What would my BSW uptime be?

Exodium · May 2018

Hi guys,

The other day I randomly found the desirable BSW inferno staff. I wasn't even looking for it but knew I could put it to use. Anyways gilliamtherogue did a recent dps parse and showed that BSW paired with the new trial set (seroria?) makes for some really high dps, and zaan of course.

Problem is, he was using a VMA inferno staff on a magnb, whereas I only have a lightning VMA staff backbar and kind of want to avoid the grind.

His BSW uptime seemed pretty high on his magnb, so I want to know if it's possible to achieve a similar high uptime without the vma inferno backbar.

Or should I just forget the idea of running it on a magnb and run it on a class with more access to flame (dk?) to make up for not having the inferno vma.

Let me know! Thanks

Qbiken · May 2018

The highest possible uptime you can have on BSW is 66,7% (8 seconds uptime / 12 seconds cooldown). A gold-out BSW gives you 525 spell-damage when it procs.

Effective spell-damage gain:

525 x (8/12) = 350 spelldamage.

Now, since it the set will need sometime right after the cooldown has ended to proc again, you´ll never have the maximum uptime on BSW. So as you can see, the value isn´t that much higher than running Julianos. So at what point is it worthwhile running Julianos instead of BSW?

Julianos gives 299 spell-damage.
(x = uptime in % where BSW gives the same effective spell-damage as Julianos)
525 * X = 299
X = 299/525 ---> Roughly 57%

So if your uptime on BSW is at 57% or lower, you´re better running sets like Julianos.
So if you don´t have vMA inferno on backbar, I wouldn´t use BSW since I suspect the uptime on BSW will be too low.

Septimus_Magna · May 2018

With BSW you want to use Blockade of Fire (casted from the back bar) and an infused fire staff on the front bar with fire enchant. This is generally considered the best setup for magblades so you dont really sacrifice anything to make BSW viable.

I wouldnt run Blockade of Shock so sadly you wont be able to use your current vMA staff.

With Summeset 2h weapons will count as two set pieces so you have three gear options:

Option 1
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
Willpower (back bar staff)

Option 2
5x BSW
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
(either BSW or Siroria dual fire staves)

Option 3
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
vMA fire (back bar staff)

The first option would be the easiest to get, the second and third option will probably take a while to farm.

Exodium · May 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

With BSW you want to use Blockade of Fire (casted from the back bar) and an infused fire staff on the front bar with fire enchant. This is generally considered the best setup for magblades so you dont really sacrifice anything to make BSW viable.

I wouldnt run Blockade of Shock so sadly you wont be able to use your current vMA staff.

With Summeset 2h weapons will count as two set pieces so you have three gear options:

Option 1
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
Willpower (back bar staff)

Option 2
5x BSW
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
(either BSW or Siroria dual fire staves)

Option 3
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
vMA fire (back bar staff)

The first option would be the easiest to get, the second and third option will probably take a while to farm.

Option 3 is definitely the combo I'll go for. Gilliam's preliminary dps parse on Summerset showed that to be an insane combo with the highest possible spell damage.

Looks like its back to farming Vma lol

Septimus_Magna · May 2018

Exodium wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

With BSW you want to use Blockade of Fire (casted from the back bar) and an infused fire staff on the front bar with fire enchant. This is generally considered the best setup for magblades so you dont really sacrifice anything to make BSW viable.

I wouldnt run Blockade of Shock so sadly you wont be able to use your current vMA staff.

With Summeset 2h weapons will count as two set pieces so you have three gear options:

Option 1
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
Willpower (back bar staff)

Option 2
5x BSW
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
(either BSW or Siroria dual fire staves)

Option 3
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
vMA fire (back bar staff)

The first option would be the easiest to get, the second and third option will probably take a while to farm.

Option 3 is definitely the combo I'll go for. Gilliam's preliminary dps parse on Summerset showed that to be an insane combo with the highest possible spell damage.

Looks like its back to farming Vma lol

You can also run Acuity on the front bar and BSW on the body with Willpower/vMA staff on the back bar.
Currently 1x Kena but with Summerset that can be 2x Zaan.

I recon it will take a while to farm Siroria and vMA so that would be a good alternative setup.

Xuhora · May 2018

lovely maths @Qbiken

TheYKcid · May 2018

My inferno/inferno magDK, which does entirely fire damage, gets a maximum of 64% uptime on BSW.

Expect less on a magblade, since a substantial chunk of your rotation is magicka damage.

Granted, BSW increases your burning status uptime slightly, which could account for a few hundred DPS.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · May 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

With BSW you want to use Blockade of Fire (casted from the back bar) and an infused fire staff on the front bar with fire enchant. This is generally considered the best setup for magblades so you dont really sacrifice anything to make BSW viable.

I wouldnt run Blockade of Shock so sadly you wont be able to use your current vMA staff.

With Summeset 2h weapons will count as two set pieces so you have three gear options:

Option 1
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
Willpower (back bar staff)

Option 2
5x BSW
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
(either BSW or Siroria dual fire staves)

Option 3
5x BSW (front bar)
5x Siroria
2x Zaan
vMA fire (back bar staff)

The first option would be the easiest to get, the second and third option will probably take a while to farm.

Option 3 is definitely the combo I'll go for. Gilliam's preliminary dps parse on Summerset showed that to be an insane combo with the highest possible spell damage.

Looks like its back to farming Vma lol

You can also run Acuity on the front bar and BSW on the body with Willpower/vMA staff on the back bar.
Currently 1x Kena but with Summerset that can be 2x Zaan.

I recon it will take a while to farm Siroria and vMA so that would be a good alternative setup.

