ZOS please, change daily reset for horses and hirelings to avoid unnecessary re-logging to servers.

Auros · April 2018

The title pretty much says it all. The community asked in the past the 24 horse to be made flexible for daily logon, and ZOS listened - it is 20 hours now, so that we don't have to bother with the minute and the seconds! This was a wise decision and perfect QoL!

However, we still need to log all our alts once for the horse and crafting, and if we can not manage to sync both timers with the hirelings - a second time only for that. This is generating on average 20 logins per person only for this (crafting writs and daily tasks based on timers). Why not have it bound to the daily reset? This way - when a person logs an alt she/he can do everything necessary without the need to think about it anymore for the day.

I believe this will help prevent million server requests 24x7 and help mitigate the long loading screens we all experience, especially on events and prime-times. I am sure this is not the only reason, but one nice feature this game learns everyone of us is that every bit helps!

If I am tired or don't have time to log on - I will not. Forcing me to log on for one or another reason will not make me stay longer online ... because this is how long I can stay online.
I really don't see a real benefit from this.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,

Auros

Twenty0zTsunami · April 2018

ive been playing GTAO lately. I dont think you know what long load times are.

Vapirko · April 2018

As others have suggests you should be able to update your riding from the character login screen.

Auros · April 2018

That's a nice one! Still... if I want to craft the writs during the day, so that I go explore and gather surveys (if any) then I still have to log back once more for the hirelings. Not trying to troll here, but ... why?? why it is such a big issue? who will abuse it and for how long? .. whatevs..

Today I have logged on only my main, enjoying the game ... and 20.00 I have to start the relog ... so hopefully the writs and hirelings and the horse will sync and be available ... while you know, I am a human, maybe will be tired... but no! you have to log on ...

I prefer to be able to do the tasks related to 1 char when I want during that 24h. Don't see something not common for other mmos?
What if every repeatable had that logic then? a game of RL timers set to buzz?! Jeez... This is called flexibility and is a must when people have RL.

I play since launch ... with huuuge gaps ... one of the reasons is: I hate when a game becomes tedious. Not having the flexibility makes me feel pressed and the game tedious, even if it is something simple to do. I have to remember to do it ... like, Setting Buzz Online ...

RexyCat · April 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

As others have suggests you should be able to update your riding from the character login screen.

Give me an app on my phone where I can just feed my starving horse once a while and I will be happy as guar in Black Marsh.

Mureel · April 2018

Auros wrote: »

That's a nice one! Still... if I want to craft the writs during the day, so that I go explore and gather surveys (if any) then I still have to log back once more for the hirelings. Not trying to troll here, but ... why?? why it is such a big issue? who will abuse it and for how long? .. whatevs..

Today I have logged on only my main, enjoying the game ... and 20.00 I have to start the relog ... so hopefully the writs and hirelings and the horse will sync and be available ... while you know, I am a human, maybe will be tired... but no! you have to log on ...

I prefer to be able to do the tasks related to 1 char when I want during that 24h. Don't see something not common for other mmos?
What if every repeatable had that logic then? a game of RL timers set to buzz?! Jeez... This is called flexibility and is a must when people have RL.

I play since launch ... with huuuge gaps ... one of the reasons is: I hate when a game becomes tedious. Not having the flexibility makes me feel pressed and the game tedious, even if it is something simple to do. I have to remember to do it ... like, Setting Buzz Online ...

Well except you don't have to put all points in hirelings. I mean yeah it sucks of course I agree. At the same time though, you're choosing to be bent to that schedule. Just don't be.

Slick_007 · April 2018

you want to play? play. you dont want to play? dont login.
you cant get the perks of logging in and playing if you dont login and play. that includes training your mount and collecting mail.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

WTF are you talking about? Horses have been 20 hours for years now?

The hirelings thing isn't that big of a deal, honestly. Area you going to miss a few here and there? Sure.

Will it prevent you from being able to make anything on a character above level 20 or so? I doubt it.

Both take all of 30 seconds. At least you're not required to go meet your hireling at some random location each day (Remains-Silent, anyone?) or ride your horse around a course (no poem intended) to upgrade your skill.

Auros · April 2018

WTF? I am talking what I want to say! And read my post before putting nonsense in text.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

I did read your post & it's still ***.

If you can''t be bothered to login for whatever reason, it's hardly going to be gamebreaking.

You're going to miss a few mats, and horse training will take 180 days instead of 150.

Big. Frickin. Deal.

Log in ~once every 12 hours. One of those times, feed your horses. (Quick math: 12 + 12 < 20 )

TL;DR; Don't be lazy. It's not that hard.

Auros · April 2018

If I am playing since 10.00 today, I will not log on 20.00 to feed breed whatever ... and I believe I already wrote in clear text all I meant. If you are so happy to log on 1000 times it is up to you. This maybe / maybe not - mitigate server load etc. etc ...
Nothing to do with me being lazy...

