Inspect option

Loves_guars · April 2018

The other day I ran a vet dungeon and one of our DPS was constantly harassing our healer because apparently he was using a pvp set. The healer was healing perfectly fine though, but the DPS kept pestering thoughout all the run.

I don't know how he knew but that's just being a jerk and since the healer was doing his job, in a basic easy dungeon, I don't think is anyone's business what he was wearing.

I'd hate this option simply due to player's behaviors like these.

Gilvoth · April 2018

personal me?
in morrowind i used to kill people just to see what that character was wearing and then reload to a previous save game, code it ingame and wear it unless i didnt like that person that was wearing it.

in that case i do kill him for that clothing and bury thier corpse and im good.

and ofcourse now I look fashionable, and he is removed, so there is no threat that others can take the look I clearly deserve.

terrannova · April 2018

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

The other day I ran a vet dungeon and one of our DPS was constantly harassing our healer because apparently he was using a pvp set. The healer was healing perfectly fine though, but the DPS kept pestering thoughout all the run.

I don't know how he knew but that's just being a jerk and since the healer was doing his job, in a basic easy dungeon, I don't think is anyone's business what he was wearing.

I'd hate this option simply due to player's behaviors like these.

yea i can see that happening if this feature was implemented. shame it can lead to this

Gilvoth · April 2018

another forum poster wrote:

personal me?
in morrowind i used to kill people just to see what that character was wearing and then reload to a previous save game, code it ingame and wear it unless i didnt like that person that was wearing it.

in that case i do kill him for that clothing and bury thier corpse and im good.

and ofcourse now I look fashionable, and he is removed, so there is no threat that others can take the look I clearly deserve.

that is exceptional and something i myself would do. i like the way you think!

many times Fashion can become something everyone wants to have for themselves, and if another person is wearing or looking the same way it can be quite Bothersome annoying and Distasteful.

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jedtb16_ESO · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

it leads to problems, and shaming people that aren't wearing what You think they should be wearing in armor and weapons.
it is rude and intruding, i hope it never happens.

i can see this happening after a long time yes. its a shame it can lead to this. i thought of it as a helping tool for newer players and even casuals to look up to whats good and how its performing live, even what is good looking and for example how the worm cult motifs actually look like in game(even if there are videos showcasing it i know)

Well, as is so often said around here: Talk to them! Many, if not most, are happy to discuss this sort of thing provided you don't ask in mid-battle or something silly like that. Yeah, there will be some who don't care to discuss it but people like to brag and talk about themselves. Human nature.

well my main issue was that if somebody is actually interested and open to tell me what he is using ,he also wouldnt mind me just checking it out without him even noticing. Also i cant always ask somebody about it, he might even be busy,afk ,or for some reason that has happened to me before the person answering with only 1 word. I cant keep chasing people or begging them to tell me what motif their chest is.
Also people misunderstood my motives. I dont meant it to be used mainly for gear, but for the so many different motif styles that are out there. But yea most of the comments here are bound to happen and i agree that this is a bad idea after all

these two things are not the same. if you ask me politely, sure. but you go sneaking behind my back? no.

DeadlyPhoenix · April 2018

I think that most people would actually be ok with an inspect feature but only under the condition that it has to be allowed by the person you're inspecting.

On the other hand though groups will just say if you dont let them inspect you then you're kicked and such. However they can pretty much do the same with linking the items now.

So basically any argument is countered by the other. We already have it and we don't at the same time. So why not, but again, only if it's allowed by the party being inspected.

What I would appreciate isn't a gear inspect though but rather a CP and Hotbar skills inspect. These areas are where a lot of people mess up. It would be beneficial just from a teaching standpoint. Whether you're the one learning or teaching.

Reverb · April 2018

Which is exactly my point

you asked him. You didn’t take it upon yourself to inspect him. That’s what it is in game as well, and should continue to be.

I know I sound harsh on the matter, and I truly believe OP had good intentions with the suggestion, but it gets abused in most games, and becomes a tool to be exclusionary towards new or casual players.

