each other’s classes or playstyles. I read posts along the lines of “stamina over performing”, “nerf shields”, “why does he have that and i don’t?”.....

Each class is supposed to have an identity of its own. Otherwise, what is the purpose of picking a class? Lets take a look at what seperates classes and specs from each other and instead of pointing the finger and yelling for ZOS to nerf that, buff this, or i want my class to have that too or its not fair... we can talk about what they give up in order to keep that identity

Magicka sorcs - i hear people complain about their bubbles. Burst damage. Streak’s mobility. While it would be nice for YOUR class to have all of this, yours doesn’t and shouldn’t. That burst damage is there for a reason. While you’re beating on a sorc, he’s having to spam bubbles to stay alive. This creates small windows for them to get damage out, which is where the purpose of this burst stems from. Otherwise, in a sorc’s case, the tide would be impossible to turn.

Stam nightblades - they’re everywhere and cloak should be nerfed, right? Well don’t get upset because a nightblade gets away from you and you couldn’t secure the kill. Stam NBs are squishy and instead of heals, they get dodge rolls, upfront damage, and defile quite often. Why is this? Most stam NBs will open with as much damage as possible because they are on borrowed time. Its difficult to be a brawler. So they’re given the damage to tag someone and the ability to evade. Cloak is a pretty *** ability too if you ask me. Potion up to make someone’s ability worthless. Let me know when i can drink a potion to disable all sorcs from streaking and dawnbreaker’s from connecting

Stam vs magicka - magicka can’t dodge roll like stam so it should get nerfed, and stamina needs a bubble too? Well... lets all stop getting angry at each other and look at WHY it is the way it is, and what we give up in exchange for these unique playstyles. How difficult would it be to kill a healer that bubbles, dodge rolls, evades, cloaks, streaks, etc? Would magicka players give up their bubbles and wards to dodge roll? Would stam give up the ability to CC break more and dodge roll for a bubble?

I don’t want to drag this along, but i hope you see the point. Keep things unique or we will all be running the same abilities, sets, and playstyle... more so than we do now. Anyone else see other things unique about specific classes, roles, playstyles?

Thanks. I just had to get that out. I’m tired of people pointing at each other and acting entitled to that other class’ abilities or whathaveyou.
  • DoctorESO
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    Zeromaz wrote: »
    Too many times I hear people say things about imbalances in the game. We need to realign our perspectives better instead of lashing out at each other’s classes or playstyles. I read posts along the lines of “stamina over performing”, “nerf shields”, “why does he have that and i don’t?”.....

    Each class is supposed to have an identity of its own. Otherwise, what is the purpose of picking a class? Lets take a look at what seperates classes and specs from each other and instead of pointing the finger and yelling for ZOS to nerf that, buff this, or i want my class to have that too or its not fair... we can talk about what they give up in order to keep that identity

    Magicka sorcs - i hear people complain about their bubbles. Burst damage. Streak’s mobility. While it would be nice for YOUR class to have all of this, yours doesn’t and shouldn’t. That burst damage is there for a reason. While you’re beating on a sorc, he’s having to spam bubbles to stay alive. This creates small windows for them to get damage out, which is where the purpose of this burst stems from. Otherwise, in a sorc’s case, the tide would be impossible to turn.

    Stam nightblades - they’re everywhere and cloak should be nerfed, right? Well don’t get upset because a nightblade gets away from you and you couldn’t secure the kill. Stam NBs are squishy and instead of heals, they get dodge rolls, upfront damage, and defile quite often. Why is this? Most stam NBs will open with as much damage as possible because they are on borrowed time. Its difficult to be a brawler. So they’re given the damage to tag someone and the ability to evade. Cloak is a pretty *** ability too if you ask me. Potion up to make someone’s ability worthless. Let me know when i can drink a potion to disable all sorcs from streaking and dawnbreaker’s from connecting

    Stam vs magicka - magicka can’t dodge roll like stam so it should get nerfed, and stamina needs a bubble too? Well... lets all stop getting angry at each other and look at WHY it is the way it is, and what we give up in exchange for these unique playstyles. How difficult would it be to kill a healer that bubbles, dodge rolls, evades, cloaks, streaks, etc? Would magicka players give up their bubbles and wards to dodge roll? Would stam give up the ability to CC break more and dodge roll for a bubble?

    I don’t want to drag this along, but i hope you see the point. Keep things unique or we will all be running the same abilities, sets, and playstyle... more so than we do now. Anyone else see other things unique about specific classes, roles, playstyles?

    Thanks. I just had to get that out. I’m tired of people pointing at each other and acting entitled to that other class’ abilities or whathaveyou.

    This a hot button topic. What people should remember and try their darnedest to do is debate the issues and refrain from personal and ad hominem attacks.
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    Its a matter of perspective, or lack of it. Its been too much of “me me me” instead of WE, like it should be. Your mag templar might have issues with a stam sorc, but on the flipside... that stam sorc has issues that the mag templar doesn’t have to worry about.
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    Still even though balance is hard, must say they do a better job then guys with Earth game. I hear that game has worst reviews. Game is nearly 100% pay to win with outdated graphics. Moda are punished by guards who take even clothes off your back not just sloten stuff. People never seen face of dev though rumours of gamemasters start Wars. Race and gender choices may limit gameplay options depending on starting zone. Hostile takeover from Rosy B. I don't if you ever worry about balance try this game. :D
    Edited by Tasear on May 10, 2018 1:02AM
  • huschdeguddzje
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    A lot of the imbalance and complaints arise from the fact that pve and pvp are not separately balanced. One set might just be viable in pve but overpowered in pvp. Pvp and pve are hindering each other
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  • VaranisArano
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    Balance in PVP is a matter of rock, paper, scissors. In the hands of skilled players, every build is the counter to another build and has its own counter.

    In PVE, everyone can complete all the content. Its just a matter of who is optimal at each role. So we see a constant shift as every class gets a turn in the limelight at different roles, but also classes complaining when its not their turn or they feel left out.
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    Come on down, @Rohamad_Ali!

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  • Tasear
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    Dear dps,

    Try being a non dk tank or non templar healer. You guys have it easy.

    :p
  • Zeromaz
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    Yes... the pvp/pve balance does make it difficult but i feel ZOS is doing a good job lately. The only thing that urks me are all bugs still left in the game.

    The rock, paper, scissor comment is acurate to some degree. I feel a lot of this has to do with streamers and youtubers all coming out with the same builds, coincidently around the same timeframe of each other. If X and X both say that a warden should run these sets and these abilities....

    I understand not everyone enjoys theorycrafting, has the time to test, or the gold to invest... but lets face it. Majority of people will be cookie cutters of a build they saw online. It makes it easy to build my paper to destroy that rock, when every rock plays the same game
  • Zeromaz
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Dear dps,

    Try being a non dk tank or non templar healer. You guys have it easy.

    :p

    I got you covered. Talk to Gunzork le Colosse. That man is the pinacle of DK. He’s a light armor dps DK that rages hard AF
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    we were led here.
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