That is what I have been running in Cloudrest on the PTS. It's a nice DPS boost from live, that's for sure, even after the LA nerf. One thing to note, at least last week, the new trial on Vet (+0) was dropping perfected versions of the new sets. I think our group only saw purple jewelry and weapons, so to get perfect armor, you might need a +1 or something. Not sure on that. Hopefully will find out this evening.

kiLLahweSPe · May 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

The highest possible uptime you can have on BSW is 66,7% (8 seconds uptime / 12 seconds cooldown). A gold-out BSW gives you 525 spell-damage when it procs.

Effective spell-damage gain:

525 x (8/12) = 350 spelldamage.

Now, since it the set will need sometime right after the cooldown has ended to proc again, you´ll never have the maximum uptime on BSW. So as you can see, the value isn´t that much higher than running Julianos. So at what point is it worthwhile running Julianos instead of BSW?

Julianos gives 299 spell-damage.
(x = uptime in % where BSW gives the same effective spell-damage as Julianos)
525 * X = 299
X = 299/525 ---> Roughly 57%

So if your uptime on BSW is at 57% or lower, you´re better running sets like Julianos.
So if you don´t have vMA inferno on backbar, I wouldn´t use BSW since I suspect the uptime on BSW will be too low.

While the math checks out, the conclusion is wrong.

You basically need an uptime of 32,5% to be on par with Julianos. Everything above that uptime makes BSW superior to Julianos.

A lot of people forget about the 3-piece spelldamage bonus on BSW.

Waffennacht · May 2018

No matter what, I am very envious of you and your staff

Exodium · May 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

No matter what, I am very envious of you and your staff

Haha thanks but it's not as special as getting a sharpened one before the transmutation patch. I'm sure you could honestly get one now with a week of farming and just transmute it.

method__01 · May 2018

go normal version,when i was after BSW my magplar was parked there and every half our,i farmed
till finally got 2 inferno,3-4 lighting and all gear pieces
drop rate is 1 BSW for 4-5 pieces Embershield or Sunderflame

Raudgrani · May 2018

I'm on console, so I can't give much facts. But I feel I might have around the maximum uptime on BSW. The offensive skills I use are (might be wrong about morph name on some of these)

Front bar: Flame Lash, Stone Giant, Burning Embers
Back Bar: Drawn Essence, Empowering Chains, Burning Talons

I usually open up with some light attacks (flame staff with flame enchant), pull myself to enemies with chains, draw essence/talons - switch to FB, slap out some embers and stat lashing.

In the heat of battle, I might do like anything depending on what's happening. But on the above rotation, proc chance is like 100% for me as long as cooldown is met.

Exodium · May 2018

Raudgrani wrote: »

I'm on console, so I can't give much facts. But I feel I might have around the maximum uptime on BSW. The offensive skills I use are (might be wrong about morph name on some of these)

Front bar: Flame Lash, Stone Giant, Burning Embers
Back Bar: Drawn Essence, Empowering Chains, Burning Talons

I usually open up with some light attacks (flame staff with flame enchant), pull myself to enemies with chains, draw essence/talons - switch to FB, slap out some embers and stat lashing.

In the heat of battle, I might do like anything depending on what's happening. But on the above rotation, proc chance is like 100% for me as long as cooldown is met.

You don't have ele Blockade on your bar?

Septimus_Magna · May 2018

Has someone tested if dmg of dots gets reduced when the BSW buff runs out?

My BSW parses are significantly than my Julianos parses so I was wondering what the reason could be. My BSW up-time is usually around 62% so the difference should be pretty small in theory. Some people use nirnhoned weapon on the back bar to increase dot dmg which (I assume) remains active when you switch to the infused staff on the front bar.

Could the BSW buff remain active on dots even if the 8s proc duration is over?

kiLLahweSPe · May 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Has someone tested if dmg of dots gets reduced when the BSW buff runs out?

My BSW parses are significantly than my Julianos parses so I was wondering what the reason could be. My BSW up-time is usually around 62% so the difference should be pretty small in theory. Some people use nirnhoned weapon on the back bar to increase dot dmg which (I assume) remains active when you switch to the infused staff on the front bar.

Could the BSW buff remain active on dots even if the 8s proc duration is over?

Iam not sure which dot is taking a snapshot and which is dynamic, but its certainly possible if the dot takes a snapshot of your spelldamage. It will tick for the whole duration with the BSW values.

Qbiken · May 2018

kiLLahweSPe wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

The highest possible uptime you can have on BSW is 66,7% (8 seconds uptime / 12 seconds cooldown). A gold-out BSW gives you 525 spell-damage when it procs.

Effective spell-damage gain:

525 x (8/12) = 350 spelldamage.

Now, since it the set will need sometime right after the cooldown has ended to proc again, you´ll never have the maximum uptime on BSW. So as you can see, the value isn´t that much higher than running Julianos. So at what point is it worthwhile running Julianos instead of BSW?

Julianos gives 299 spell-damage.
(x = uptime in % where BSW gives the same effective spell-damage as Julianos)
525 * X = 299
X = 299/525 ---> Roughly 57%

So if your uptime on BSW is at 57% or lower, you´re better running sets like Julianos.
So if you don´t have vMA inferno on backbar, I wouldn´t use BSW since I suspect the uptime on BSW will be too low.

While the math checks out, the conclusion is wrong.

You basically need an uptime of 32,5% to be on par with Julianos. Everything above that uptime makes BSW superior to Julianos.

A lot of people forget about the 3-piece spelldamage bonus on BSW.

Ohh ye......