How do people play DPS since sustain nerf??

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

Personally I quit right after the sustaim nerfs, it was so annoying running out of recources amd just heavy attacking and still getting barely anu recources back, it killed my dps and it made VMA imposssible for me.

I just came back a week ago to prepare for summerset, but seems the same problem exists. It the biggest game killer ever for me even though everything they have added after is just great.

Can someone tell me how do dps sustain now?

Leandor · April 2018

Incorporate heavy attacks into your rotation to ensure that you don't ever hit the point where you can't sustain your dots and end up only heavy attacking.

Marabornwingrion · April 2018

Food with magicka/stamina regen and heavy attacks.

Runefang · April 2018

Dunno, I never run out of resources? Git gud?

Crom_CCCXVI · April 2018

I actually try to kill people instead of fighting a 20 minute draw.
It's amazing how hard you can hit someone when 1/2 your skills aren't running away or turtle skills. But seriously, they nerfed my concussion build DK, so I said screw it and switched to a mag sorc.--- I now play 3 offensive sets, and my fights last less than 30 seconds.

I probably win around 70% of my 1 v 1's. I never run away, I've learned to accept dying once and a while. I never have those 20 min draws like I used to, though sometimes my opponents run away.

I think it is a more fun game this way, even if I'm in a group if I'm ignored it's fun to rain down mass damage.--- not to mention at least once a weekend someone accuses of you of cheating because you land a 12K frag or a 20K+ overload (on a Sorc anyway) I imagine every class has some route to big damage (except maybe Templar?) .

I know someone is saying, 70% sucks, don't care.-- it's nice to know when you do the above kind of damage, you can win any fight, even against someone way better than you if you get lucky. There are no "lucky wins" with a sustain build.

Guarlet · April 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Dunno, I never run out of resources? Git gud?

*eyeroll*

Yeah, what some of the others above said. Heavy attack, food with regen. In addition to that, some sets like Stormfist and VO are helpful to your resource management, depending on what class you are of course.

Ozstryker · April 2018

Other than heavy attacking when needed, I make sure I have 1000 regen minimum.. and cp points in resorce return and heavy attack return... some may disagree, but this suits my play style, I guess you need to find your sweet spot..

Kikke · April 2018

Best way too help you would be if you told us what class / setup you play.

But yes, the general rule is that after Morrowind we had too sustain. We use health, stam/mag, with recovery food now.
We also use 50-75-100 cp points into resource return by heavy attacks (cant remember the name) and use a heavy attack or two in our rotations. Also off-balance has been changed, again. So now if you heavy attack a off-balance target you gain double resource back.

I think thats about it. . . hmm, if you play stam, vMA front bar is outdated and not any good anymore. Rotation is near impossible too sustain and the damage is no longer that good after they changed the set too a 2/2 part set for the bonus.

kadar · April 2018

@Bigevilpeter
Dubious Camoran Throne (stam), Clockwork Citrus Fillet (mag). Most sustain issues disappear right there.

Seconds, synergies don't take up Global Coodowns now, so it's never a DPS loss to hit them. Healer Orbs and Shards return tons of resources.

Some classes heavy occasionally, ideally when things are off balance (+huge return), but my Stam and Mag NB don't ever need to.

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

Best way too help you would be if you told us what class / setup you play.

But yes, the general rule is that after Morrowind we had too sustain. We use health, stam/mag, with recovery food now.
We also use 50-75-100 cp points into resource return by heavy attacks (cant remember the name) and use a heavy attack or two in our rotations. Also off-balance has been changed, again. So now if you heavy attack a off-balance target you gain double resource back.

I think thats about it. . . hmm, if you play stam, vMA front bar is outdated and not any good anymore. Rotation is near impossible too sustain and the damage is no longer that good after they changed the set too a 2/2 part set for the bonus.

Well I have all the classes maxed out so I play them all, but lets say Say Woodelf Stamblade with VO/Leviathan/Velidrith

Kikke · April 2018

a NB should have the least hard time sustaining. Know many NBs doing full light-attack rotations on 3mill, 6mill dummy and in trials. So check up builds on that xD Personaly I'm a magica toon myself, so can give more direct pointers for that

Turelus · April 2018

If you're in a group it's easier as you will have support via orbs/shards and elemental drain (magicka), however each class has their own ways to try and alleviate pressure.

Personally I use the following on my Magicka Nightblade.

Vampire (ugh... but it helps)
Witch Mothers Brew or Clockwork Fillet
1x Regeneration glyph.
Siphoning attacks.
Synergies.

A good player won't need all of that but I am very bad at keeping up Siphoning Attacks and light weaving so I have taken to other ways of overcoming my weaknesses.