Or it just becomes a barrier to game play. I remember in other games it taking longer to complete the pre-raid inspection and pi$$ing contest than it did to actually run the raids. Let's not to that to ESO.

Competitive, end game ESO guilds have conversations and requirements for gearing and loadouts. If you're in one of those groups, your build, and every one else's will be open and transparent. If you're not competing at that level, people's gear just doesn't matter enough to introduce that level of judgement into pugs.

Syncronaut · April 2018

Personaly i hope they never add it. When they added it to wow community it got toxic pretty quick.

Usual it was like this: Lulz dude your gear is *** -- me .. Its a alt -- the other guy -- Noob

I ended up using anti-inspect addon.

Mureel · April 2018

Turelus wrote: »

As others have said it's come up before and it's a split on those who would like it and those who don't.

In organised guilds etc. it doesn't have much use because you can just ask and discuss sets etc, looks are not based on gear (mostly via outfit system now) so seeing what gear someone has for looks doesn't work.

If the system was added all I think it would achieve is giving the "think they are good" elitists more reasons to annoy people who don't match their standards in PUG's.

I personally wouldn't mind because idc about it.

I can see how being booted from finder groups over gear would be a bad thing. If you're that concerned, don't use the finder. I personally like pugging to test my mettle- because I can learn my role (l2tank right now!) and no one will kill me for that!

That said:
Any competitive guild is gonna get you to post a superstar or else ask what you're using and even more; will make you switch what you're using if need be.

As for how my chars look; I wouldn't mind anyone knowing and I cannot count the times I've checked my char or since outfitting, run to a station and whispered back what I have on. I'm happy to beautify tamriel because my characters look amazing

So if it was about looks- why not?

If it's about gear maybe naw unless opt-in.

Gilvoth · April 2018

in addition:

i have to constantly be requested sit down and explain to this person a long and drawn out explanation about where to find said clothing and how to start the quest and where that zone is and even help i]the being / creature / a person of a specified kind, typically one viewed with pity, / fellow · individual · character · wretch · beggar · soul · person · personage · human being · human · devil · customer · sort · type[/i to complete the quest to get certain item or clothing ?

i think Not!

DeadlyPhoenix · April 2018

To those that use the elitism excuse and being kicked from dungeons..... If they wanted to do that they already can make you link your gear. Having it send a request to them makes it easier to inspect the player if they accept, just like group, guild, trade invites.

Main point is that people can already request that you link your gear or are kicked or simply not even invited to the group to begin with.

For trials people really only care about "how fast can you kill a target dummy" and what your dps is.

Sekero · April 2018

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

in addition:

i have to constantly be requested sit down and explain to this person a long and drawn out explanation about where to find said clothing and how to start the quest and where that zone is and even help i]the being / creature / a person of a specified kind, typically one viewed with pity, / fellow · individual · character · wretch · beggar · soul · person · personage · human being · human · devil · customer · sort · type[/i to complete the quest to get certain item or clothing ?

i think Not!

ROFL How very English! You get an Awesome for that

terrannova · April 2018

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

The other day I ran a vet dungeon and one of our DPS was constantly harassing our healer because apparently he was using a pvp set. The healer was healing perfectly fine though, but the DPS kept pestering thoughout all the run.

I don't know how he knew but that's just being a jerk and since the healer was doing his job, in a basic easy dungeon, I don't think is anyone's business what he was wearing.

I'd hate this option simply due to player's behaviors like these.

yea i can see that happening if this feature was implemented. shame it can lead to this

Reverb wrote: »

Which is exactly my point you asked him. You didn’t take it upon yourself to inspect him. That’s what it is in game as well, and should continue to be.

I know I sound harsh on the matter, and I truly believe OP had good intentions with the suggestion, but it gets abused in most games, and becomes a tool to be exclusionary towards new or casual players.

Or it just becomes a barrier to game play. I remember in other games it taking longer to complete the pre-raid inspection and pi$$ing contest than it did to actually run the raids. Let's not to that to ESO.