Violynne · April 2018

Auros: The problem isn't the game. It's you and players like you, who have an incessant and uncontrollable desire to force yourself to log in to train a horse and/or collect goods.

Missing a day or two isn't critical. You don't "lose out" on anything.

Asking developers to change this system is a sign there are bigger issues to contend with.

If you feel you can't let go of this game for a day, it's time to seek help.

Auros · April 2018

Thank you for the advise, however it shows that you did not read correctly what I stated first: I play since launch ... with huuuge gaps ...

Second important line in my text: This is generating on average 20 logins per person only for this (crafting writs and daily tasks based on timers).

I am always open to constructive criticism, but can not put up with being judged, without taking time to mainline and understand my idea behind and advise on poor arguments. No thanks!

Violynne · April 2018

Auros wrote: »

Thank you for the advise, however it shows that you did not read correctly what I stated first: I play since launch ... with huuuge gaps ...

Huge gaps of not playing has nothing to do with what you're asking now.

Second important line in my text: This is generating on average 20 logins per person only for this (crafting writs and daily tasks based on timers).

No, it's not. Each player logs in one time. Just once. This takes us to the character selection screen. At this point, it's a server request, and no, they won't be diminished just because people are changing characters.

Selecting a character is no different than using a wayshrine.

I am always open to constructive criticism, but can not put up with being judged, without taking time to mainline and understand my idea behind and advise on poor arguments. No thanks!

Do you understand what constructive criticism is?

I'm not judging you. This is what you wrote:

Forcing me to log on for one or another reason will not make me stay longer online

Now stop one second and read this line. Understand what you wrote here.

If you believe I misinterpreted, then please correct it.

When I see a player use the word "force", it angers me because this game does not force its players to do anything.

Believing it does is why I recommend you seek help.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

So, how much network traffic do you think a login actually generates, since you're all about server load and optimization?

It could be counterargued that for every person that doesn't login at the exact time, it's producing zero network traffic. Since most don't set alarms for side benefits, the amount of traffic saved by not having these be automated likely outweighs the traffic generated when someone does actually log in to the game.

I'm curious to see the amount of data saved per player/character this way, though I'm not terribly confident in the numbers, considering I've yet to determine how you come up with 20 logins per day divided equally among three tasks.

(I'd be happy to do a capture, if you'd really like to know)

The "huuuge gaps" in your playtime is on you. Why should you benefit from not playing the game? Because that's what you're essentially asking for.

Also, the loading screens aren't about network transfer, in most cases. They're usually about giving you something pretty to look at while your personal game world finishes rendering to 80% or better behind the screen.

Tasear · April 2018

I mean he does make sense for performance update. But what about getting people to come back to game?

Auros · April 2018

Believing it does is why I recommend you seek help.

Please, don't advise on health issues here ok? This is out of scope. And I would like to hear from authorised personnel ZOS who can confirm/reject the server load while switching between characters. That's all! Seeking answers? Not judging others for who they are, recommending treatment whatsoever.... even don't intend to comment further on this!

Auros · April 2018

[quote="so, how much network traffic do you think a login actually generates[/quote]

Please, trust me! this concerns deeper IT issues here, not the network traffic. Requests made from servers internally. Yes they loadballance, yes they scale .... still!!! work is work... let's not dive into this. I am quite aware...

Katahdin · April 2018

You can sync horse feedings to the time you normally log in by feeding when you normally log in and do writs.

I did writs on 14 characters every day during the event and one of them had a horse that needed to be trained. I planned it out so that I fed the horse at the same time I did writs on that character. One login for that character for the day. Just one.

Auros · April 2018

I am completely not lazy, and ok with logging in 10000 times, however, believe this is wrong and could be improved by simple modification. Who and what will you loose?

Smokewood · April 2018

Auros wrote: »

The title pretty much says it all. The community asked in the past the 24 horse to be made flexible for daily logon, and ZOS listened - it is 20 hours now, so that we don't have to bother with the minute and the seconds! This was a wise decision and perfect QoL!

However, we still need to log all our alts once for the horse and crafting, and if we can not manage to sync both timers with the hirelings - a second time only for that. This is generating on average 20 logins per person only for this (crafting writs and daily tasks based on timers). Why not have it bound to the daily reset? This way - when a person logs an alt she/he can do everything necessary without the need to think about it anymore for the day.

I believe this will help prevent million server requests 24x7 and help mitigate the long loading screens we all experience, especially on events and prime-times. I am sure this is not the only reason, but one nice feature this game learns everyone of us is that every bit helps!

If I am tired or don't have time to log on - I will not. Forcing me to log on for one or another reason will not make me stay longer online ... because this is how long I can stay online.
I really don't see a real benefit from this.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,

Auros

lol
My god, I don't understand you people.
GO OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING!!

If you play this game so much that you need to know the exact moment that the timer restarts, you have serious issues and need to quit playing!

There are days I log in and could not care less if I go get that 1% extra speed on my horse, or miss a daily writ.. lol

Time to rethink what you do all day...

