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ZOS, if you nerf stamblades please dont make magblades useless in PVP
DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER
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As everybody knows currently stamblades ("rollerblades") are overperforming in PVP due to high damage (incap, surprise attack) and high sustain (2,5k+ stam regen and well fitted/tenacity) and extremely high mobility (cloak, shadow image, shuffle (snare immunity) and dodge rolling).
The counters to cloak are not effective at all. AoEs dont hit hard and they just move out of, same thing with mages light and flare. Due to incredible mobility even detect pots dont help at all anymore, they run away faster from you than usain bolt and just wait it out, the duration is too low. Not even mark is a counter anymore, as with shadow image and dodge rolling you have insane mobility and kiteablity like no other class has.
I saw stamblades kite out a whole zerg while being marked. Even tho skill is involved in using shadow image tactically, its crazy that a stamblade can fool a whole zerg. Hence it always takes so many people to kill that one good stamblade.
I strongly believe that nerfs are coming and I hope they wont destroy magblades in PVP, as magblades in open world cyrodiil (solo or smallscale, not running in a huge ball of AOE heals) are already really not that good at all. You either play a worse stamina nightblade (melee magblade) or a worse magsorc.
So if you are gonna nerf stamblades, please for the sake of god dont destroy magblades in pvp completely. Thanks.
The counters to cloak are not effective at all. AoEs dont hit hard and they just move out of, same thing with mages light and flare. Due to incredible mobility even detect pots dont help at all anymore, they run away faster from you than usain bolt and just wait it out, the duration is too low. Not even mark is a counter anymore, as with shadow image and dodge rolling you have insane mobility and kiteablity like no other class has.
I saw stamblades kite out a whole zerg while being marked. Even tho skill is involved in using shadow image tactically, its crazy that a stamblade can fool a whole zerg. Hence it always takes so many people to kill that one good stamblade.
I strongly believe that nerfs are coming and I hope they wont destroy magblades in PVP, as magblades in open world cyrodiil (solo or smallscale, not running in a huge ball of AOE heals) are already really not that good at all. You either play a worse stamina nightblade (melee magblade) or a worse magsorc.
So if you are gonna nerf stamblades, please for the sake of god dont destroy magblades in pvp completely. Thanks.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭about stamblade problem as I main stamblade the biggest problem I think its just possible to rolldodge spam and reset fatigue with cloak and again dodge spam...and ofc if not that much possibility to spam this dodge stamblade wot be that big problem to kill but here we need to have really very big luck to even hit this stupid monkey
I as stamblade just missing old days where stamblade was far far from op and hardly yo play and those days was much more enjoyable form me as NB because it was less other nb's on pvp hahah
EDIT: jsut missing days when even ganking was really for skilled players abd very sucefull and...uh not ganking..but running away from gank was the most skill needed thing, this was hard in those old days while now just spam dodge like ***, cloak and thats all, nothing specialEdited by Edziu on April 14, 2018 7:01PM3 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Befoul cp is the main problem and synergizes really well with incap. Incap either needs to lose the stun or defile it procs and nbs are fine.3
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭"As everybody knows" um... No. They are not over performing. For one the class that has the highest consensus on being OP is the Stam Warden. Also good stamblades go down quicker than good DKs, magsorcs, wardens, and Templars.
The counters for cloak are not only effective, they're incredibly numerous! Heck I have a potion that gives me immovable, detection and restores magicka that completely disables their defense mechanic, and I don't even need to slot an ability to do so.
Just because you're bad at killing stamblades doesn't mean they're over performing. It's just a learning curve for you. This spamming the same nerf thread over and over is you not taking personal responsibility for your inadequacy as a player and misplacing the blame on something else because that is easier for you to do than admit and address your own adequacy.Edited by Strider__Roshin on April 14, 2018 9:21PM10 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nightblade is not OP, incap and cloak are right where they should be.
please stop spaming these types of threads.
very few people agree with anything you have said here.6 -
Palidon✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you ask me ZOS does not need to nerf anything. What they need to do is work on their game performance issues and bugs.
Just once I would like to see a update were they leave the classes and skills alone.6 -
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✭I main a stamblade, and I disagree with a lot of your assessments just factually.
AOEs and magelight are really effective at bringing a NB out of cloak. The problem isn’t the abilities...it’s the players. Why am I able to hide 95% of the time when I’m being hunted? Because 99% of the time the other players search the same areas in the same pattern. I know in a resource tower hunt they’re going to run up the stairs, run in a little circle with magelight, then drop down. All I have to do is sidestep them. Usually I get on the back ledge, let them start up the last flight of stairs, then I drop down to where they just were. And enemies always hunt out of sneak. If people actually went into stealth once in a while NBs would be way less lethal.