Competitive, end game ESO guilds have conversations and requirements for gearing and loadouts. If you're in one of those groups, your build, and every one else's will be open and transparent. If you're not competing at that level, people's gear just doesn't matter enough to introduce that level of judgement into pugs.

well THANK you, its like everyone here judges me and thinking i was about to use it on critising people when in dungeons or something.

My main concer honestly was to check what people wear with the one thousend motifs that exist. This [snip] gets so custom that there are so many different styles and people combine them with such excellence and i dont even know what they are. I also would use it for sure to inspect huge people in pvp. I would love to know what gear the emperor is using. But i can absolutely see the harm in all of that. It would build bad habbits afterall, i can also include myself making those nasty habits, i dont deny.

I have regreted since the 4th comment my action to create this post

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exeeter702 · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

Unfortunately it doesnt work that way.. those that dont "opt in" will by default be assumed that their gear is underpar.

exeeter702 · April 2018

Honestly... my where i come from in all my years of playing in this genre, i am very much against forcing safe places, and sheltering players and telling them its ok to remain in their personal bubble as long as they are happy. Own up to what you have, and be judged by your peers. Let it motivate you and stop trying to sneak by in a vet dlc dungeon with greens and blues erc etc. Its not about having an elitist mindset. Its about making sure players are accountable and critical information is available. Its about being a brand new player, proud of squandering in trash gear and inspecting that bad as max level guy and seeing how godlike his gear is.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but i cant help it, its what 20 years of mmo gaming has done to me. I will not change my opinion on this subject.

Gilvoth · April 2018

not at all.
this was entertaining and needs to be posted from time to time to keep this knowledge fresh in the communities thoughts and knowledge base.

you have done nothing wrong ...

er well maybe you are wrong for being intelligent enough to ask questions .. that is its own reward that as we can see here being knowledgeable and intelligent is not always tasteful because of what it sometimes leads to.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

Unfortunately it doesnt work that way.. those that dont "opt in" will by default be assumed that their gear is underpar.

And then it would be their loss (the gropers

) for making assumptions. I've seen the results of having an /inspect, lived with them and I do NOT want that as a "given" in this game. For those for whom this stuff is important? Turn on the option to let others inspect them. I still don't like the whole thing for reasons already outlined up-thread but compromises sometimes need to be made although I'm not seeing a whole lot of support for this.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

Honestly... my where i come from in all my years of playing in this genre, i am very much against forcing safe places, and sheltering players and telling them its ok to remain in their personal bubble as long as they are happy. Own up to what you have, and be judged by your peers. Let it motivate you and stop trying to sneak by in a vet dlc dungeon with greens and blues erc etc. Its not about having an elitist mindset. Its about making sure players are accountable and critical information is available. Its about being a brand new player, proud of squandering in trash gear and inspecting that bad as max level guy and seeing how godlike his gear is.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but i cant help it, its what 20 years of mmo gaming has done to me. I will not change my opinion on this subject.

That's fine if that's why a person plays the game. But there are a lot of folk who do not give a tinker's damn about that sort of thing. It's nothing to do with buzzwords like "safe places" or "sheltering" but rather more to do with not wanting to get involved in the whole "must have" population.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about how "god-like" someone else's gear is. Seriously. I play the game for reasons that rarely have anything to do with what I'm going think of (because my brain just hurled this at me) "gear-peen".

Make it an option if it much exist but remember not everyone is into that stuff.

Astrid · April 2018

No. I get some kinda sick joy when someone asks what I’m wearing.

exeeter702 · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

The other day I ran a vet dungeon and one of our DPS was constantly harassing our healer because apparently he was using a pvp set. The healer was healing perfectly fine though, but the DPS kept pestering thoughout all the run.

I don't know how he knew but that's just being a jerk and since the healer was doing his job, in a basic easy dungeon, I don't think is anyone's business what he was wearing.

I'd hate this option simply due to player's behaviors like these.

yea i can see that happening if this feature was implemented. shame it can lead to this

Its irrelevant since the *** in question has already made up his mind and being able to confirm doesnt matter.