Auros · April 2018

Yeah, agree: but.... going outside will never give feedback to developers and improve this game. See, here I only try to help, while being bashed and advised, criticised ... etc. ... I am trying to help! Gandaaalf anyone?

Smokewood · April 2018

Auros wrote: »

Yeah, agree: but.... going outside will never give feedback to developers and improve this game. See, here I only try to help, while being bashed and advised, criticised ... etc. ... I am trying to help! Gandaaalf anyone?

You are not trying to help anyone but yourself...obviously.
And no, most people do NOT play 20 toons a day, or whatever you were implying.
I have 2 toons total, and i log in maybe once every 2 or 3 days....

Hokiewa · April 2018

RexyCat wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

As others have suggests you should be able to update your riding from the character login screen.

Give me an app on my phone where I can just feed my starving horse once a while and I will be happy as guar in Black Marsh.

This. A million times this.

Auros · April 2018

I have 9 toons and log them twice a day WHEN I play ...

Technical overview: when you travel between shrines, your character is not being "archived" just moves from zone to zone.

Every time you log with your character all his stats, CP, inventory, parameters and variables are being retrieved! Because when you log back off, you may log onto this character in 3 months. All the data does not have to sit there waiting, it is being housekeep-ed whatever the term is. etc. etc. many cycles and procedures. Please, I am NOT an expert on this platform, and this is why I shared what I think and would like a reply or at least bring attention. I am not demanding, I am sharing!

Merlin13KAGL · April 2018

Auros wrote: »

Yeah, agree: but.... going outside will never give feedback to developers and improve this game. See, here I only try to help, while being bashed and advised, criticised ... etc. ... I am trying to help! Gandaaalf anyone?

Here's the short version: What you're asking for requires a change, which requires Dev resources, testing, and can possibly introduce additional bugs as a result.

Current system is not broken. Therefore, it doesn't need to be fixed (potentially breaking other things in the process,ad infinitum)

There are 100's, if not 1000's, of things that Dev time would be better spent on.

Per your own replies. Log in when you're not tired. Don't when you are. Every 12 hours or so, your hirelings will be ready. Every 2nd login, or every 24, your horse and your hirelings will be ready.

This is a non-issue.

Auros · April 2018

Sure! First: let them decide! That is why I bother to write this on the forums. Feedback. That's all.
Second: to all concerned about my life, health etc.

thank you! I am really going out because I usually don't play 24x7 which is exactly why I won't bother will I login tonight or not ... so ... Have a nice afternoon!

AlnilamE · April 2018

OK. First things first:

Horse training/feeding has always been 20 hours.

There are advantages and disadvantages to having the timer change to a daily reset (say reset at the same time pledges reset). The biggest disadvantage being that you cannot "catch up" on the weekend by shifting your feeding/training to an earlier time.

As for hirelings, they probably should be put on a 10/20 hour schedule instead of a 12/24 exactly because logging in takes time and you end up getting your hirelings a bit later every time. But having them reset at a fixed time and leaving them on a 12/24 hour schedule could be doable, though it may mess up schedules for some people, so I think that would need to be discussed a bit more.

Violynne · April 2018

Auros wrote: »

Yeah, agree: but.... going outside will never give feedback to developers and improve this game. See, here I only try to help, while being bashed and advised, criticised ... etc. ... I am trying to help! Gandaaalf anyone?

I get what you're trying to do, but you don't seem to understand the underlying issue, instead pulling out the "I'm a victim" shield (which is pathetic).

Asking for phone apps or simpler ways to manage training/mail is just asking to circumvent having to log onto a character, regardless how many you have, and manage the microsystems.

Aka: get the rewards without doing the work.

That's what you're asking, and not too many people are going to stand behind this.

Log in, feed your horse, collect your mail, and repeat this for every character.

Oh, and just an FYI: the game caches your character information to reduce the server requests.

How do you think the game knows where your location is before you logged in with the character?

So please stop trying to defend your request behind "it saves the server".

POps75p · April 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

As others have suggests you should be able to update your riding from the character login screen.

that would be nice. plus they should take all that 20 hour stuff eg. daily 100k dungon and anything that is reqired by hours and make it daily. hell i have 15 players, how do i remember that one maxed out his stolen loot at 9am while another at 1pm, same goes for the 100k dungons. make it simple zos

Tyreal1974 · April 2018

Hokiewa wrote: »

RexyCat wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

As others have suggests you should be able to update your riding from the character login screen.

Give me an app on my phone where I can just feed my starving horse once a while and I will be happy as guar in Black Marsh.

This. A million times this.

I personally don't even care about the mail from hireling, I would just like a way to feed/train my mounts without having to log into each character once for like 10 seconds and the log out. Login in screen, phone app, prepaying the horse trainer, whatever, having an option to feed/train mounts without logging into each separate character would be a nice change in my opinion. How about making it a QoL feature, like craft bag, to an ESO Plus membership?