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Mag DK vs Stam DK tanking ?
Zordrage
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Trying to decide.... freaking love the class abilities but i hate staves lol....
i also heard Mag DKs have crazy sustain.....
sooo overall in the long run witch would be better ?
i also heard Mag DKs have crazy sustain.....
sooo overall in the long run witch would be better ?
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Your average meta-tank DK is a hybrid. You use stam for tanking and provide utility through magicka. You don't have to use a staff if you don't want to.Edited by Royaji on April 21, 2018 3:20PM2 -
Llaren_Uvayn✭✭✭You need stam to taunt, bash and break free, but mostly, you're going to be casting magicka spells, so I personally prefer to lean a bit more to the magicka side. If you run out of stam and need to taunt, you can always use Inner Fire.PS4 / EU
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Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
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No, mag tanking can be a thing. It's not the easiest thing to do, sometimes it's not too effective and in my opinion it's better on other classes.
You've said that you want to use class skills and dislike staves. That's exactly how an average DK tank works. Use your stam with sword and shield to taunt and block and use magicka for chains, talons, igneous, engulfing and so on.0 -
Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭
No, mag tanking can be a thing. It's not the easiest thing to do, sometimes it's not too effective and in my opinion it's better on other classes.
You've said that you want to use class skills and dislike staves. That's exactly how an average DK tank works. Use your stam with sword and shield to taunt and block and use magicka for chains, talons, igneous, engulfing and so on.
so its worth going half magica and half stam on it + Hibrid sets ?0 -
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No, mag tanking can be a thing. It's not the easiest thing to do, sometimes it's not too effective and in my opinion it's better on other classes.
You've said that you want to use class skills and dislike staves. That's exactly how an average DK tank works. Use your stam with sword and shield to taunt and block and use magicka for chains, talons, igneous, engulfing and so on.
so its worth going half magica and half stam on it + Hibrid sets ?
I think this website will help you the most.
https://woeler.eu
Should explain the basics.0 -
Raraaku✭✭✭✭Health is the big thing for tanks. As others have said, your going to be splitting your remaining attribute points between Magicka and Stamina. You can use food to buff one of the two to raise that stat as the maximum stat pool. That's usually stamina. I have also found that utilizing some other skills from Undaunted/Fighters guilds that are stamina based also help with magicka resource management. Balance from the Mages Guild also helps a lot since your health will be so high.
But yea, Tanks are the one weird exception to the rule in terms of stat dumping.Back from a much needed break. || I like having too many projects and working on them all at once.
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✭✭✭✭✭I did my dk tank with shield + fire staff, elf bane, seducer, grothdar, and max magicka / magicka recovery. Who needs a big stamina pool when you can literally get 990 stamina per second just from spamming igneous?PS4 / NA
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✭✭✭✭✭You don't regen stam when blocking with your shield. I run s&b on both bars of my DK tank, so shield blocking is the only blocking I do. As such, I go with a bigger stam pool but don't care about stam regen. Otoh, I go with a somewhat smaller mag pool but push mag regen hard.
For your basic very effective, common DK tank, think in terms of (on food) about 37K health, 22K stam, 20K mag (with good regen) and 2500 phys and mag resists. Some fine tuning you can do: By keeping your stam (or mag) pool slightly larger than the other pool, you determine which resource is favored when your helpful healer feeds you shards. Also remember that you can pick the stam or mag morph of the undaunted ranged taunt to suit your prefs and mag/stam situation.
My DK tank is pretty classic built and I consider them to be hybrid - not stam or mag.Edited by AcadianPaladin on April 21, 2018 8:59PMPC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo0 -
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✭✭✭✭Dk tanks are hybrids. They mostly stack lots of hp with barely any magicka or stamina. Calling them mag or stam is wrong.
If you're new to the game this might confuse you, but you can be a magicka character and still use stamina weapons in this game.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 22, 2018 9:36AM0 -
Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
If you're new to the game this might confuse you, but you can be a magicka character and still use stamina weapons in this game.
yeah if you want to gimp your Dmg sure.....
im here since release... on and off....
im searching for a class and build that i can play as a hibrid without gimping myself to oblivion in Both solo and Group content....
thats why i asked whats up with DK tanks...0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
If you're new to the game this might confuse you, but you can be a magicka character and still use stamina weapons in this game.
yeah if you want to gimp your Dmg sure.....
im here since release... on and off....
im searching for a class and build that i can play as a hibrid without gimping myself to oblivion in Both solo and Group content....
thats why i asked whats up with DK tanks...