Mark is an amazing counter. You just have to mark them, then they’re entirely huntable.
The reason a blade can kite a Zerg is because even though there are 200 skills in the game, any given Zerg is running 40 of them using all cookie cutter builds. An ideal Cyrodiil PvP team would work like a vet trial team - they’d choose their abilities in consideration of other group members in order to expand their capabilities. But pvpers don’t do this. They all run the accepted “best” skills and don’t slot the ones that might make them super effective. As a stamblade, I can tell the difference between a cookie cutter group and a diverse group really clearly. Every once in a while a group I go up against has by chance really diverse skills, and I get hit with 3-4 cloak counters at once. Then I’m screwed. But when it’s a group of 20 representing 4 builds, then no, they don’t have the abilities slotted to find and destroy me unless I make a misstep.3 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭Obviously u havent played a stamblade. Any competent Group kills of a stamblade easy. Theres alot of counters out there that used correctly totally nullifys cloak. and in 1v1 fights i feel classes are rather balanced. ZoS have nerfed nightblades every single dlc since like forever. And you and your mates crusade against stamblades is just pathethic. You start thread after thread after thread to nerf stamblades when in reality its basically a L2P issue that u cant seem to comprehend.5
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »nightblade is not OP, incap and cloak are right where they should be.
please stop spaming these types of threads.
very few people agree with anything you have said here.
Yeah exactly, Cloak and Incap are exactly working as intended and not overperforming. Suuuuuuuure.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -4 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »nightblade is not OP, incap and cloak are right where they should be.
please stop spaming these types of threads.
very few people agree with anything you have said here.
Yeah exactly, Cloak and Incap are exactly working as intended and not overperforming. Suuuuuuuure.
Cloak's function is to turn you invisible, and in nearly every update ZOS has been trying to improve the reliability of this mechanic. If Nightblades are disappearing on you then it's working as intended. If you cannot grasp this then there's no hope for you.
There are two issues with incap:
1) freezes you in place prior to seeing the animation (server error, and not an ability error. Favors the user)
2) misses point blank (once again server error. This favors the person on the receiving end).
These issues with incap can be frustrating, but there's a near endless list of server issues especially when it pertains to CCs.3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »nightblade is not OP, incap and cloak are right where they should be.
please stop spaming these types of threads.
very few people agree with anything you have said here.
Yeah exactly, Cloak and Incap are exactly working as intended and not overperforming. Suuuuuuuure.
Cloak's function is to turn you invisible, and in nearly every update ZOS has been trying to improve the reliability of this mechanic. If Nightblades are disappearing on you then it's working as intended. If you cannot grasp this then there's no hope for you.
There are two issues with incap:
1) freezes you in place prior to seeing the animation (server error, and not an ability error. Favors the user)
2) misses point blank (once again server error. This favors the person on the receiving end).
These issues with incap can be frustrating, but there's a near endless list of server issues especially when it pertains to CCs.
Cloak was never meant to give you the option to reset every fight and regen resources within 3-4 seconds just to try another sneak attack and kill your opponent. Cloak and all of the passives based around it are broken at the moment. Period. And Cloak + Incap is just too much and needs to be nerfed.
And please don't start with the Cloak counters, they're all abysmal.
Edited by Seraphayel on April 14, 2018 10:32PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
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✭✭✭Miats add-on altered recently. People increase their complaints about Nightblades.
This is no coincidence.3 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Miats add-on altered recently. People increase their complaints about Nightblades.
This is no coincidence.
That must be why over half of the players in PvP on console are NBs as well
Fr though, Miat’s going away def added to this on the PC-side. You’re all just beginning to understand how good NB has been on console, since they were essentially gimped on PC due to that add-on.2 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »nightblade is not OP, incap and cloak are right where they should be.
please stop spaming these types of threads.
very few people agree with anything you have said here.
Yeah exactly, Cloak and Incap are exactly working as intended and not overperforming. Suuuuuuuure.
Cloak's function is to turn you invisible, and in nearly every update ZOS has been trying to improve the reliability of this mechanic. If Nightblades are disappearing on you then it's working as intended. If you cannot grasp this then there's no hope for you.
There are two issues with incap:
1) freezes you in place prior to seeing the animation (server error, and not an ability error. Favors the user)
2) misses point blank (once again server error. This favors the person on the receiving end).
These issues with incap can be frustrating, but there's a near endless list of server issues especially when it pertains to CCs.
Cloak was never meant to give you the option to reset every fight and regen resources within 3-4 seconds just to try another sneak attack and kill your opponent. Cloak and all of the passives based around it are broken at the moment. Period. And Cloak + Incap is just too much and needs to be nerfed.
And please don't start with the Cloak counters, they're all abysmal.
