Why no wands?

seipher09 · May 2018

With summerset I was really hoping to get 1 handed wands to go with a shield pretty bad. I don't like being magic with no choice but a staff. Stamina has options of 2h weapons, dual wield, sword and shield. All we have as magic is.....staff. I get bored carrying around nothing but a staff all the time. We have fire and lightning and healing and ice sure but at the end it's still just a staff!

Wands would be so cool to mix in with a shield for defense and having cool offensive close range magic skills. I wish this would become a thing.

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

Because the wand chooses the wizard.

Apparently no wizards here got chosen.

Glenmorils · May 2018

It's TES.

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

Glenmorils wrote: »

It's TES.

What does that have to do with it?

There's a wand in ESO even.

Azuramoonstar · May 2018

seipher09 wrote: »

With summerset I was really hoping to get 1 handed wands to go with a shield pretty bad. I don't like being magic with no choice but a staff. Stamina has options of 2h weapons, dual wield, sword and shield. All we have as magic is.....staff. I get bored carrying around nothing but a staff all the time. We have fire and lightning and healing and ice sure but at the end it's still just a staff!

Wands would be so cool to mix in with a shield for defense and having cool offensive close range magic skills. I wish this would become a thing.

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

Most MMO don't like wands due to the balancing nightmare they are. ff14 had wands, but stop adding them after the first expansion due to the balancing nightmare and inventory bloat it caused.

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

Azuramoonstar · May 2018

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

a pick up item you can steal/find does not count. Good try though. I was talking about the elder scrolls games in there entirety, not just ESO wands have never been a use able weapon type in any TES, mages use staves.

thanks for cherry picking my post lol.

Should read the rest of my post, rather then do a poor photoshop jobs using 1 pick up items as a basis for argument.

Graydon · May 2018

Wands are for fairies.

idk · May 2018

Phage wrote: »

Glenmorils wrote: »

It's TES.

What does that have to do with it?

There's a wand in ESO even.

It’s realky quite simple. That’s a gnarled wand. Not very useful.

The real question is why a wand? There isn’t a wand and shield line. There is already a magika tanking line and you haven’t provided reasoning or justification for a second magika based tanking weapon.

That’s why no wand. Just saying you want one isn’t really a reason.

AlienatedGoat · May 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

a pick up item you can steal/find does not count. Good try though. I was talking about the elder scrolls games in there entirety, not just ESO wands have never been a use able weapon type in any TES, mages use staves.

thanks for cherry picking my post lol.

Should read the rest of my post, rather then do a poor photoshop jobs using 1 pick up items as a basis for argument.

Uh, was a joke.

You sure got triggered though.

driosketch · May 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

a pick up item you can steal/find does not count. Good try though. I was talking about the elder scrolls games in there entirety, not just ESO wands have never been a use able weapon type in any TES, mages use staves.

thanks for cherry picking my post lol.

Should read the rest of my post, rather then do a poor photoshop jobs using 1 pick up items as a basis for argument.

TES II: Daggerfall had wands, they were enchantable.
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Enchantment_Power

ESO also has a wand momento that launchs chickens.

Azuramoonstar · May 2018

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

a pick up item you can steal/find does not count. Good try though. I was talking about the elder scrolls games in there entirety, not just ESO wands have never been a use able weapon type in any TES, mages use staves.

thanks for cherry picking my post lol.

Should read the rest of my post, rather then do a poor photoshop jobs using 1 pick up items as a basis for argument.

Uh, was a joke.

You sure got triggered though.

I didn't get "triggered"(please look up what trigger is before using it just saying). And you made no indication it was a joke, no lol or anything. the pic was funny, but coulda done better at the photoshoping. Like no googley eyes on the goat? dam missed opportunity.

ps do better at jokes.

Azuramoonstar · May 2018

driosketch wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

a pick up item you can steal/find does not count. Good try though. I was talking about the elder scrolls games in there entirety, not just ESO wands have never been a use able weapon type in any TES, mages use staves.

thanks for cherry picking my post lol.

Should read the rest of my post, rather then do a poor photoshop jobs using 1 pick up items as a basis for argument.

TES II: Daggerfall had wands, they were enchantable.
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Enchantment_Power

ESO also has a wand momento that launchs chickens.

ahh ok. thanks for the correction

also where is that wand? i must have it XD

but the rest of my point still stands, wands+ shields are hard to balance and can cause item bloat. Most mmo i've seen with wands end up removing them.

case in point after TES2 they stop doing wands.

Enslaved · May 2018

Phage wrote: »

Glenmorils wrote: »

It's TES.

What does that have to do with it?

There's a wand in ESO even.

there you go. Use that one.

zaria · May 2018

How should you handle dual wield with wands?
Game has two handed, sword and shield, dual wield, desto staff and restro staff.
Can I use an shield and an resto wand? How about an ice staff?
Can I wield and wand and a sword or perhaps destro and resto wand.
Its already more combination of weapons than exist today.

datgladiatah · May 2018

I mean if you're going to go as far as "it's not in a TES game so we can't use it", why are we using staves for basic attacks? In any of the last 3 games, staves were used as a melee weapon or as an enchanted spell holder. They weren't used to basic attack at will. Hur dur why the change ZOS!?!?!