That's the catch though. Tanks don't do damage.0 -
Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
If you're new to the game this might confuse you, but you can be a magicka character and still use stamina weapons in this game.
yeah if you want to gimp your Dmg sure.....
im here since release... on and off....
im searching for a class and build that i can play as a hibrid without gimping myself to oblivion in Both solo and Group content....
thats why i asked whats up with DK tanks...
That's the catch though. Tanks don't do damage.
in this mmo sadly not it seems..... X.X
so forever gimped for Solo stuff if i go Tank "hybrid" huh.... even with DKs....
its annoying how you need to chose between Melee weapons or Class abilities... for attacking and doing stuff....
theres bassicaly no melee class in the game if you know what i mean lol....Edited by Zordrage on April 22, 2018 4:47PM0 -
datgladiatah✭✭✭Certain tank builds can have some damage though. Wardens that build max health have two damage abilities that scale on max health and it can do a bit more damage than most health tanks. Templar uses Sunshield which can burst for 20k/30k non crit depending on how much health you build. I think NB tanks can build magicka really well through sapping abilities. They can't permablock in most instances but they can instantly heal themselves if they rotate their heals and use leeching strikes for stamina sustain. But again they can't be expected to damage as much as average characters. If you plan to do overworld stuff just put on a different heavy armor set that's built around damage.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
If you're new to the game this might confuse you, but you can be a magicka character and still use stamina weapons in this game.
yeah if you want to gimp your Dmg sure.....
im here since release... on and off....
im searching for a class and build that i can play as a hibrid without gimping myself to oblivion in Both solo and Group content....
thats why i asked whats up with DK tanks...
PvE might be all about BiS , BiS and BiS, but in PvP lands, where there is freedom on build paths, you can be a magicka toon and use dual wield, use SnB, use 2h. there are a lot of examples to this. and I will be personally playing a melee magDk with 2h front bar and a resto staff back bar, If I can make it happen.
That being said, hybrids are bad at dealing damage, and for a very good reason. Its just selfish to ask for best of both builds. It just is selfish. The closest thing you'll get to a hybrid is probably a Dk tank.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 22, 2018 10:21PM0 -
SmellyUnlimited✭✭✭✭All tanks are Health tanks, first and foremost. What determines “Mag” or “stam” is what resource is higher for purposes of shards/orbs.
You don’t want all stam or all Mag; you will be an ineffective tank.
No, inner fire isn’t replacement for pierce. You’re giving the enemy Major Fracture/Major Breach, and usually followed by a light attack you then have crusher on it. Most fights I run a lightning staff back bar to drop blockade for easy crusher up-time/offbalance. If it’s a challenging one, I’ll double S/B because I don’t want to lose a 5 piece set bonus even for the time I’m jumping to backbar.
You can still use even an Ice Staff backbar for blockade if you like, but it won’t has as much utility. You don’t want to be blocking with any staff, though, even Ice. Why? Because right now staves don’t have an armor class, so you’ve lost 1900 spell/phys resistance. You’ve lost the increased blocking (no, Frost staff % to block doesn’t make up for the fact that you’ve lost a lot of resistances, lost a 5 piece set bonus, and no where NEAR the amount of passives for Frost staff as there is for S/B.)
Long story short - current meta, more heavily stam-oriented tanks are considerably more effective. They are still hybrids, though. I try and run 19-20k stam, and maybe 17-18k Mag. I also use Balance, so Magicka isn’t too hard to come by. Magicka is still vitally Important to be effective, but ultimately it’s secondary. For DK’s, Magicka often is used to just keep Igneous up, which in turn converts to stam. Stam is make or break, though, so it will be your most precious commodity (and you know, your life).
lose stam = you can’t block = boss heavy and you’re toast.Edited by SmellyUnlimited on April 23, 2018 3:55AMDO. NOT. WIPE. (in game OR out!)0