Can you make a character good without using any of their class skills?

Cladius30 · April 2018

just wondering

Dasovaruilos · April 2018

Well, you can... Probably won't be super effective.

But Stamina can use 5 non-class skills on back bar and at least 3 on front on end game, so I guess it might not be that hard.

Say:

Back-bar:
Poison Injection, Endless Hail, Trap, Caltrops, Vigor, Ballista ULTI

Front-bar:
Rapid Strikes, Rending Slashes, Steel Tornado, Deadly Cloak, Eterna Hunt, Dawnbreaker.

You will be missing tons of buffs, though.

Jade1986 · April 2018

Can you do it, yes, will it be good, no. I tried this for the longest, it just doesnt work right.

Cladius30 · April 2018

why do they penalize players like this, we should have the options to go and obtain and use other skills if were not happy with the class skills they make.

GeorgeBlack · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

why do they penalize players like this, we should have the options to go and obtain and use other skills if were not happy with the class skills they make.

>. <

Yakidafi · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

why do they penalize players like this, we should have the options to go and obtain and use other skills if were not happy with the class skills they make.

Why did you choose a specific class?

Nestor · April 2018

Then pick another Class on your next character. Simple.

Smokewood · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

just wondering

Can you define "good"?

Wing · April 2018

yes, stamina DK is almost exclusively weapon skills, guild skills, and pvp skills and does okay.

Cladius30 · April 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Then pick another Class on your next character. Simple.

what if you do not like any of the classes and just want to use skills from non classes, that should be viable

Cladius30 · April 2018

if they make spell crafting then wouldnt it become optional to have spells from non classes

Yakidafi · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Then pick another Class on your next character. Simple.

what if you do not like any of the classes and just want to use skills from non classes, that should be viable

Then you probably don't like the game.. Oo

Cladius30 · April 2018

Yakidafi wrote: »

Cladius30 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Then pick another Class on your next character. Simple.

what if you do not like any of the classes and just want to use skills from non classes, that should be viable

Then you probably don't like the game.. Oo

not true i love this game, i love the lore i love the world and the mechanics everything about except the class options they made.. im sure others are feeling this to

Cladius30 · April 2018

Smokewood wrote: »

Cladius30 wrote: »

just wondering

Can you define "good"?

well i guess for me it would be casual pve and casual pvp

Thogard · April 2018

You mean a Stam sorc?

abigfishy · April 2018

There are also some skills from other trees like Fighters Guild, Undaunted, Mages Guild, Werewolf, Vampire and Soul Magic. No chance it would be tier one but playable for overland content and normal dungeons....sure.

Hard to define good, but can you make a fun character without class skills, sure.

PS: I would still level up your class skills so you can get the useful passives.

Cladius30 · April 2018

abigfishy wrote: »

There are also some skills from other trees like Fighters Guild, Undaunted, Mages Guild, Werewolf, Vampire and Soul Magic. No chance it would be tier one but playable for overland content and normal dungeons....sure.

Hard to define good, but can you make a fun character without class skills, sure.

PS: I would still level up your class skills so you can get the useful passives.

yes those types of skills are cool and my point is they should be made more successful in overall competition.

Cladius30 · April 2018

Thogard wrote: »

You mean a Stam sorc?

hmm dont know i havent mentioned that class

RainfeatherUK · April 2018

How often do we have to repeat these stupid threads.

Assuming people could do so (and taking into account the OP's obvious dislike of classes), it's; as stated a million times; class homogenisation that would finally end in everyone following one build/one class/same skills at a competitive level.

I've always loathed the lack of class definition in this 'mmo'. It makes roles so trite, I'm often wondering why I bother. Some class distinction and not facing A another copy of myself in game, is about all there is right now.

Take that away and it'll be balanced alright. Whilst being about as fun and diverse as a white padded room.

GeorgeBlack · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

abigfishy wrote: »

There are also some skills from other trees like Fighters Guild, Undaunted, Mages Guild, Werewolf, Vampire and Soul Magic. No chance it would be tier one but playable for overland content and normal dungeons....sure.

Hard to define good, but can you make a fun character without class skills, sure.

PS: I would still level up your class skills so you can get the useful passives.

yes those types of skills are cool and my point is they should be made more successful in overall competition.

This I agree with.
They need to be improved

Cladius30 · April 2018

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

How often do we have to repeat these stupid threads.

Assuming people could do so (and taking into account the OP's obvious dislike of classes), it's; as stated a million times; class homogenisation that would finally end in everyone following one build/one class/same skills at a competitive level.

I've always loathed the lack of class definition in this 'mmo'. It makes roles so trite, I'm often wondering why I bother. Some class distinction and not facing A another copy of myself in game, is about all there is right now.

Take that away and it'll be balanced alright. Whilst being about as fun and diverse as a white padded room.

holy smokes did i pee in your corn flakes buddy wow lol

Waffennacht · April 2018

I'm confused.

