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Can't decide between a StamDK or MagDk.

Celestier99
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Hi Guys, I have had the game for a while now and decided to roll a dragon knight my question is which is better a Stam Dk or mag dk. I intend to do both PvE(Mainly tanking and maybe dps sometimes) and PvP, which one would you say would be the best for both things Stam or Mag? Which one would has more sustain, more self heals? Thanks.
  • xbobx
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    well that messes things up.

    stamdk for tanking
    magdk for pvp

    so how about make both?
  • Revan1664
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    For PVP:

    I have been a magicka DK main for years, mostly PVP, and one of my favorite things about this class is the amount of variety that comes with it. Rarely are mDKs built the same way, the amount of combinations in skills, armor sets, and your weapon slots can all vary from build to build.

    Do i run a staff, or double sword n' board? Do i do a back bar restoration staff? what about duel wield? all kinds of viable builds can be implemented for a magicka DK. The amount of skill combinations I've done over the years are crazy. In my opinion, mDK is more fun because of this, in a PVP aspect. Not to sure for PVE.

    For stamina DK, in PVP, it seems like a struggling class unless you run a bleed build. not to say it can't succeed, there are lots of talented stamina DKs out there, it's just much harder to pull off then magicka DK i think. SDK also seems much more generic in my opinion. SDK builds seem to always rely on weapon skills. There are fewer options set/skill wise when compared to magicka right now as well, but that will definitely change this coming summer set patch.

    "Which one would has more sustain, more self heals?"

    In my opinion, sustain can be worked with on either class, and either class can sustain just as well. Magicka DK definitely has more self healing. The following list is all magicka based skills that are specific to dragon knights and that heal them.

    -Flame Lash
    -Burning Embers
    -Cauterize
    -Coagulating blood (superior to green dragon blood unless you are a tank based build)
    -inhale, both morphs
    -obsidian shard

    -Soon to be for magicka, shattering rocks and cinder storm morphs will also heal
    Edited by Revan1664 on April 27, 2018 8:04PM
  • N00BxV1
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    MagDK. Mine is capable of PVE dps or tank and PVP while using the same CP and attributes, all I have to do is swap gear and skills for different content. Although I’ve only tanked vet dungeons and normal trials on it so far, I’m sure vet trials would be ok too but may need some CP/attribute adjustments.

    Also I hear the MagDK may be in a better spot after Summerset releases. We shall see haha.
  • ak_pvp
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    Both MagDK will be better, by quite a bit. PvE gave some massive DK oriented meta buffs recently, with a little bit of nerve, PvP give little MagDK buffs recently, but StamDK was nerfed heavily.

    That is just how the wheel fell as of now. StamDK was better (pre morrow BIS for both, this and last patch top for DPS, this patch tied) for quite a while before that.

    Tanking is a hybrid role with high health and a slightly higher stam than mag, but focuses on mag recovery. Any race so it doesn't matter.

    From the looks of it. You'll want MDK. For PvP passive healing they have is top 3, sustain will be decent.
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  • MaxwellC
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    @Celestier99
    If you want to utilize more of your class abilities then I'd suggest playing a Mag DK.
    If you preform using swords and 2handed swords then go Stam DK.
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  • Shezzarrine
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    For tanking there is no such thing as mag or Stam DK, you will be a hybrid. That said you will want around 19k Stam and less Magicka but much more Magicka recovery. If you want to dps magDK next patch is insane, but has low survivability. StamDK is fun and easy to use for dps. PvP I can t tell you anything because I don't touch PvP.
  • Sabbathius
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    To piggyback on this, would Argonian be the best race choice for someone unsure whether they end up going magicka or stamina, PvE or PvP, tank or some other role? Or would Dunmer still be preferred?
    Edited by Sabbathius on April 27, 2018 10:40PM
  • FrancisCrawford
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    ak_pvp wrote: »

    Tanking is a hybrid role with high health and a slightly higher stam than mag, but focuses on mag recovery. Any race so it doesn't matter.

    Hmm.

    Wouldn't the worst race choices perhaps be ones with a pure damage-increase passive, such as Altmer or Dunmer, because that would be of little value in the tanking role?

  • ak_pvp
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    ak_pvp wrote: »

    Tanking is a hybrid role with high health and a slightly higher stam than mag, but focuses on mag recovery. Any race so it doesn't matter.

    Hmm.

    Wouldn't the worst race choices perhaps be ones with a pure damage-increase passive, such as Altmer or Dunmer, because that would be of little value in the tanking role?

    I suppose, but unlike DPS you don't have a power creep to keep up with. Keep boss and taunted and debuffed, keep dds buffed, some races might help you sustain and survive, but buffs in good groups are at 100% uptime and come from sets. A khajiit is one of the top tanks in game, and a dunmer can perform quite well.
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  • Savos_Saren
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    Word to the wise, though:

    If you're planning on running an mDK- you need to prepare for the current meta of defiles and bleeds. You may want to run shields or adjust your build that you can *hopefully* heal through stamina characters who run bleed builds.
    Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.