Abysmal? You mean plentiful. Also Regen resources within 3-4 seconds? I'd like to see a build with 15k Stam Regen. No wonder you think Cloak and incap need nerfed, you have no grasp on reality. I don't see the point in discussing this with you further. Have a nice day.2 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »nightblade is not OP, incap and cloak are right where they should be.
please stop spaming these types of threads.
very few people agree with anything you have said here.
Yeah exactly, Cloak and Incap are exactly working as intended and not overperforming. Suuuuuuuure.
Cloak's function is to turn you invisible, and in nearly every update ZOS has been trying to improve the reliability of this mechanic. If Nightblades are disappearing on you then it's working as intended. If you cannot grasp this then there's no hope for you.
There are two issues with incap:
1) freezes you in place prior to seeing the animation (server error, and not an ability error. Favors the user)
2) misses point blank (once again server error. This favors the person on the receiving end).
These issues with incap can be frustrating, but there's a near endless list of server issues especially when it pertains to CCs.
Cloak was never meant to give you the option to reset every fight and regen resources within 3-4 seconds just to try another sneak attack and kill your opponent. Cloak and all of the passives based around it are broken at the moment. Period. And Cloak + Incap is just too much and needs to be nerfed.
And please don't start with the Cloak counters, they're all abysmal.
Abysmal? You mean plentiful. Also Regen resources within 3-4 seconds? I'd like to see a build with 15k Stam Regen. No wonder you think Cloak and incap need nerfed, you have no grasp on reality. I don't see the point in discussing this with you further. Have a nice day.
Says the NB that's overperforming due to bugs and not skill...? Don't know, tell me. Because nobody can deny that Stamblades are overperforming at the moment.
I never said regen back to full resources. But it's a matter of fact that Cloak heals are broken at the moment. My reality is +50% NBs in battlegrounds. And yours?
Magelight and Flare are abysmal Cloak counters. There are more, actually good ones? Please tell me.Edited by Seraphayel on April 14, 2018 11:14PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -4 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭"As everybody knows" um... No. They are not over performing. For one the class that has the highest consensus on being OP is the Stam Warden. Also good stamblades go down quicker than good DKs, magsorcs, wardens, and Templars.
The counters for cloak are not only effective, they're incredibly numerous! Heck I have a potion that gives me immovable, detection and restores magicka that completely disables their defense mechanic, and I don't even need to slot an ability to do so.
Just because you're bad at killing stamblades doesn't mean they're over performing. It's just a learning curve for you. This spamming the same nerf thread over and over is you not taking personal responsibility for your inadequacy as a player and misplacing the blame on something else because that is easier for you to do than admit and address your own adequacy.
Almost any counter to NB is useless. Especially stamina NB. You use detect pods for NB sniping continuously from 35 M range. Good luck. NB is overpowered . Period. Its inadequacy of noob night blades not able to play other classes and always looks for overpowered cheese. Give mark target to mage guild. That is the perfect balance for NB.
Dont waste time here. No one is going to agree.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 15, 2018 3:10AM3 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Befoul cp is the main problem and synergizes really well with incap. Incap either needs to lose the stun or defile it procs and nbs are fine.
so many other things have access to defile in this game. Defile doesn't make stamblades super easy to survive.
Defile has nothing to do with why stamblades are overperforming. defile was in this game for years, it was there when nightblades were useless, its still here today, as nightblades are overperforming.
lets stop finding excuses and focus on the real issue. stamblades are overloaded with good stuff. I don't even care what happens to them at this point, I'm just sick and tired of how everyone tries to ignore the main issue and just find excuses.
This is the very same community which asked for nerfs to everything else, and as for stamblades, nerfs should come sooner or later, like how it did for Dks. Knowing that my old Dk will just never be back, All I can do is making sure bad stamblades can taste their own medicine by asking for nerfs.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 15, 2018 3:18AM3 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Befoul cp is the main problem and synergizes really well with incap. Incap either needs to lose the stun or defile it procs and nbs are fine.
This is the very same community which asked for nerfs to everything else, and as for stamblades, nerfs should come sooner or later, like how it did for Dks. Knowing that my old Dk will just never be back, All I can do is making sure bad stamblades can taste their own medicine by asking for nerfs.
so its not about balance its about Revenge and Hatred for nightblades not getting the nerfs that dragonights got.
i sure hope the forum moderators and the eso devs and also the eso community as a whole can see what you guys are doing, and stop allowing these types of threads and spamming these types of threads and end this Hate and Anger and push to cause problems not only here on the forums but also ingame.
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✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Befoul cp is the main problem and synergizes really well with incap. Incap either needs to lose the stun or defile it procs and nbs are fine.