Why wouldn't you like at least:
Breath of Life
Jabs
Backlash
Lash
Leap
Surge
Path
Frag
Wrath
Swallow
Netch
Streak
Soul Harvest
Familiar
Armaments
Ritual

???

Cladius30 · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I'm confused.

Why wouldn't you like at least:
Breath of Life
Jabs
Backlash
Lash
Leap
Surge
Path
Frag
Wrath
Swallow
Netch
Streak
Soul Harvest
Familiar
Armaments
Ritual

???

umm i guess im more of a person that prefers to just use my weapon abilities or like guild abilities.. for some reason i dont fancy the class stuff

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2018

Someone already said it. Welcome to being a stamDK where most of your skills and passives are useless or weaker versions of skills available to everyone through guild or weapon skills.

Anotherone773 · April 2018

It really depends on your definition of good. If you have an extreme version of good like vet trials, leaderboards, etc. then i doubt it. But casual good to get you through most content? Yes. It just really depends on how hard of content you want to do. For casual stuff totally doable. I use a single bar bow blade no class skills and have no issues with normal content and some vet. I sometimes slap a resto set on my sorcerer and can heal dungeons just fine without any class skills.

Cladius30 · April 2018

Anotherone773 wrote: »

It really depends on your definition of good. If you have an extreme version of good like vet trials, leaderboards, etc. then i doubt it. But casual good to get you through most content? Yes. It just really depends on how hard of content you want to do. For casual stuff totally doable. I use a single bar bow blade no class skills and have no issues with normal content and some vet. I sometimes slap a resto set on my sorcerer and can heal dungeons just fine without any class skills.

good to know.. thats probably my level i doubt i will see anything vet i dont play enough to be in a vet anything

Anotherone773 · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

It really depends on your definition of good. If you have an extreme version of good like vet trials, leaderboards, etc. then i doubt it. But casual good to get you through most content? Yes. It just really depends on how hard of content you want to do. For casual stuff totally doable. I use a single bar bow blade no class skills and have no issues with normal content and some vet. I sometimes slap a resto set on my sorcerer and can heal dungeons just fine without any class skills.

good to know.. thats probably my level i doubt i will see anything vet i dont play enough to be in a vet anything

Yeah you can do normal content just fine without class skills. I mean... a lot of content you can just spam a couple of buttons and get through it. I solo public dungeons using caltrops, draining shot, and sometimes endless hail. On the bosses i do fine using pos injection, caltrops, and focused aim. Toss an ultimate in there and your golden. In normal dungeons you will play with a wide variety of skilled players from the newbie who does like 2k dps to the high CP in trial gear melting everything before you even get to it. Most people wont even notice unless you die constantly or your at the top or bottom of those numbers.

As for pvp, imp gear matters, if your serious about pvp. If your just their to have fun and rack up some AP, then go in as you are and do what you can. Expect to be hit hard like 10-15k hits, though.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

The best option for a character to use zero class skills is the nightblade, with a stamina build focused on weapon skills.

Nightblades have more passives that boost weapon performance than any other class, with increases to damage, crit, etc. However, you still have to use class abilities to unlock and level those skill trees to get the passives you need.

TheShadowScout · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

Can you make a character good without using any of their class skills?

Yes.
Stamina built, weapon skills as main source of damage, fighters guild and assault skills as support. Level the class skill lines anyhow for the passives, but don't use any skills once you maxed them.
Its quite doable.

Less so with magica builds... you -can- make it work, somewhat, with staff, mages guild and soul magic, but... it will perform quite suboptimal compared to others...

Turelus · April 2018

Cladius30 wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

Cladius30 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Then pick another Class on your next character. Simple.

what if you do not like any of the classes and just want to use skills from non classes, that should be viable

Then you probably don't like the game.. Oo

not true i love this game, i love the lore i love the world and the mechanics everything about except the class options they made.. im sure others are feeling this to

I you have expectation which are not what the game delivers or want the game to be something it's not you're only going to make yourself miserable.

Take ESO for what it is and enjoy it for what it is. If you really don't like the class skills try and find guild skills or sets which offer you the bonuses you're missing. However don't expect to be clearing high level content or be super competitive in PvP unless you play the game the way it was designed to be played.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2018

Stam is easy

Front bar two hander,

Camo hunter, rally, reverse slice, brawler, wrecking blow, ulti flawless dawnbreaker

Front bar dual wield,

Camo hunter, shrouded daggers, steel tornado, blood craze, bloodthirst, ulti is flawless dawnbreaker or rend

Back bar bow,

Trap, caltrops, vigor, endless hail, poison injection, ulti ballista.

Mag is harder and will do less dps.

Front bar fire staff

Inner light, degeneration (entropy), elemental ring, clench, force pulse, ulti meteor

Back bar lighting or fire

Inner light, eledrain(maybe consuming trap), harness magic, scalding rune, wall of elements, ulti elemental rage.

Both those builds will get you survivability and at least 20k dps.