Probably because it wouldn't be fluid mmo weapon design

anyways

The biggest issue here is that you can't play a magicka DPS properly anymore without a staff. That's really lame for diversity. They should have clear advantages (like access to health shields over access to consistent dodging and breakouts), but sorcerers in TES never depended on staves to be powerful. It's not really fair that you can't play out the fantasy properly of being a powerful spellsword because you MUST be a staff wielder. There should be more benefits that allow magicka classes to use other weapons, like passives that improve basic attacks with magicka/spell damage, magicka morphs for underused weapon skill lines.

That's ideal though and it's 4 years in so I doubt they'd ever rework balance at that level

Aebaradath · May 2018

Because wands are stupid. This isn't Harry Pothead.

Enslaved · May 2018

zaria wrote: »

How should you handle dual wield with wands?
Game has two handed, sword and shield, dual wield, desto staff and restro staff.
Can I use an shield and an resto wand? How about an ice staff?
Can I wield and wand and a sword or perhaps destro and resto wand.
Its already more combination of weapons than exist today.

Easy. When an enemy attacks you you use wands to stab your own eyes, enemy take pity on you and leave. After that you can be Prophet 2.0

red_emu · May 2018

Wands would just be horrible. I think since Harry Potter movies and books, they have become sort of a black sheep of Fantasy, so even if they did exist before in ES lore or any other fantasy based game lore, developers try to avoid them as much as they can. If they did exist or are more or less an unusable loot, the explanation usually is that a wand in this context means a short or thinner staff or is simply the same thing as a staff.

At the end of the day, Harry Potter RP has no place in Elder Scrolls. And using a wand and a shield? That would just look silly! (I think I have seen it in Dragon's Dogma, but I'm not sure). Imagine coming across an enemy blocking with his magnificent shield and then he pulls out a twig! I mean, it could be a powerful twig and all but still. I'd just sheathe my weapon and die of laughter!

No wands. Please! Ever! Elder Scroll has staves and staves only!

I would much rather have spell equipped as a weapon, since in Elder Scrolls lore, a staff is not required for the magic users - it does make them more powerful.

Beardimus · May 2018

I'm with you in principle, I hate staves - but to be honest think of them as Wands!! Hence I've stuck with MagDW all this time, but its going to be hard to continue with after Summerset.

Unsure why they are nerfing magika weopon diversity.

I wouldn't want a 'wand' tho to be honest. A 1H and Rune or even 1H and gauntlet (i'm hoping the fire / shock / frost gauntlets in the data mined crown store are a new skill line - even if it just copied the Destro lines to a glove! - but I know that wishful thinking)

Comeon ZOS, at least buff DW damage post summerset - at best new skill line

Yzalirk · May 2018

There is nothing badass about a dainty stick, just saying...

krachall · May 2018

Because it’s Elder Staves Online. And about to become even more so.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · May 2018

A staff is a wand...to a giant.

They might add another magicka based weapon, but I don't have much faith in them hitting the tiny space they have made for themselves between useless and OP.

NordSwordnBoard · May 2018

Graydon wrote: »

Wands are for fairies.

I'm reading my son The Hobbit and Gandalf is described as using a wand. I assume Tolkien interchanges wand and staff. When Gandalf dual wields he uses sword and staff. Sword and wand? Lol

Teenagers, Disney, and stage magicians shouldn't ruin the word for the rest of us.

Rair.Kitani · May 2018

After all, we had new class (-skilllines) and a lot of other skill lines added. I think it's about time to add new weapons. On the other hand, they shot themselfes in the food by creating more than 60 different motifs. It'll be a huge pain to design so many different models for a new weapon. So my guess is no wands, no spears, polearms or anything. No new weapons ever. I find it sad though.
I'm not a huge fan of wands, but a bit more diversity for magicka weapons would be more than welcome. Like dual wield magic orbs or something. I still hope that the datamined gloves are at least a reskin for staves.

FakeFox · May 2018

Cause this isn't a teenage movie about a wizard school?

But for real, I think a magicka based one handed weapon would be nice. I would prefer some kind of summoned sword or a focus crystal over a wand. And on the point of "staff" or "wand", in German both translate to the same thing (Zauberstab). I guess that does a good job of showing how interchangeable they are.

Ling · May 2018

right guy has a wand with a orb ... maybe in "future"

CloneTrooper699 · May 2018

This isn't Hogwarts

driosketch · May 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

the elder scrolls games don't have wands.

a pick up item you can steal/find does not count. Good try though. I was talking about the elder scrolls games in there entirety, not just ESO wands have never been a use able weapon type in any TES, mages use staves.

thanks for cherry picking my post lol.

Should read the rest of my post, rather then do a poor photoshop jobs using 1 pick up items as a basis for argument.

TES II: Daggerfall had wands, they were enchantable.
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Enchantment_Power

ESO also has a wand momento that launchs chickens.

ahh ok. thanks for the correction

also where is that wand? i must have it XD

but the rest of my point still stands, wands+ shields are hard to balance and can cause item bloat. Most mmo i've seen with wands end up removing them.

case in point after TES2 they stop doing wands.

There is a quest in Deshaan, starts at the docks in Mournhold, and like most places where you find wands, takes you to a magic school.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · May 2018

Ling wrote: »

right guy has a wand with a orb ... maybe in "future"

That's the biggest wand I've ever seen. Maybe a scepter, but looks a bit too top heavy for me.

Beardimus · May 2018

^ image above, the Morrowind splash screens even the summerset marketing shots have the same 'orb' and 1H.

Sadly we hyped this pre Morrowind and it was confirmed no new skill line just marketing.

I live in 0.00001% hope those gauntlets are the answer but know it isn't. ZOS wants Wizards with wands not battle mages.