This is the very same community which asked for nerfs to everything else, and as for stamblades, nerfs should come sooner or later, like how it did for Dks. Knowing that my old Dk will just never be back, All I can do is making sure bad stamblades can taste their own medicine by asking for nerfs.
so its not about balance its about Revenge and Hatred for nightblades not getting the nerfs that dragonights got.
i sure hope the forum moderators and the eso devs and also the eso community as a whole can see what you guys are doing, and stop allowing these types of threads and spamming these types of threads and end this Hate and Anger and push to cause problems not only here on the forums but also ingame.
So, further proving my point? Its hate and drama and anger and whatever when it comes to nerfing your broken cheese, but when the meta was Dk you guys were crying all over the place. I don't see a difference between the two.
When I see broken BS, I call it out loud, for me it doesn't matter if its my own class or another one. I want a better game, and overkill amounts of nerfs that made my class garbage aren't going to be reverted, so my only option for a better game is asking for nerfs for the moment. I already tried asking for buffs, it does not work.Edited by Ragnarock41 on April 15, 2018 4:17AM2 -
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✭If you can't kill a stamblade with no impenetrable im sorry but there is no hope for you.5 -
Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »"As everybody knows" um... No. They are not over performing. For one the class that has the highest consensus on being OP is the Stam Warden. Also good stamblades go down quicker than good DKs, magsorcs, wardens, and Templars.
The counters for cloak are not only effective, they're incredibly numerous! Heck I have a potion that gives me immovable, detection and restores magicka that completely disables their defense mechanic, and I don't even need to slot an ability to do so.
Just because you're bad at killing stamblades doesn't mean they're over performing. It's just a learning curve for you. This spamming the same nerf thread over and over is you not taking personal responsibility for your inadequacy as a player and misplacing the blame on something else because that is easier for you to do than admit and address your own adequacy.
Almost any counter to NB is useless. Especially stamina NB. You use detect pods for NB sniping continuously from 35 M range. Good luck. NB is overpowered . Period. Its inadequacy of noob night blades not able to play other classes and always looks for overpowered cheese. Give mark target to mage guild. That is the perfect balance for NB.
Dont waste time here. No one is going to agree.
So its more of a skill problem and not a nightblade problem.3 -
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@KalanteIf you can't kill a stamblade with no impenetrable im sorry but there is no hope for you.
You'd be surprised! I and a few other of my NB friends run builds that don't even use impen rarely get killed while rolling solo. xD
From there, you can approximate a consensus of how many potato players are out there based on the average zerg population of 30+ in CP campaigns. You can extrapolate this into no-CP campaigns and the resulting players that behave just like the ones in CP campaigns are ridiculously similar, if not exactly the same.
Seriously, NB is not OP. People just need to have more sensibility in hunting down NBs.The Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭Incap is over performing stop trying to defend that *** lmao, this community is the worst thing ever. Please go ahead and explain to me how incap isn't overperforming and not in need of balancing..5 -
ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭Love to read non stamblade comment on how OP stamblade are. the TWO classdefining factors of a stamblade is burst and stealth. Thats what this class is all about. thats why many ppl choose it since they can be played solo, sneaking around and killing unprepared opponents. Its the class and playstyle that most resembles the single player elder scrolls game. If you nerf thoose 2 classdefining characteristics then you destroy the whole way of playing. Stamsorcs is played a certain way and stamplar is played a certain way because of thier unique classabillities. We want all classes to have their strenghts and weaknesses right? Or we can throw classes away which would totally suck and destroy the feeling of the game. Rant over.3
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »"As everybody knows" um... No. They are not over performing. For one the class that has the highest consensus on being OP is the Stam Warden. Also good stamblades go down quicker than good DKs, magsorcs, wardens, and Templars.
The counters for cloak are not only effective, they're incredibly numerous! Heck I have a potion that gives me immovable, detection and restores magicka that completely disables their defense mechanic, and I don't even need to slot an ability to do so.
Just because you're bad at killing stamblades doesn't mean they're over performing. It's just a learning curve for you. This spamming the same nerf thread over and over is you not taking personal responsibility for your inadequacy as a player and misplacing the blame on something else because that is easier for you to do than admit and address your own adequacy.
Almost any counter to NB is useless. Especially stamina NB. You use detect pods for NB sniping continuously from 35 M range. Good luck. NB is overpowered . Period. Its inadequacy of noob night blades not able to play other classes and always looks for overpowered cheese. Give mark target to mage guild. That is the perfect balance for NB.
Dont waste time here. No one is going to agree.
So its more of a skill problem and not a nightblade problem.
Yes its skill problem for NB noobs. Lets pros take NB and teach this noobs how overpowered NB is.
Tell how do you reveal nb sniping from 35 M away with mark target on. Are you a noob ?
NBs will get their own medicine. in PVP.
Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 16, 2018 3:08PM0