On the contrary, ill let you in on a polar opposite scenario that absolutely can occur. There are in fact many players in this game that may not be entirely social, may not do the homework on getting a good idea onnehat sets are better suited for what roles etc etc and thus unwillingly are not playing to their potential. Having an inspection option who allow players who provide a bit of help. Again, opt in systems never work because automatically it creates a scenario where those that dont opt in are automatically assumed they are hiding something for a reason.

People are going to be pricks in an online game regardless.. trying to police that artificially by locking out systems like this accomplishes nothing. This is why players nowdays have much thinner skin.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

terrannova wrote: »

cecibergesnrb18_ESO wrote: »

The other day I ran a vet dungeon and one of our DPS was constantly harassing our healer because apparently he was using a pvp set. The healer was healing perfectly fine though, but the DPS kept pestering thoughout all the run.

I don't know how he knew but that's just being a jerk and since the healer was doing his job, in a basic easy dungeon, I don't think is anyone's business what he was wearing.

I'd hate this option simply due to player's behaviors like these.

yea i can see that happening if this feature was implemented. shame it can lead to this

Its irrelevant since the *** in question has already made up his mind and being able to confirm doesnt matter.

On the contrary, ill let you in on a polar opposite scenario that absolutely can occur. There are in fact many players in this game that may not be entirely social, may not do the homework on getting a good idea onnehat sets are better suited for what roles etc etc and thus unwillingly are not playing to their potential. Having an inspection option who allow players who provide a bit of help. Again, opt in systems never work because automatically it creates a scenario where those that dont opt in are automatically assumed they are hiding something for a reason.

People are going to be pricks in an online game regardless.. trying to police that artificially by locking out systems like this accomplishes nothing. This is why players nowdays have much thinner skin.

True, they are but that really is not a reason to try to force some players into an option that they aren't interested in, nor care about. My skin is plenty thick after years of CS/TS

If someone wants to assume I'm hiding something, their loss. If someone wants to know what motif I'm wearing, I'll be happy to discuss it with them. If someone has decided that if "I" don't have x gear or y weapon that I'm not worthy of joining them, well, they're at least partially right.

Option. Compromise.

DeadlyPhoenix · April 2018

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Taleof2Cities · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

^This.^

Mureel · April 2018

Astrid wrote: »

No. I get some kinda sick joy when someone asks what I’m wearing.

I'm all pink pantaloons! You?

AlienatedGoat · April 2018

Nope.

Kodrac · April 2018

Just ask.

Anti_Virus · April 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

Honestly... my where i come from in all my years of playing in this genre, i am very much against forcing safe places, and sheltering players and telling them its ok to remain in their personal bubble as long as they are happy. Own up to what you have, and be judged by your peers. Let it motivate you and stop trying to sneak by in a vet dlc dungeon with greens and blues erc etc. Its not about having an elitist mindset. Its about making sure players are accountable and critical information is available. Its about being a brand new player, proud of squandering in trash gear and inspecting that bad as max level guy and seeing how godlike his gear is.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but i cant help it, its what 20 years of mmo gaming has done to me. I will not change my opinion on this subject.

This.

Nestor · April 2018

Inspect serves no positive benefit to a game that offers a better alternative, which is just asking the other player.

And, even if you know their gear, do you know their rotation? Their skill load out? Their knowledge of the mechanics? The ability for that person to work in a group? If they can sustain for the long battle?

RebornV3x · April 2018

No no to the no no I absolutely hate inspect player stuff hated it in Destiny and every other game I don't want anyone knowing what sets I'm wearing unless they ask me if its an opt in I'm ok with it maybe if there was a bio page or maybe stats like max mag, max health would be ok tho

zaria · April 2018

terrannova wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Only if it's "opt-in".

If someone wants to know about what I'm wearing, they can ask.

This. Giving players the ability to inspect you will only fuel the more than abundant elitism plaguing group content. We need less of that not more.

the only downside i can see from it yes

You can always ask, note that skills is far more important than gear so an good player on an alt with fairly weak gear will still do very well.
Asking and he will tell you that the gear is not good it was just something who was cheap or he had in bank to outfit alt with.