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  • Celestier99
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    Thanks everyone, based on your guys advice I decide to roll a dunmer mag dk since I do enjoy using class skills more than weapon skills and the survivability and heals will certainly help.
  • Bigevilpeter
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    Sabbathius wrote: »
    To piggyback on this, would Argonian be the best race choice for someone unsure whether they end up going magicka or stamina, PvE or PvP, tank or some other role? Or would Dunmer still be preferred?

    I did this with my warden and switch freely between both magika and stamina dps and even tank/healer. will lose a bit of dps, but at least I won't have any passive that is wasted
  • Wing
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    magicka DK purely for actually making use of the class

    stam DK is almost exclusively weapon, pvp, guild, etc skills, and by extension brings almost no DK "flavor" to playing stamina unlike every other class.

    magicka DK on the other hand makes great use of the class and its skills, as long as you enjoy the DK playstyle.
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  • Ragnarock41
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    make a dunmer/argonian magDK, it will be capable for everything you want. And these races have bonuses that are good for both mag and stam, so you can try the other one if you're bored of one.

    You can just change your gear to turn into a tank,dps, or a PvP beast. (magDK might not be a real beast, but they are strong atm, and they do look like a beast while fighting. MagDk has tons of abilities to choose from, to the point you can make a build entirely from class abilities. It has all the flavor you could ask for. MagDks have everything, but an execute.)

    stamDK is forced to use weapon skill/guild abilities, kind of similar to stamSorc, but Dk also lacks the beneficial passives stamsorc has, and instead has passives that are good for blocking and healing yourself, and comes with two poison dots that are mediocre at best. So if you want to be a tank in PvP, stamDk is ideal.. For literally any other job its a bad choice.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 28, 2018 11:50AM
  • Iziquiel
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    What weapons are recommended for a MagDK, both PvE and PvP? I'm thinking of starting a Mag class with Summerset and either a DK or Templar appeal but I'm not a huge fan on staves and so was thinking whether it's possible to go with one bar SnB and the second staves
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    StamDK has been awesome for a while, but MagDK is going to be getting a big damage boost starting with the Summerset patch, in about a month and a half. I'd go with MagDK. Starting with Summerset, you'll be able to put a full monster set on magicka characters (in addition to two 5-piece sets), which will amount to a lot more damage.
  • Ragnarock41
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    Iziquiel wrote: »
    What weapons are recommended for a MagDK, both PvE and PvP? I'm thinking of starting a Mag class with Summerset and either a DK or Templar appeal but I'm not a huge fan on staves and so was thinking whether it's possible to go with one bar SnB and the second staves

    you can do SnB/resto, or destro/resto. for pve obvious you need destro, not SnB. For PvP you can really use any weapon. You can even use a 2h sword with momentum, as crazy as it sounds.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 30, 2018 3:51AM
  • Priyasekarssk
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    Revan1664 wrote: »
    For PVP:

    I have been a magicka DK main for years, mostly PVP, and one of my favorite things about this class is the amount of variety that comes with it. Rarely are mDKs built the same way, the amount of combinations in skills, armor sets, and your weapon slots can all vary from build to build.

    Do i run a staff, or double sword n' board? Do i do a back bar restoration staff? what about duel wield? all kinds of viable builds can be implemented for a magicka DK. The amount of skill combinations I've done over the years are crazy. In my opinion, mDK is more fun because of this, in a PVP aspect. Not to sure for PVE.

    For stamina DK, in PVP, it seems like a struggling class unless you run a bleed build. not to say it can't succeed, there are lots of talented stamina DKs out there, it's just much harder to pull off then magicka DK i think. SDK also seems much more generic in my opinion. SDK builds seem to always rely on weapon skills. There are fewer options set/skill wise when compared to magicka right now as well, but that will definitely change this coming summer set patch.

    "Which one would has more sustain, more self heals?"

    In my opinion, sustain can be worked with on either class, and either class can sustain just as well. Magicka DK definitely has more self healing. The following list is all magicka based skills that are specific to dragon knights and that heal them.

    -Flame Lash
    -Burning Embers
    -Cauterize
    -Coagulating blood (superior to green dragon blood unless you are a tank based build)
    -inhale, both morphs
    -obsidian shard

    -Soon to be for magicka, shattering rocks and cinder storm morphs will also heal

    There is no variety magicka DK for PVP. Only 1 skill flame lash and learn how to abuse it. Just root & spam flame lash. ZOs made excellent balance with skill flame lash for magicka DKs. A ultra spammable skill with CC with good damage/off balance and provide healing as well. You can literally win PVP with only slotting 1 dps skill.

    A spammable CC with good damage and healing with extremely low cost . Only way to counter magicka DK is to use stamina 2H builds with CC immunity up all the time or NB bow builds and should stay away from DK melee range.
    Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 30, 2018 3:19PM
  • JWKe
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    Both effective range are melee range. I'd choose based off on race you pick.
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