WuffyCerulei · April 2018

You do more heavy attacks now, but they're not as terrible as the once were. Heck, they're gonna be hitting harder in Summerset. A wise player learns to go with change rather than oppose and leave.

Jade1986 · April 2018

Dubious Camoran throne for stam and witchmothers brew for mag, and for tanks Spring loaded Infusion.

I try to have my regen at 1500 minimum. 2000 is best, but 1500 is doable.

Goshua · April 2018

Don't survive long enough for it to matter..

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Dubious Camoran throne for stam and witchmothers brew for mag, and for tanks Spring loaded Infusion.

I try to have my regen at 1500 minimum. 2000 is best, but 1500 is doable.

thats pvp right?? 1500 regen in pve kills your dps

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

You do more heavy attacks now, but they're not as terrible as the once were. Heck, they're gonna be hitting harder in Summerset. A wise player learns to go with change rather than oppose and leave.

yeah looks like i need to learn to put heavy attack efficiently into my rotation

Jade1986 · April 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Dubious Camoran throne for stam and witchmothers brew for mag, and for tanks Spring loaded Infusion.

I try to have my regen at 1500 minimum. 2000 is best, but 1500 is doable.

thats pvp right?? 1500 regen in pve kills your dps

In pvp non cp its 1500, yeah. Its 1800 in pve unbuffed , buti like to have it at 2-2,3 k unbuffed if possible. I rarely run out of magicka or stam, only if ppl rush from mob to mob. 1 HA usually fills half my bar anyway.

Doctordarkspawn · April 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

You do more heavy attacks now, but they're not as terrible as the once were. Heck, they're gonna be hitting harder in Summerset. A wise player learns to go with change rather than oppose and leave.

An even more wise man knows when he plays a game he dislikes and decides to discontinue.

Septimus_Magna · April 2018

Invest in the CP tree that gives more resources when you light/heavy attack. In pve its more useful than the regen CP tree imo.

Other than that buff food that gives health, stam/mag and stam/mag regen.

What race, class and build are you playing?

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Invest in the CP tree that gives more resources when you light/heavy attack. In pve its more useful than the regen CP tree imo.

Other than that buff food that gives health, stam/mag and stam/mag regen.

What race, class and build are you playing?

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Well I have all the classes maxed out so I play them all, but lets say Say Woodelf Stamblade with VO/Leviathan/Velidrith

ChunkyCat · April 2018

Runefang wrote: »

Dunno, I never run out of resources? Git gud?

kek

Tito86 · April 2018

I enchanted one of my agilty ring with stam. regen. instead of weap. dam., added heavy attacks and Leeching Strikes to my rotation and now i never run out of resources.

Jameliel · April 2018

I use a ton of spell power potions. Agree the heavy attack method is boring. Just adds to the chunkiness. What can you do though? They always try to be different instead of fun. At least there are ton of different things to do like pop, craft etc. Until better comes out, not a lot of choices. Most better designed games are old now. Keep hoping a DDO2 or Vanguard will come out

Sparr0w · April 2018

One rotation all LA, next rotation HA front bar.

Eyro · April 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

You do more heavy attacks now, but they're not as terrible as the once were. Heck, they're gonna be hitting harder in Summerset. A wise player learns to go with change rather than oppose and leave.

An even more wise man knows when he plays a game he dislikes and decides to discontinue.

This is my problem. Heavy attack is so boring. And no matter what I do it seems like I end up having to do it every couple of skills to keep my resources up. Such a boring way to play.

Stewart1874 · April 2018

Witchmother's Potent Brew, increases max magicka and health as well as magicka recovery. Slightly less max magicka and health than Clockwork Citrus Filet but doesn't require perfect roe so is cheaper to make and basically does the same thing.

Aurielle · April 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Personally I quit right after the sustaim nerfs, it was so annoying running out of recources amd just heavy attacking and still getting barely anu recources back, it killed my dps and it made VMA imposssible for me.

I just came back a week ago to prepare for summerset, but seems the same problem exists. It the biggest game killer ever for me even though everything they have added after is just great.

Can someone tell me how do dps sustain now?

Throwing in one HA per rotation does not kill DPS — at least not for me. I do 31k+ on a magsorc that uses one HA per rotation. If you need help with sustain, try checking out Alcast’s builds as a starting point, and then modify the setup as needed to work with your play style.

knaveofengland · April 2018

oh dear you might have to team up , there you go sorted , it dont hurt if you say it fast .

Violynne · April 2018

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Didn't he die?

Ravingar · April 2018

Yeah, everyone agrees the change was annoying.. But it really made the game require much more skill to actually git good. People actually have to incorporate strategies into how they play, and how they manage resources. While before it was more or less, use your skills in the right order (at least that's how I remember it)